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laurabelle 06-02-2007 10:57 AM

We're going to have to get rid of her
 
If something doesn't change. I really think she is un-potty-trainable. I donno what else to do with her. I know I've bitched about this several times on here and gotten such good advice and nothing has helped. She is 6 months old now and we've had her for 4 months and it's just not working. Sure, she goes potty every time we go outside, but she'll run back inside and then 5 minutes later piss right in front of your face. She's gotten better at holding it but she still does not let us know when she needs to go, and so we will sometimes miss it and then that doesn't help, because if it's my fault I feel like I can't get mad at her for it. We've tried treats when she goes outside, punishment, ignoring it and just working on praising her when she does it right, confinement, everything. It does no good at all to crate her because she pees in her crate. She'll pee in her crate, sleep in it, get up in the morning, potty outside, come inside, and potty right in front of you. She has no shame. The only thing she tries to hide is if she poops in the house.

I'm losing it. My fiance and I are fighting over her, he wants her gone and I don't want to get rid of her. But neither of us are okay with our house smelling like s**t. I am not going to let this 5 pound dog destroy my house or my relationships! I am at my rope's end.

Little Bit 06-02-2007 10:59 AM

Oh, no! I am sorry you are having such problems! I wish I could tell you what to do, but it sounds like you have already tried most everything. Are you home during the day? It sounds like she needs constant supervision and tethering to you. Of course that would really be time intensive. Has she been checked for a UTI?

kjk723 06-02-2007 11:00 AM

It is very hard to train them. I have heard but i dont know for certain if it is true that your little dogs are not ever going to be potty trained until 1 year old. I have an 8 month old and she still have accidents. My boyfriend gets upse. Make sure you get a very strict schedule going. Crates work great. Hopefully this helps. I KNOW it is frustrating.

Lorraine 06-02-2007 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by laurabelle (Post 1156184)
If something doesn't change. I really think she is un-potty-trainable. I donno what else to do with her. I know I've bitched about this several times on here and gotten such good advice and nothing has helped. She is 6 months old now and we've had her for 4 months and it's just not working. Sure, she goes potty every time we go outside, but she'll run back inside and then 5 minutes later piss right in front of your face. She's gotten better at holding it but she still does not let us know when she needs to go, and so we will sometimes miss it and then that doesn't help, because if it's my fault I feel like I can't get mad at her for it. We've tried treats when she goes outside, punishment, ignoring it and just working on praising her when she does it right, confinement, everything. It does no good at all to crate her because she pees in her crate. She'll pee in her crate, sleep in it, get up in the morning, potty outside, come inside, and potty right in front of you. She has no shame. The only thing she tries to hide is if she poops in the house.

I'm losing it. My fiance and I are fighting over her, he wants her gone and I don't want to get rid of her. But neither of us are okay with our house smelling like s**t. I am not going to let this 5 pound dog destroy my house or my relationships! I am at my rope's end.

My advice is to rehome her, there are many people looking for a nice Yorkie pup. The breed is the wrong one for you. Anytime, I am interviewing someone for one of my dogs or puppies, I make it very clear housebreaking is a BIG issue in Yorkies and really most other toy breeds. It very well could take to a year of age or more for her to be housebroken. Most of the time they are never really that trustworthy in housebreaking or chewing things up for that matter.
If you are that wound up about it, you are likely contributing to the problem and making her a nervouse wreck.
If you are engaged, you and your fiance will have to be in agreement about the dog as it takes both of you to cope with her. If you will marry and have children the problem will become worse. Many couples find themselves in way over their head with a yorkie and starting family.
This is not an easy breed to own.

kjk723 06-02-2007 11:08 AM

If you are engaged, you and your fiance will have to be in agreement about the dog as it takes both of you to cope with her. If you will marry and have children the problem will become worse. Many couples find themselves in way over their head with a yorkie and starting family.
This is not an easy breed to own.[/QUOTE]

I agree.. My boyfriend and I are CONSTANTLY fighting over GiGi. He is never home. So the responsibilty is all mine. I DONT mind but he has to take her out when he gets home from work and he still throws a fit. I tried to explain to him how much Gigi does for me and how much she means to me and he is slowly getting it but I also know that he will leave before she does!!!!

yougetthesmiles 06-02-2007 11:34 AM

It sounds like she needs to be crated unless she is outside. I think a good week or so of being crated when she is in the house and only time she is allowed out of the crate is when she is outside or if your holding her.

browniesmom622 06-02-2007 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 1156210)
My advice is to rehome her, there are many people looking for a nice Yorkie pup. The breed is the wrong one for you. Anytime, I am interviewing someone for one of my dogs or puppies, I make it very clear housebreaking is a BIG issue in Yorkies and really most other toy breeds. It very well could take to a year of age or more for her to be housebroken. Most of the time they are never really that trustworthy in housebreaking or chewing things up for that matter.
If you are that wound up about it, you are likely contributing to the problem and making her a nervouse wreck.
If you are engaged, you and your fiance will have to be in agreement about the dog as it takes both of you to cope with her. If you will marry and have children the problem will become worse. Many couples find themselves in way over their head with a yorkie and starting family.
This is not an easy breed to own.


