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Missy's Mommy · 07-11-2005, 07:17 PM

I tried to hold off, but I couldnt resist and I checked out the website!

I feel so sick about what I saw, a puppy factory to say the least. Look at all those different breeds and all those cages! It's so sad to see someone mass producing puppies like that, I cant believe anyone would defend them and think that its the OK thing to do!

SoCalyorkiLvr · 07-11-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sylvan

It's hard to believe that anyone who likes dogs at all would think this is okay and defend it in anyway at all.

I am trying not to take offense to your reference because I am sure you meant none. Everyone on here and anyone who knows me personally knows that my love for dogs is genuine and almost pathologic.

This forum is a great one because everyone does their best to respect all views and opinions without getting overly judgmental and cruel. I am obviously outnumbered here and I respect that. I do not believe I am alientating anyone with my viewpoint, and if I do alienate someone then they were not truly listening to what I was saying.

txshopper73 · 07-11-2005, 07:23 PM

Kim, I don't think that you've alienated anyone here. You're just voicing your opinion which has caused some flavorable reactions!

Itspuppyluv · 07-11-2005, 07:38 PM

Kim, I honestly don't understand why you think it's okay for dogs to live their entire lives like this. I think of Gus as a beautiful gift that I am extremely lucky to have been given. It would break my heart to think of his parents living in that situation. Is that the thanks they get? A few others have put it perfectly...it's not good enough for our dogs, why is it good enough for those dogs? If someone on this site said they were sending their dog to a place like this we would be outraged and falling over each other to save it. To me it just looks like a prison - maybe cleaner then some - but still a prison. Prisoners are allowed to go outside and socialize with other inmates but they still would rather be anywhere else. I don't mean to offend you and you have every right to your own opinion but I just don't get it.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 07-11-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LvMyYorki

All you are doing by trying to defend this operation is alienating people on the forum... can't you understand why? Not one single person has agreed with anything you have posted on this subject. No one that truly loves their dog will either.

Thanks Kimberley!

You always make me feel better. I was responding to what Tara posted above. I didn't really think it was the case but felt the need to respond. (I know...it's a problem I need to work on...responding or reacting that is...I AM trying...really I am!!!!)

iloveYorkiesFL · 07-11-2005, 07:43 PM

I rarely post, but i had to put my 2 cents in! I am sick of people defending puppymills, clean or not. He's making a lot of money off these "hybrid" dogs (YES, the same MUTTS you can find at your local pound), plain and simple!

LvMyYorki · 07-11-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iloveYorkiesFL

I rarely post, but i had to put my 2 cents in! I am sick of people defending puppymills, clean or not. He's making a lot of money off these "hybrid" dogs (YES, the same MUTTS you can find at your local pound), plain and simple!

Natasha- You pretty much summed it up! I'm sick of people defending these places too. Luckily for us, it only looks like there is ONE person here that thinks this is an fine way to treat these animals. I can't understand it, but honestly I don't even want to be able to think in such a way that my brain would or could rationalize such a thing!

typerk · 07-11-2005, 07:56 PM

Call me stupid or whatever but I kinda agree with SoCal. Just because an operation is large doesn't make it bad. We have seen puppy mills and they don't have half the professionalism this place seems to have. I love my dog and hate puppy mills like the rest of you but just because a bunch of emotional people call something a puppymill doesn't make it so.

What is so special about the breeders we got our dogs from? Just because they weren't large scale doesn't make the dogs any healthier than these dogs. I don't want to bring on any new emotion but it seems that some of you simply don't respect another's opinion.

Just because Wal-Mart is the biggest corporation in America doesn't mean the stock boys should make 120k a year.

natalie · 07-11-2005, 07:56 PM

A clean puppymill, a decent puppymill, an "allright" puppymill, the best puppymill on this planet, a loving puppymill or just a plain puppymill.. at the end of the day, this place is still a puppymill regardless of how good they think they are at the filthy business.

It's easy for someone to add adjectives to any title of their company or any description to make their business sound better. Who doesn't do that? That's great marketing. Do you know how many "Best Restaurant in Town"s there are this city or how many "Voted #1 in the metroplex". Words are just that-- words. Anyone can use them and anyone can twist them to make themselves look better.

What I am surprised at is the pictures. I do not want my dog to be living on a dirt floor in the heat. I do not care if there is one person watching over them or 100 people watching over them. The point remains as solid as rock-- they are laying on dirt floors. For the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they were just out there during the day to play and then brought in to sleep. Even then, I will say.. I do not want my dogs playing on dirt floors. I do not want them in cages and I do not want my male stuck in a cage all day with 5 females in hopes that he will mate with atleast one of them. That's ridiculous.

