Originally Posted by Rocco1 (Post 1892887)

It's really not one individuals place to judge anothers beliefs, thoughts, ideas or whatever you care to title them. If we see an individual in bad need of help but we know that person was born in an underprivilaged home does that mean we should turn and walk away, leaving them to suffer? We couldn't do anything about this individual being underprivilaged but we could at least do our best to secure he/she a better future.

Originally Posted by Mom to Hot Rod (Post 1897091)

I was one of those who posted early on in this thread and I apologize to YT if I was out of line but I do not apologize for standing up to someone who just blantantly jumped on someone, a brand new poster at that, who asked a simple innocent question. I am relatively new to this site and I have seen some very surprising remarks and comments-both positive and not. I am glad that we are here for a common goal...education. That is what I hope to get out of this site. I think that we all have the same goal in mind...closing down puppy mills...how we get there is the issue. I agree that there is no one right way but we certainly cannot achieve anything if we don't work together.

I read another thread talking about the possible story that Oprah may be presenting today on her show about puppy mills and breeders. I would hope that with the hamburger lawsuit she went through she will present this story fairly.

Let's try and work together for what we all believe in (I hope) closing down the puppy mills. As I see it, the harsh reality is is that pet stores will never go out of business...they will go to mills or they will go to byb. With that being said, I think that we need to make aware the conditions of the mills to the public and then expose the stores that buy from them. If the public doesn't know where the animals come from, they will continue to buy. We, the animal loving community, need to stand together and not divided for this common goal

Again, I apologize to YT for handling myself in any manner that was not proper for the good of the site.

B

Originally Posted by blitz (Post 1897016)

The puppies will find homes. They will be discounted the longer the puppies are not bought and it will become less profitable for petstores to buy more puppies and less profitable for the millers and that IS the bottom line PROFIT. Unfortunately Yorkie puppies fly out of the petstores, making them extremely profitable and keeping the mamas pushing out the puppies heat after heat. Puppies are not treated poorly in petstores. They are fed and vetted and kept clean -- not so back at the mill!

To say it is your right to buy a mill puppy and you will do it again with full knowledge really is taking part in the misery of dogs. If that's ok with you, then I would say you are not an animal lover, but yes, it is certainly your right to be anything you want to be.

So watch Oprah today and imagine that one of those dog's is your doggie's mom. I can't see how you can love your dog and not feel something for its momma.

Originally Posted by blitz (Post 1897044)

You are missing the point. The point is that by helping the poor underprivilged individual you are insuring that the abuse back home will continue. You are supporting it financially. You are the backer, the supplier, if you like analogies.

The puppy is out of danger and in a much better place just by being in a petstore. Eventually, the pet stores will not be able to keep them and will sell them at a loss and they won't continue to be replaced if we don't buy them.

Originally Posted by blitz (Post 1897016)

The puppies will find homes. They will be discounted the longer the puppies are not bought and it will become less profitable for petstores to buy more puppies and less profitable for the millers and that IS the bottom line PROFIT. Unfortunately Yorkie puppies fly out of the petstores, making them extremely profitable and keeping the mamas pushing out the puppies heat after heat. Puppies are not treated poorly in petstores. They are fed and vetted and kept clean -- not so back at the mill!

To say it is your right to buy a mill puppy and you will do it again with full knowledge really is taking part in the misery of dogs. If that's ok with you, then I would say you are not an animal lover, but yes, it is certainly your right to be anything you want to be.

So watch Oprah today and imagine that one of those dog's is your doggie's mom. I can't see how you can love your dog and not feel something for its momma.

Originally Posted by linsvs (Post 1897032)

We are all animal lovers GEE !!!I really hate to be told by someone else how I feel and what I am or am not.

Originally Posted by Rocco1 (Post 1897273)

I am sorry you feel that way but pointing out information constructively and insisting everyone feels the same way you do and bashing them when they don't is totally different.

I have read this entire thread over and over again and I can't find where anyone bashed you or was rude to you because of how you feel about puppy mills. No one said you shouldn't feel the way you do but knowing when to agree to disagree without being childish is very important. Just because we may not always agree on the same issues doesn't make any of us bad people and it certainly should not come in the way of anyone enjoying this site.

Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 1896416)

For those that think that buying a puppy from a pet store is saving them and not keeping puppymills in business then I think you should watch Oprah tomorrow. Buying that pup you feel sorry for because he needs a home is only creating a vicious cycle. You've now shown the pet store they can make money and they in turn continue to buy from the millers who in turn now realize they can make money and so it goes. Let me ask you guys who think that's doing a good thing - what happens when you buy all these dogs that need saving. Do you not think they will be replaced with more dogs that need saving. If the pet stores realize that people don't want to support mills by buying and they stop buying it will put some of these places out of business. To continue to buy will only tell them they are making money and in turn they stay open and continue to sell to people who think the way you do and they will continue to buy to replenish they stock they sell. Yes, puppies to them are stock. And if you think I'm too harsh then maybe you should visit one of these places and see for yourself what these dogs endure day after day. And, Melanie you made comments about "Seeing my posts" as if you didn't like what I had to say. I find it interesting that you've only been a member for what a month and yet you seem know my posts. Wow is all I can say. A whole month and you know a lot. Wow.