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laurabelle 06-02-2007 11:47 AM

I knew she was going to be hard to train, I'd heard that a zillion times. I just didn't expect her to be this hard I guess. I donno. I love her and am willing to wait it out and keep trying but I have way more patience than my fiance does. He said we'll have to get through the wedding at the end of the month and see how much money we have and see about putting her in a potty training class or something. I donno. I'm not ready to get rid of her yet, she makes me so happy other than this. She is the perfect dog other than housebreaking. I'm just so frustrated.

Diego 06-02-2007 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 1156210)
My advice is to rehome her, there are many people looking for a nice Yorkie pup. The breed is the wrong one for you. Anytime, I am interviewing someone for one of my dogs or puppies, I make it very clear housebreaking is a BIG issue in Yorkies and really most other toy breeds. It very well could take to a year of age or more for her to be housebroken. Most of the time they are never really that trustworthy in housebreaking or chewing things up for that matter.
If you are that wound up about it, you are likely contributing to the problem and making her a nervouse wreck.
If you are engaged, you and your fiance will have to be in agreement about the dog as it takes both of you to cope with her. If you will marry and have children the problem will become worse. Many couples find themselves in way over their head with a yorkie and starting family.
This is not an easy breed to own.

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olgap 06-02-2007 12:25 PM

It's true - only time and consistancy will help. And also patience! Chico is just now housebroken and he's a year and a half old! Little 9 month old Bitsy caught on sooner because we're being more consistant with Chico - but I still keep a close eye on them. I was also very frustrated because my house smelled like dog pee, so I know how you feel. We took out the worst of the carpeting, kept steam cleaning the rest and just kept working with them. And I did my very best to not get mad at them because that does not help!

So it will get better if agree to keep your puppy and work together. Or you should both decide agree to re-home her and take the pressure off your relationship. And please don't feel guilty if that's your decision - it could be the best thing for all of you at this time in your life.

Tatiana11 06-02-2007 12:30 PM

maybe try doing pee pads or liter box?

wemple2 06-02-2007 12:43 PM

This is such a rough decision...It was very hard to train my first yorkie, my husband and I were much younger, no experience at all, both working all day and went away at night a lot. That was our fault, he couldn't train himself. It took a lot of love, patience, persistence and confinement...but he did finally get it...a lot later. I really think my second yorkie, Winston was amazing, I expected the absolute worse and got the absolute best. He was the easiest to train. I have no miracle cures for you, I think it all has to do with the very first day you bring them home...Take them outside first...make sure they know where they're suppose to potty. Praise. Crate, when you're not actually holding them. Persistence, schedules ARE important. Outside before his paws hit the, oh so inviting carpet...Patience, you have to show them who's the boss. And lastly LOVE. Good Luck to you and your fiance, make the right decision for both of you.

Lorraine 06-02-2007 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by yougetthesmiles (Post 1156269)
It sounds like she needs to be crated unless she is outside. I think a good week or so of being crated when she is in the house and only time she is allowed out of the crate is when she is outside or if your holding her.

It doesn't work. She'll end up pottying in the crate, even worse at not caring where she goes when she decides to go. You can't keep them crated that much. They'll be miserable, beyond stressed, likely end up sick, and scream her head off all at once. Trust me I know Yorkies.
My suggestion still stands, rehome or be prepared for at minimum another six months of what you are going through now.
YOu have to be very careful with what you are doing. Yorkies in particular can be very difficult. If it isn't handled right you run a high risk of a neurotic and/or aggressive dog that ends up being surrendered or put down.
That's why my screening process in person BEFORE any sale is ever done is so stringent. And the dog comes back to me if there is any problem at any time regardless of the age of the dog.