I do not care if he can answer his FAQ's with the best answers ever heard by mankind because he is only answering them with mere sentences. Who is to believe him? Horrible breeders scheming people out of money also have the ability to make themselves look like the gentle giant, don't they? They try to persuade you that they are a one-of-a-kind breeder when after the transaction, they may be the most horrible person you have ever met or will ever meet in your entire life.

I cannot begin to fathom someone trying to defend puppymills. I do understand opinions and I respect everyone's opinion. I'm just shocked because those pictures are so blunt and straight-forward. A loving person will not own that large of an amount of dogs and breeds. A loving person definately would not leave them in the heat or laying on dirt floors. They're breeding "All-American" (mutts) dogs and selling them as "designer dogs". They have, pretty much, a field full of cages.

Those dogs are just gathering at that fence looking at the photographer as if they wanted that person to take pictures to put down the camera and carry them instead.

I guess my point is.. a puppymill by any other name will still be a puppymill.

And just as you have the right to say that it may not be a puppymill, we have the right to say that it may be. Honestly, noone will ever know unless you step foot on that property yourself. But to me, in my opinion, those pictures are pretty clear. Even if it were not a puppymill, what type of owner would leave all of those dogs outside in those horrible metal cages on dirt ground.

Breeze · 07-11-2005, 08:03 PM

Natalie, awesome post!

LvMyYorki · 07-11-2005, 08:03 PM

Natalie- Well said! I try to respect others opinions too, but this is where I draw the line. I don't respect anyone that thinks these are humane conditions to treat a dog! ITS A PUPPYMILL!!! Bottom Line!

red98vett · 07-11-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

There are members here who crate their dogs all day long while they are at work and the dogs are all alone with no companion at all and no exercise. The cages pictured in this kennel are large with outdoor yards and other dogs for company. I would not judge either situation negatively.

I'm in awe of THIS post also. There is absolutely no comparison to a dog in his own crate in his OWN home...to living in cages with minimal food and water among a thousand crying dogs.

There is just NO comparison...I can't even believe I just read that.

Anyone who crates their dogs may be very offended you are comparing them to a Mill enviornment. People who crate their dogs do it for safety or training reasons...their dogs are let out of the crate after short times and receive attention and love...they are part of the family.

THESE Mill dogs are never free and will NEVER feel love unless they're taken from that hell hole and sold to the Pet Store - where they sit more in a cage.. and IF they're lucky and not dying of something - they find a nice home.

Do you think they ever get Toys in there ? Do they ever just have peace ? No. They don't. There's no such thing as basking in the sun for these animals - every day is a fight for survival and I think dying is an escape for many - no more suffering.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 07-11-2005, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Itspuppyluv

Kim, I honestly don't understand why you think it's okay for dogs to live their entire lives like this.

None of the dogs live there for their whole lives. The puppies get sold within a few months of birth and go live with owners just like our dogs all did and the breeders breed for a few years and then are adopted out to loving homes to live the pampered lives of pets just as the breeding dogs of most other breeders. He states this on his site.

iloveYorkiesFL · 07-11-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by typerk

What is so special about the breeders we got our dogs from? Just because they weren't large scale doesn't make the dogs any healthier than these dogs. I don't want to bring on any new emotion but it seems that some of you simply don't respect another's opinion.

Just because Wal-Mart is the biggest corporation in America doesn't mean the stock boys should make 120k a year.

This isn't a question of demand. There will always be idiots who purchase from a puppymill. Whether it be lack of knowledge or trying to save a couple of dollars... Just because a business is profitble doesn't make it OK...ie. Diamonds, and children in africa!

txshopper73 · 07-11-2005, 08:07 PM

"Do you think they ever get Toys in there ? Do they ever just have peace ?"

Bet they don't get Bull Wrinkles, too!

Sorry guys, just thought I would throw that in!

07-11-2005, 07:17 PM	#61
Missy's Mommy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 1,042	I tried to hold off, but I couldnt resist and I checked out the website! I feel so sick about what I saw, a puppy factory to say the least. Look at all those different breeds and all those cages! It's so sad to see someone mass producing puppies like that, I cant believe anyone would defend them and think that its the OK thing to do! __________________ Jennette Missy & Max

07-11-2005, 07:23 PM	#63
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	Kim, I don't think that you've alienated anyone here. You're just voicing your opinion which has caused some flavorable reactions! __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

07-11-2005, 07:38 PM	#64
Itspuppyluv Gus Is The Fuss Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,277	Kim, I honestly don't understand why you think it's okay for dogs to live their entire lives like this. I think of Gus as a beautiful gift that I am extremely lucky to have been given. It would break my heart to think of his parents living in that situation. Is that the thanks they get? A few others have put it perfectly...it's not good enough for our dogs, why is it good enough for those dogs? If someone on this site said they were sending their dog to a place like this we would be outraged and falling over each other to save it. To me it just looks like a prison - maybe cleaner then some - but still a prison. Prisoners are allowed to go outside and socialize with other inmates but they still would rather be anywhere else. I don't mean to offend you and you have every right to your own opinion but I just don't get it. __________________ Erin & Gus Gus You lost me at stay! "He is a good heart and a kind soul, and an angel on four feet." MW

