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feminvstr · 10-24-2006, 06:33 AM

civil court damages would be based on whats in the contract you signed...

Karma I think your vet is somewhat at fault here...He gave Gia a clean bill of health, months later diagnose mange - ear mites if not treated can cause these problems. Seems to me your vet missed this!

ear mites, mange and some worms can be treated with one or two doses of Ivermectin or monthly dose of Revolution...Demodex is not usually hereditary in most cases would be considered environmental.

"defamation" - small claims only awards true monetary loss.

Potter · 10-24-2006, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by karmaistrue

I'm going to post pics of him so everyone can see what pup is going through (visually). I'm taking him to the vet now so he can be dewormed , get his first first pup vac, & his first deeping. My vet bill today will be 253.00 on top of the 199.99 I paid saturady . And in another two weeks he goes back for more shots & another dip

I feel so sorry for what you are going through. The time, effort, the worrying, the expenses can sometimes be very taxing on the owner's emotion especially if you treat puppy like your own child. Take care and keep us updated.If you need to vent, we will be here.

chachi · 10-24-2006, 06:46 AM

The revolution wont kill all the mites (mange). My Vet put Chachi on it when he had mites but he also had to go for the dips.

feminvstr · 10-24-2006, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

The revolution wont kill all the mites (mange). My Vet put Chachi on it when he had mites but he also had to go for the dips.

thats true thats why I suggested "or Ivermectin"...your right some advanced cases need the dip...

Karma, I am not trying to imply that the breeder isnt at fault here she should be for at least the entire treatment of Chewy because he obviously came with all of these problems, which is very sad, poor little man.

But your vet missed the ear mite problem (which your breeder should have been responsible for as well if diagnosed at her first well check) in Gia and when eat mites go untreated they can lead to mange...weakening your pups immunity system.

Karma I dont understand the shots? what vaccinations is your vet doing?

karmaistrue · 10-24-2006, 07:04 AM

Just dropped Chewy off, they may keep him overnight to see how he deals with the dip & the deworming at the same time. They said he looks good

feminvstr....

Why are you even posting here ??? I have enough going on with my pups & what sense does it make for you to come & make smart a ** comments & TRY to judge me or my actions.

I'm not going to the original vet i first went to (maybe if you read the post all the way through you wee see what I've been going through this past week & a half)

Demodex cannot be detected until it comes to the surface, so my vet had no way of knowing 3 months ago that Gia would have demodex now.

"Demodex is not usually hereditary"

How do you explain two pups from the same litter with the same disease????

feminvstr · 10-24-2006, 07:45 AM

Karma your acting as though I am defending the breeder here which I am NOT! Its a shame this is happening to you and I think the breeder is being irresponsible for not dealing with all these issues with you privately and in good faith, you purchased two purposed healthy kids that is not what you received "it is more apparent in Chewy"

FYI demodex can be hereditary but in often cases it is not! Ear mites left untreated can cause sarcoptic mange and some cases can develope into
demodectic mange.

The mange mite has a 20- 35 days lifecycle so it is obvious it came from your breeder! Your first vet just missed the mites in Gia and theyve worsened!

YorkieRose · 10-24-2006, 07:56 AM

Demodex, itself is not hereditary..all dogs carry the demodex mite on the skin..the problem surfaces with a low immune system and that can and can not be hereditary... I find demodex is a problem in a high volume kennel where there is alot of stress, poor nutrition, lack of sunshine/exercise, poor hyigene, stressed bitches and a general poor condition of the dogs involved...all these factors contribute to poor immune system.

There is a big difference in a dog that is in A-one condition and one in so-so condition...the so-so might look okay..UNTIL you see breeding stock in A-ONE condition. Many breeders have no clue what A-one condition is...

IMO, these things are "fixable" if a breeder wants to fix them...you start by STOPPING...when a breeder has a problem with worms, demodex, coccidia, bacterial skin problems, infection etc..it is best to stop breeding for a period of time, get your dogs in tip top condition and build up their immune system.

I would not buy from a breeder who had litters with repeated demodex probelms...the mite itself can be killed, but it can be extremely hard on a puppy to dip it in a toxin to kill the mites..some develop liver problems for a period of time, among other things...my vet has todl me that a small Yorkie can go down so easily after a dipping..he had to watch them very closely.

I wish your puppy the best of health in the future.

JiggityJig · 10-24-2006, 08:01 AM

Good info YorkieRose...thanks.

feminvstr · 10-24-2006, 08:03 AM

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9...s&ct=clnk&cd=1

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT DOGS WITH A HISTORY OF GENERALIZED
DEMODECTIC MANGE NOT BE BRED AS THERE IS A HEREDITARY
COMPONENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DISEASE

Females should be spayed as soon as the disease is controlled. Coming into heat, hormone fluxes, and pregnancy are very stressful. Also, predisposition to demodicosis is hereditary and should not be passed on.