Booboo'smommy 06-02-2007 01:04 PM

Hi there

I completely agree, this might be the wrong breed for you. My 2 babies have been 80% potty trained and they are now almost 6 months old. I have had them science they were 8 weeks old. They still make mistakes in the house but that will NEVER distroy my relationship. I could never say that I want to get rid of my babies b/c it take a lot longer than expected to potty train them. Never. No ofence, but yes I think you should rehome your baby as this stress that you are living in will make her very nervous, and her confidence will go down. She will never be a happy puppy in the situation she is in now.You have to do what's best for you and for her.

Maria

jvwheeler 06-02-2007 01:58 PM

For a few days, we kept Gin on a leash in the house. With us. I don't know if we were training her, or training us. But we would take her out on a recurring basis, and if she started to have an acident, we were able to stop her midstream (pun intended) and take her outside. But even that didn't complete resolve everything. Because we weren't taking her out when she wanted to go out. The doggie door is the thing that finally did the trick. In the two months we have had the door, no accidents. My husband and I are both much happier now. As, I am sure, is Gin.

veguroev 06-02-2007 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Booboo'smommy (Post 1156386)
Hi there

I completely agree, this might be the wrong breed for you. My 2 babies have been 80% potty trained and they are now almost 6 months old. I have had them science they were 8 weeks old. They still make mistakes in the house but that will NEVER distroy my relationship. I could never say that I want to get rid of my babies b/c it take a lot longer than expected to potty train them. Never. No ofence, but yes I think you should rehome your baby as this stress that you are living in will make her very nervous, and her confidence will go down. She will never be a happy puppy in the situation she is in now.You have to do what's best for you and for her.

Maria

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PANAMA69 06-02-2007 03:35 PM

Try to use a play pen cover it with pee-pad when she is at home, and slowly remove the pads one by one if you see her go in the pee-pad make a big deal of it, when she is out keep the eagel eyes on her and only but only when you cought her in the action say a firm no, because if not they don't know why my mommy is mad at me, or maybe buy some panties they are now on sale at go.fetch,to prevent her from accidents remember to clean the spot with a pet cleaner to remove the odors other home regular cleaner don't work as great and the dog is going to comeback and do it again, sometime cleaning the carpet completly helps a lot, don't give up on your baby yet she is just a pup, and for you boyfriend if small things like this set him off what he is going to do when big problems come your way, patient is a virtue!! my girl is one year old and 100% potty train:thumbup: :thumbup: :love-hug3 hugs for you my dear:aimeeyork

laurabelle 06-02-2007 03:40 PM

When I wrote the OP, I was upset because my fiance had gotten irritated at me because she'd ran off downstairs and pottied and I'd forgotten to clean it up. That was my fault too.

I love my dog. I took her out of a s**tty house, a place that wanted $350 for her and didn't even know she had a huge hernia. I would not hang onto her if I thought that my house was a bad place for her. I have always loved yorkies, and always wanted one, and I thought I knew what I was getting into when I got her, as far as housebreaking goes.

She doesn't really chew things. We have a child, they are good together. As soon as I wrote this post, I sat down in the chair and Sasha came up to me with big old googly eyes and curled up for a nap on my lap. If I'm crying, she comes running. She can be on the other end of the house and I can whisper "sasha" and she flies down the hall towards me.

She is a good girl. I'm okay with toughing it out. I'm just frustrated, and venting, because I don't want my house to stink and I don't know what else to do. I'm not getting rid of her yet. So any other advice is more than welcome, but mainly I'm just venting.

wemple2 06-02-2007 03:58 PM

Vent all you'd like, we'll listen...We've all had problems of some kind or other with our babies, not all potty training problems, but still...I stressed that it is so worth it, because I feel it is, the love and companionship is overwhelming that these little ones give. But that doesn't mean they are perfect, a little problem here...a little problem there...it'll all work out in time. Give it a little bit more...and give Sasha plenty of love.

Donna Jean 06-02-2007 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Booboo'smommy (Post 1156386)
Hi there

I completely agree, this might be the wrong breed for you. My 2 babies have been 80% potty trained and they are now almost 6 months old. I have had them science they were 8 weeks old. They still make mistakes in the house but that will NEVER distroy my relationship. I could never say that I want to get rid of my babies b/c it take a lot longer than expected to potty train them. Never. No ofence, but yes I think you should rehome your baby as this stress that you are living in will make her very nervous, and her confidence will go down. She will never be a happy puppy in the situation she is in now.You have to do what's best for you and for her.