As far as the original poster - she bought a pup from a pet store. Did she know better or was she just misinformed? I guess we really won't know because she was jumped on rather then educated and that's a shame because educating is the only way to fight places the mills.


Elaine (mom to four rescues - one of which was beaten by a miller and 4 yrs. later still suffers the effects)

Originally Posted by Brookef18 (Post 1896924)

Any one can look up all your posts and see what you have to say. No rocket science there....

As far as pet shops go, I understand what you are saying. And for the most part I agree with you. I went to a breeder the second time around because I didn't want to go back to the pet store and give them my money or chance a pup that could wind up sick. I learned from YT about pet stores.
How ever... Every one has the RIGHT to decide for them selves weather they are saving a pup or adding to the problem. IMO the answer is both at the same time. No one deserves to get jumped because of how they feel. Yell, scream, and kick your feet, you can not change how people feel nor should you try.
You seem very angry and have a huge chip on your shoulder... it is not your place to tell people how to FEEL or THINK. Educate them and then leave them to their own choices.
I'm not trying to be mean here, but when you get upset with people you will NEVER reach them, just drive them away... Like the OP.

Originally Posted by melanie daley (Post 1897295)

I'm sorry you are so angry. Your correct, I've only been on YT a month, thanks for noticing!!. I have been alive many more months than that. I have a right to my opinion and so does everyone here... I said what I needed to say to you yesterday, which I also have a right to do, and if you feel you STILL need to criticize me, take out PERSONAL attacks in posts, and go after other new members then by all means, carry on... I'm here so I can chat with others about the love we feel for our Yorkies, I don't really care to get nasty or carry out personal attacks on other members. I will not engage you in this thread again. I have the right to my opinion, as does every other fellow YT member, regardless if I have been here a month or 10 years, so cutting me down because i haven't been a member that long is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 1894799)

Melanie. I am educating. If you went down further and read what I posted regarding the original poster you would have seen that, I said "As far as the OP not coming back. I think that's a shame because it's one less person we can educate about Puppymills and Pet Stores. Ten years ago before I was educated I bought my first Yorkie from a BYB. I know better now. First reaction for some is to jump and scold best reaction is to educate for that will hopefully prevent."

As far as what you quoted me on that was directed to linsvs. She is quoted as saying tha she has TWO pups that she bought at petstores and that she can't honestly say she wouldn't buy from a pet store again and she further went on to state whose to say who is right and who is wrong. That to me seems like someone that does not care to be educated / someone that does not care about puppymills.

I am a firm believer on educating and not judging but when someone buys not one but two dogs knowing where these dogs come from then comes on here and says she can't say she wouldn't do it again and defends this by saying whose to say whose right and whose wronge. That tells me this person is in capable of being educated.

Elaine

Originally Posted by linsvs (Post 1891536)

I have trouble seeing the beautiful babies in pet stores and I know we shouldnt buy them BUT it is so hard to see there cute little faces behind glass. Also I am the second owner of both my babies, but both originally came from pet stores. Both are wonderful and healthy. If I were to go looking for another I would look for a private breeder BUT I cant honestly say if I saw one in a pet store that I wouldnt buy it. :) We all have our own opinions and whos to say whos right or wrong. Certainly not I !! :)

Originally Posted by MyPeanutAbbyGra (Post 1897530)

HELLO!

Originally Posted by Rocco1 (Post 1897174)

Not true..... I may be missing YOUR point but you don't have the right say that your point is the right one. I have not once said that I support puppy mills nor did I or will I ever purposely go searching for a puppy to buy from a pet store. I just happen to be one of those people that tend to have a soft spot for the underdog. I know that both moms and pups are suffering but you also have to wonder how much social damage is done to the poor pups that are left at the pet stores for months on end and then because they have been there so long they've probably lost out on the biggest chance of their life for social maturity and then end up sold to some "what a cute puppy" person that's going to become uninterested in that baby once the new wears off.

What if there were "baby mills" (human) and you as a mom at one these mills knew you were doomed to that life but would you not at least pray to God that your baby finds a good loving forever home even if it cost you your life? I mean yes that scenario is a little above and beyond but truthfully so are many of the post on here. It's true this is a huge discussion matter and I can't speak for anyone else but I for one do not appreciate being told how I should feel, what I should feel or when I should be ashamed of something. We are adults here not children.