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Demodex, itself is not hereditary..all dogs carry the demodex mite on the skin..the problem surfaces with a low immune system and that can and can not be hereditary... I find demodex is a problem in a high volume kennel where there is alot of stress, poor nutrition, lack of sunshine/exercise, poor hyigene, stressed bitches and a general poor condition of the dogs involved...all these factors contribute to poor immune system.

There is a big difference in a dog that is in A-one condition and one in so-so condition...the so-so might look okay..UNTIL you see breeding stock in A-ONE condition. Many breeders have no clue what A-one condition is...

IMO, these things are "fixable" if a breeder wants to fix them...you start by STOPPING...when a breeder has a problem with worms, demodex, coccidia, bacterial skin problems, infection etc..it is best to stop breeding for a period of time, get your dogs in tip top condition and build up their immune system.

I would not buy from a breeder who had litters with repeated demodex probelms...the mite itself can be killed, but it can be extremely hard on a puppy to dip it in a toxin to kill the mites..some develop liver problems for a period of time, among other things...my vet has todl me that a small Yorkie can go down so easily after a dipping..he had to watch them very closely.

I wish your puppy the best of health in the future.

chachi · 10-24-2006, 08:05 AM

That is good info Yorkierose. That the dips can cause liver problems really concerns me bbecause My vet never told me that. We discontinued the dips after the 5th one because Chachi was getting so sick after them.

sylvan · 10-24-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by karmaistrue

feminvstr....

Why are you even posting here ???

excuse me? I believe you posted on a public forum and have been asking questions and looking for help. Kimberly posted some very helpful information for you as did many other people, including those who recommended(along with your vet) that you hold off on getting a second pup. You chose to ignore the advice you recieved and are now making very strong accusations of abuse and neglect.
The pup was on a delayed flight so was in a crate for about 9 hrs. I don't know any pup that would not have had an accident and been traumatized by this...so it is common sense that he would be smelly and fearful. Making the assumption that he was abused is a strong accusation against any breeder and not one to be made lightly, especially given the fact that he has in two days begun " barking like crazy at everything, running around the house & even jumping on my leg for me to pick him up "
Agreed, the pup should not have been released from the breeders care with any kind of problem, but you were forewarned that he had an issue before he was shipped
" she told me he was on meds for some kind of skin irritation ".....
and you were aware of the mange issue with the pup you had gotten from this same breeder and chose to go ahead anyway?

vainchick5 · 10-24-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sylvan

excuse me? I believe you posted on a public forum and have been asking questions and looking for help. Kimberly posted some very helpful information for you as did many other people, including those who recommended(along with your vet) that you hold off on getting a second pup. You chose to ignore the advice you recieved and are now making very strong accusations of abuse and neglect.
The pup was on a delayed flight so was in a crate for about 9 hrs. I don't know any pup that would not have had an accident and been traumatized by this...so it is common sense that he would be smelly and fearful. Making the assumption that he was abused is a strong accusation against any breeder and not one to be made lightly, especially given the fact that he has in two days begun " barking like crazy at everything, running around the house & even jumping on my leg for me to pick him up "
Agreed, the pup should not have been released from the breeders care with any kind of problem, but you were forewarned that he had an issue before he was shipped
" she told me he was on meds for some kind of skin irritation ".....
and you were aware of the mange issue with the pup you had gotten from this same breeder and chose to go ahead anyway?

Excellent post. I would NEVER get a second pup from this same breeder. Even if you found out after you paid, I would threaten to sue her if she didn't give my money back, after the first pup got sick

feminvstr · 10-24-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sylvan

excuse me? I believe you posted on a public forum and have been asking questions and looking for help. Kimberly posted some very helpful information for you as did many other people, including those who recommended(along with your vet) that you hold off on getting a second pup. You chose to ignore the advice you recieved and are now making very strong accusations of abuse and neglect.
The pup was on a delayed flight so was in a crate for about 9 hrs. I don't know any pup that would not have had an accident and been traumatized by this...so it is common sense that he would be smelly and fearful. Making the assumption that he was abused is a strong accusation against any breeder and not one to be made lightly, especially given the fact that he has in two days begun " barking like crazy at everything, running around the house & even jumping on my leg for me to pick him up "

Agreed, the pup should not have been released from the breeders care with any kind of problem, but you were forewarned that he had an issue before he was shipped
" she told me he was on meds for some kind of skin irritation ".....

and you were aware of the mange issue with the pup you had gotten from this same breeder and chose to go ahead anyway?

