we know the maltese was used in creating the Yorkshire Terrior..it's how they got the long silky coat as opposed to a shorter coarser coat of the terriers used to make a yorkie. Yorkies and Maltese look a whole lot alike as a whole. But a maltese doesn't carry a parti gene. The controversy over parti yorkies is whether or not they are purebred yorkies or if a parti-colored breed such as a shihtzu was introduced way back in a line. A Biewer may or may not have been produced from two purebred yorkshire terriers...my thoughts are there was a parti-colored breed somewhere back in the lines..but no one really knows. Like I said, I'd love for a geneticist to solve the issue once and for all.

I do know the Biewer breed has been determined to be genetically different from the Yorkshire Terrier breed and has been accepted in the ARBA

Biewers have already been accepted as a breed in many countries as well as Canada and America. So ARBA is only the newest venue. As far as the new genetic test.....? What Science have you based your statement on? Real science and genetics or hearsay? The "what's your dog" or the "mixed breed heredity tests" only can go as far as 3 generations. Does not do coat color, genetic diseases, coat length, color patterns etc. So a Parti Yorkie, Biewer or regular Yorkie tests the same at this point in those tests. Don't be fooled into giving your money for a test that says...yup, Yorkie.

Parti Yorkies have coloration randomly. Biewers have an established pattern and strict standard.

Perhaps this should be moved to a new thread? I love discussing the breeds....BTW I still have my heart tied to Yorkies and can't live without them.:love: :love: :love:

yorkies are the best
 

Personnaly I Prefere The Traditionnal Look Yorkie, Because Of The Espectacular Colors : Gold And Silver, Blonde And Tan. They Are So Unique, If I Want A White Dog, I Will Choose A Maltese. Please No Offense Because I Like All The Small Dogs And The Biewer Is Also Beautiful.
:)

This is where I got my info about Biewers and Yorkies being Genetically differerent:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=111414

The more I look at Biewers, the more I am liking them. I think I'll definitely have to get one one day. Maybe by then, they'll be an AKC registered breed.

Hi Carolyn,

We probably could start a new thread....

The MARS test has established Biewers as a separate breed from the Yorkie.
Thus, it could be accepted into ARBA. Three show clubs/venues/ organizations lead the way into AKC and ARBA is one of them. The other two are UKC and FSS. The Biewer Terrier Club of America (BTCA) is serious about testing and discovering the heritage of the Biewers.

I don't prefer one over the other really. There are some yorkies that I would choose over a Biewer and vice versa.

My thoughts about the overall look...

I have a Biewer. If I was able to change the colors in Gus' pictures I doubt anyone here would ever guess he wasn't a yorkie and I know other Biewer owners that have said the same about their own. In the real world, the white sometimes confuses people but I've never had anyone mistake him for a Maltese. I've heard, "I thought he was a yorkie but wasn't sure because of the white" so many times I've lost count.

There is even a breeder here that has a yorkie in her avatar that looks so much like Gus to me it's amazing.

If you were to compare the standards you would see the Yorkie and Biewer are described almost the same. The general appearance, size and shape of the skulls, eyes, and ears, the set of the ears, the length of the muzzle, the body, (other than the color) the coat, and so on. There is very little difference between the two standards, so if bred correctly, they should look alike.

Wait until you see more of them in person and I think you'll change your mind about the look.
Just my two cents. :)

With the color obviously he wouldn't be mistaken for a Maltese.
I meant even part Maltese.

they are both cuties:D

I know people look at my biewer funny(as do I), the thing is his ears are down, and maybe if they were up, he would look more biewer, but, I know a lot of people say, he's got maltese in him, or it looks like he has maltese in him.

I remember when you posted his picture asking if you thought he was possibly a mix. While I thought he was adorable, I did think he might be. He is the first Biewer I've seen with ears down like a Maltese. He is not quite what Biewers usually look like so I agree he might look different if his ears were up but with them down he does resemble a Maltese.

Yorkies but I sure do love Biewer :D

LOL I keep telling myself, well, to me yorkies with their ears down look completely different too..but, i still think I got ripped off on mine, and the breeder I got him from, never responded when I mentioned if I had a dna testing done, I may be contacting her...LOL

I personally prefer the Yorkie 100%. I wanted one over a decade before I got her. They're so feminine and pretty. Biewers look(to me) like a large fluffy mix dog. If I didn't know from reading YT and saw one, I'd assume it was just a mixed breed dog. For some reason they always seem so much larger too(maybe their hair if fluffier?)

Now on the other hand, I think chocolate yorkies are adorable. To each their own :)

I know what you mean about big and fluffy. However, a well bred Biewer has the same "type" as a well bred Yorkie....go back and look at the pictures I posted of Honey on this thread. Does she look like a mixed breed with big bones and fluffy coat? Tell me what you think. She weights 4 lb. She has a refined body like a Yorkie and good silk going on (admittedly, she is young and I'm still trimming puppy fuzz off the ends little by little) I just think that like with Yorkies, there are some really fine examples and then there are some that don't even look much like Yorkies, but we love em anyway.

Right now, I could not choose Biewer over Yorkie or vice versa...I have the best of both worlds IMO and lovin' each moment.

Well anyone can choose to believe what they want about the MARS test. 40 Biewers have been tested and they can and do go back further than 3 generations. As far as: Does not do coat color, genetic diseases, coat length, color patterns etc.... have you found a source that provides this information??? I know every one reading this is curious.