Maria

I agree, she is the wrong breed for you!!!! Most people love their yorkies so much they can handle a mistake, this breed is the most difficult to house train, and most people who own them, do not have a fit if the baby makes some mistakes, you need to be dogless!!!! You are too young to be comitted to the training it takes to get your yorkie to please you.
I feel so bad for your poor yorkie! She must be a nervous wrek, and doesn't know what to do to please you, you have not been consistant, try this, try that, i think you need to be trained on how to train your yorkie, than learn to train your dog! Better yet, please get a great home for her with calm older people who have the paitence to work with her. They can not hold their bladders till 6 mos. old, and they have to work at holding their bladders, you are expecting a lot from a tiny yorkie baby! You do not love her enough to teach her. She will be much better off with a more mature adult!

Mybabyboymax 06-02-2007 04:04 PM

hi,I can understand where you are coming from. I had adopted a little girl from a rescue smelled horrible when I went to see her. I figured she needed a bath and that would fix her smell...wrong. I had her 3 weeks and she would pee and poo EVERYWHERE. i would walk her she wouldnt pee or poop as soon as we came in she would do her business ANYWHERE. oh and she still had that bad smell. i was taking her a bath everyday that is how bad it was. i tried the crate...she would use the bathroom in there and lay in it. it was so bad too the point where i was disgusted in my own home. I had to give her back to the lady I got her from. come to find out that its been about 3 months shes now 7 months and is still not anywhere near potty trained. I have a little boy now and he came to me already pee pad trained he was 14 weeks old and had it down already. its different with all puppies.

PANAMA69 06-02-2007 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wemple2 (Post 1156605)
Vent all you'd like, we'll listen...We've all had problems of some kind or other with our babies, not all potty training problems, but still...I stressed that it is so worth it, because I feel it is, the love and companionship is overwhelming that these little ones give. But that doesn't mean they are perfect, a little problem here...a little problem there...it'll all work out in time. Give it a little bit more...and give Sasha plenty of love.

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mistyinca 06-02-2007 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by laurabelle (Post 1156184)
If something doesn't change. I really think she is un-potty-trainable. I donno what else to do with her. I know I've bitched about this several times on here and gotten such good advice and nothing has helped. She is 6 months old now and we've had her for 4 months and it's just not working. Sure, she goes potty every time we go outside, but she'll run back inside and then 5 minutes later piss right in front of your face. She's gotten better at holding it but she still does not let us know when she needs to go, and so we will sometimes miss it and then that doesn't help, because if it's my fault I feel like I can't get mad at her for it. We've tried treats when she goes outside, punishment, ignoring it and just working on praising her when she does it right, confinement, everything. It does no good at all to crate her because she pees in her crate. She'll pee in her crate, sleep in it, get up in the morning, potty outside, come inside, and potty right in front of you. She has no shame. The only thing she tries to hide is if she poops in the house.

I'm losing it. My fiance and I are fighting over her, he wants her gone and I don't want to get rid of her. But neither of us are okay with our house smelling like s**t. I am not going to let this 5 pound dog destroy my house or my relationships! I am at my rope's end.

I can spot a few things going wrong just from your post alone...

First, If your house is "smelling like s**t" that is a big problem right there. You need to erase the poop and pee when it happens, or it is a marker telling your dog that that is the place to potty. Get yourself some neutralizer. Petsmart sells one called "Nature's miracle". Follow the directions and immediately clean up the mistake.

Second, if you take her outside, are you standing with her and watching to see if she goes? If no, put her on a leash. STand out there and say "go pee pee" and you wait until it happens. If yes, then make her do it a second time.

Third, you say she comes right in and pees right in front of you. If the second thing I pointed out doesn't take care of it. You startle her while she's peeing. Your purpose is NOT--I repeat--NOT to stop that instance of peeing from hitting your floor (too late for that at that moment) but it is to tell her that what she is doing right there is WRONG. So clap at her or rattle a can or shout "NO!" when she pees right in front of you; IMMEDIATELY take her outside, put her on the grass (on the leash) and tell her go pee pee. Don't let her come back in until she does it. Then praise. At this point, if she pees outside, forget the bad that happened in the house. Praise praise praise that she peed outside--even if some pee happened in the house. And clean up and neutralize the pee that happened.

Fourth. Never let her be out of your sight. Put her in the crate when you can't be watching her--with CLEAN bedding all the time. Don't let her get comfortable if peeing in her crate is a problem. Keep it clean so she begins to prefer it clean. Dogs by nature do not like to sleep or eat where the potty.