Dartprincess · 10-24-2006, 09:18 AM

JCarlson2004 · 10-24-2006, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sylvan

excuse me? I believe you posted on a public forum and have been asking questions and looking for help. Kimberly posted some very helpful information for you as did many other people, including those who recommended(along with your vet) that you hold off on getting a second pup. You chose to ignore the advice you recieved and are now making very strong accusations of abuse and neglect.
The pup was on a delayed flight so was in a crate for about 9 hrs. I don't know any pup that would not have had an accident and been traumatized by this...so it is common sense that he would be smelly and fearful. Making the assumption that he was abused is a strong accusation against any breeder and not one to be made lightly, especially given the fact that he has in two days begun " barking like crazy at everything, running around the house & even jumping on my leg for me to pick him up "
Agreed, the pup should not have been released from the breeders care with any kind of problem, but you were forewarned that he had an issue before he was shipped
" she told me he was on meds for some kind of skin irritation ".....
and you were aware of the mange issue with the pup you had gotten from this same breeder and chose to go ahead anyway?

10-24-2006, 06:33 AM	#46
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	civil court damages would be based on whats in the contract you signed... Karma I think your vet is somewhat at fault here...He gave Gia a clean bill of health, months later diagnose mange - ear mites if not treated can cause these problems. Seems to me your vet missed this! ear mites, mange and some worms can be treated with one or two doses of Ivermectin or monthly dose of Revolution...Demodex is not usually hereditary in most cases would be considered environmental. "defamation" - small claims only awards true monetary loss. __________________ Kimberly

10-24-2006, 06:46 AM	#48
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	The revolution wont kill all the mites (mange). My Vet put Chachi on it when he had mites but he also had to go for the dips. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

10-24-2006, 07:45 AM	#51
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	Karma your acting as though I am defending the breeder here which I am NOT! Its a shame this is happening to you and I think the breeder is being irresponsible for not dealing with all these issues with you privately and in good faith, you purchased two purposed healthy kids that is not what you received "it is more apparent in Chewy" FYI demodex can be hereditary but in often cases it is not! Ear mites left untreated can cause sarcoptic mange and some cases can develope into demodectic mange. The mange mite has a 20- 35 days lifecycle so it is obvious it came from your breeder! Your first vet just missed the mites in Gia and theyve worsened! __________________ Kimberly

10-24-2006, 07:56 AM	#52
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	problems Demodex, itself is not hereditary..all dogs carry the demodex mite on the skin..the problem surfaces with a low immune system and that can and can not be hereditary... I find demodex is a problem in a high volume kennel where there is alot of stress, poor nutrition, lack of sunshine/exercise, poor hyigene, stressed bitches and a general poor condition of the dogs involved...all these factors contribute to poor immune system. There is a big difference in a dog that is in A-one condition and one in so-so condition...the so-so might look okay..UNTIL you see breeding stock in A-ONE condition. Many breeders have no clue what A-one condition is... IMO, these things are "fixable" if a breeder wants to fix them...you start by STOPPING...when a breeder has a problem with worms, demodex, coccidia, bacterial skin problems, infection etc..it is best to stop breeding for a period of time, get your dogs in tip top condition and build up their immune system. I would not buy from a breeder who had litters with repeated demodex probelms...the mite itself can be killed, but it can be extremely hard on a puppy to dip it in a toxin to kill the mites..some develop liver problems for a period of time, among other things...my vet has todl me that a small Yorkie can go down so easily after a dipping..he had to watch them very closely. I wish your puppy the best of health in the future.

10-24-2006, 08:01 AM	#53
JiggityJig YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TX Posts: 1,226	Good info YorkieRose...thanks. __________________ OUR HEARTS KIKI MAZIE JIMBOB ELFIE OUR JOYS

10-24-2006, 07:04 AM	#50
karmaistrue YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Jerzee Posts: 284	Just dropped Chewy off, they may keep him overnight to see how he deals with the dip & the deworming at the same time. They said he looks good feminvstr.... Why are you even posting here ??? I have enough going on with my pups & what sense does it make for you to come & make smart a ** comments & TRY to judge me or my actions. I'm not going to the original vet i first went to (maybe if you read the post all the way through you wee see what I've been going through this past week & a half) Demodex cannot be detected until it comes to the surface, so my vet had no way of knowing 3 months ago that Gia would have demodex now. "Demodex is not usually hereditary" How do you explain two pups from the same litter with the same disease????

10-24-2006, 08:05 AM	#55
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	That is good info Yorkierose. That the dips can cause liver problems really concerns me bbecause My vet never told me that. We discontinued the dips after the 5th one because Chachi was getting so sick after them. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

10-24-2006, 09:18 AM	#59
Dartprincess Minnie's Mommy Donating YT Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: WA State Posts: 916	__________________ Carol Minnie