07-11-2005, 07:43 PM	#66
iloveYorkiesFL YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hot & Sunny Florida Posts: 406 Blog Entries: 1	Common Sense Please! I rarely post, but i had to put my 2 cents in! I am sick of people defending puppymills, clean or not. He's making a lot of money off these "hybrid" dogs (YES, the same MUTTS you can find at your local pound), plain and simple! __________________ Natasha Breeding is a privilege NOT a right!

07-11-2005, 07:56 PM	#68
typerk YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Irving, TX Posts: 252	Call me stupid or whatever but I kinda agree with SoCal. Just because an operation is large doesn't make it bad. We have seen puppy mills and they don't have half the professionalism this place seems to have. I love my dog and hate puppy mills like the rest of you but just because a bunch of emotional people call something a puppymill doesn't make it so. What is so special about the breeders we got our dogs from? Just because they weren't large scale doesn't make the dogs any healthier than these dogs. I don't want to bring on any new emotion but it seems that some of you simply don't respect another's opinion. Just because Wal-Mart is the biggest corporation in America doesn't mean the stock boys should make 120k a year. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/?156534.

07-11-2005, 07:56 PM	#69
natalie Owned by Fred Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,352	A clean puppymill, a decent puppymill, an "allright" puppymill, the best puppymill on this planet, a loving puppymill or just a plain puppymill.. at the end of the day, this place is still a puppymill regardless of how good they think they are at the filthy business. It's easy for someone to add adjectives to any title of their company or any description to make their business sound better. Who doesn't do that? That's great marketing. Do you know how many "Best Restaurant in Town"s there are this city or how many "Voted #1 in the metroplex". Words are just that-- words. Anyone can use them and anyone can twist them to make themselves look better. What I am surprised at is the pictures. I do not want my dog to be living on a dirt floor in the heat. I do not care if there is one person watching over them or 100 people watching over them. The point remains as solid as rock-- they are laying on dirt floors. For the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they were just out there during the day to play and then brought in to sleep. Even then, I will say.. I do not want my dogs playing on dirt floors. I do not want them in cages and I do not want my male stuck in a cage all day with 5 females in hopes that he will mate with atleast one of them. That's ridiculous. I do not care if he can answer his FAQ's with the best answers ever heard by mankind because he is only answering them with mere sentences. Who is to believe him? Horrible breeders scheming people out of money also have the ability to make themselves look like the gentle giant, don't they? They try to persuade you that they are a one-of-a-kind breeder when after the transaction, they may be the most horrible person you have ever met or will ever meet in your entire life. I cannot begin to fathom someone trying to defend puppymills. I do understand opinions and I respect everyone's opinion. I'm just shocked because those pictures are so blunt and straight-forward. A loving person will not own that large of an amount of dogs and breeds. A loving person definately would not leave them in the heat or laying on dirt floors. They're breeding "All-American" (mutts) dogs and selling them as "designer dogs". They have, pretty much, a field full of cages. Those dogs are just gathering at that fence looking at the photographer as if they wanted that person to take pictures to put down the camera and carry them instead. I guess my point is.. a puppymill by any other name will still be a puppymill. And just as you have the right to say that it may not be a puppymill, we have the right to say that it may be. Honestly, noone will ever know unless you step foot on that property yourself. But to me, in my opinion, those pictures are pretty clear. Even if it were not a puppymill, what type of owner would leave all of those dogs outside in those horrible metal cages on dirt ground. Last edited by natalie; 07-11-2005 at 08:00 PM.

07-11-2005, 08:03 PM	#70
Breeze Puppy Luv Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,678	Natalie, awesome post!

07-11-2005, 08:03 PM	#71
LvMyYorki Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 1,181	Natalie- Well said! I try to respect others opinions too, but this is where I draw the line. I don't respect anyone that thinks these are humane conditions to treat a dog! ITS A PUPPYMILL!!! Bottom Line! __________________ Tara, Tino & Diva Bunny Diva Bunny: http://www.dogster.com/?141104 Rudolph Valentino: http://www.dogster.com/?76963 Last edited by Junebug; 07-11-2005 at 08:33 PM.

07-11-2005, 08:07 PM	#75
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	"Do you think they ever get Toys in there ? Do they ever just have peace ?" Bet they don't get Bull Wrinkles, too! Sorry guys, just thought I would throw that in! __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley Last edited by txshopper73; 07-11-2005 at 08:10 PM.