Finally, start scheduling potty breaks. If every two hours isn't keeping potty off the floor, go every hour. It will get better eventually, but you have to be consistent, and you have to be on it.

cocoa 06-02-2007 04:37 PM

I totally understand.. for a time I really thought Jazz enjoyed going in the house. Once I was able to be home with him all day I basically had to teach how to tell me he had to potty even now he wont bark at the door, he just sits and look out. I had to lift him up and scratch his little paw at the door, I be darned it worked!!! Every time I moved I would walk to the front door and say "go potty" he gets so excited and out we go out. If my schedule had stayed the same we wouldn't have made it this far. I think having him neutered also helped. I am so sorry for your frustration but I totally understand, I hated the pee pee smell also. Every pet is different and it takes time to find what works for you.

Doodlebug 06-02-2007 04:45 PM

It is ok to vent here, a lot of us have been through the frustration of potty training. I hope you can hang in there and see her through this phase. As you know, it will be well worth it in the end.

Cati 06-02-2007 05:31 PM

I spent 2 years working in a veterinary hospital...your problem is very common and one I experienced myself with my yorkie. "Furgi" was not fully housetrained until about 10 months and we still have problems with her occaisionally when she is out of her household. If she is going in her crate either she became accustomed to lying in her waste as a puppy at her breeder or she has a behavioral problem. I assume that her crate is not too larger for her (just big enough for her to turn around in) and I also assume that she is being let out VERY often to use the bathroom. Furgi was a big challenge for our first dog and we resorted to making sure she had the opportunity to use the potty every hour. What we finally found worked best was leaving her in our smallest bathroom with every inch of the floor covered with things toys, food, blankets, ect. with the only blank available space for her to use being her potty pad. It's hard but you need to avoid showing your frustration to the dog as much as possible and when you catch her in a mistake calmly place her on the potty pad or put her outdoors. Good luck

laurabelle 06-02-2007 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Donna Jean (Post 1156607)
I agree, she is the wrong breed for you!!!! Most people love their yorkies so much they can handle a mistake, this breed is the most difficult to house train, and most people who own them, do not have a fit if the baby makes some mistakes, you need to be dogless!!!! You are too young to be comitted to the training it takes to get your yorkie to please you.
I feel so bad for your poor yorkie! She must be a nervous wrek, and doesn't know what to do to please you, you have not been consistant, try this, try that, i think you need to be trained on how to train your yorkie, than learn to train your dog! Better yet, please get a great home for her with calm older people who have the paitence to work with her. They can not hold their bladders till 6 mos. old, and they have to work at holding their bladders, you are expecting a lot from a tiny yorkie baby! You do not love her enough to teach her. She will be much better off with a more mature adult!

Do you even read all responses before you post?? I just said about two posts above this one that I was mostly venting. You do not know me at all, you have no room whatsoever to tell me that I dont love my dog or that I am not mature enough to handle her. Please do not respond to any other posts of mine unless you've read the entire thread.

browniesmom622 06-02-2007 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Donna Jean (Post 1156607)
I agree, she is the wrong breed for you!!!! Most people love their yorkies so much they can handle a mistake, this breed is the most difficult to house train, and most people who own them, do not have a fit if the baby makes some mistakes, you need to be dogless!!!! You are too young to be comitted to the training it takes to get your yorkie to please you.
I feel so bad for your poor yorkie! She must be a nervous wrek, and doesn't know what to do to please you, you have not been consistant, try this, try that, i think you need to be trained on how to train your yorkie, than learn to train your dog! Better yet, please get a great home for her with calm older people who have the paitence to work with her. They can not hold their bladders till 6 mos. old, and they have to work at holding their bladders, you are expecting a lot from a tiny yorkie baby! You do not love her enough to teach her. She will be much better off with a more mature adult!



i agree here too please read other posts to before posting
its not like shes beating her theres no reason for her to be a nervous wrek

laurabelle 06-02-2007 06:16 PM

Sasha is not a nervous wreck. She is a very well loved and taken care of dog, one would even say she's spoiled and that's probably why we have this problem. I think I was/am more frustrated at her audacity at it sometimes. Just whatever mommy, I'll pee in front of you. Go ahead, clean it up.

I cannot stand people who think they know me when they don't. Who are you to judge.

wemple2 06-02-2007 06:18 PM

Okay...lets give a little support, training can be exhausting yes, but there's no reason to think it's impossible. You can do it, she just needs to be shown how and where she is to go potty, and you do have to be consistent, do it over and over and over again, let her know when she does it right...and then take her in the house...you may have to wait her out, but watch her she will eventually go potty outside. I for one really wish you well, the love of a yorkie is like no other...


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