Remote Trainers? aka static collars - Page 3 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

hunniebunnie · 03-22-2006, 01:01 PM

so what is she getting into when you're monitoring her in the portion of the house she's limited to? if she's either crated or monitored, doesn't that means she doesn't have the opportunity to try jumping over 4 foot gates?

just trying to get more information so that we can all better brainstorm an alternate solution.

yorkieagility · 03-22-2006, 01:34 PM

I’ve looked at the link and it looks and sounds like a shock collar. More than likely the current on it is less than a normal shock collar but never the less I believe it is a shock collar.

As for using a shock collar, I have used one. NEVER, on my yorkies but I have used it on my border collie. The result is really good and I’m glad I did. But that decision did not come lightly. Only after months of working on the issue with no success and with the suggestion of 2 other trainers and a dog behaviorist did I even think about using one. IT WAS A LAST RESORT NOT A QUICK FIX. I’m lucky that I have very experience trainers that guide me on how to use one.

The shock collar is a very powerful tool. It’s very effective when used correctly. If you are going use one, learn to use it correctly. In an inexperience hands, it may take repetition of shocks before the dog finally associated it with the unwanted behavior. It also can teach the dog fear due to the lack of association of the unwanted behavior or even cause a dog to mentally shut down. It also may cause potentially fear aggression towards things around the areas where it was shocked.

Honestly, I think positive re-enforcement is a lot better and more desirable. It makes the dog really want to please you and do what you ask. I got great results with all my dogs using positive re-enforcement. This type of negative re-enforcements has its place but please use caution.

BTW, how are you going to use the collar to teach your yorkie boundries? If you shock her when she is already out or pass her boundry, she will not understand it. May work if you catch her right then and there but doesn't guarantee she will not cross it when you are not there.

hunniebunnie · 03-22-2006, 02:21 PM

i wanted to add one of my original questions to you, which is, what kind of obedience training have you tried with trixie. have you taken her to any obedience classes? either group or individual?

a course on obedience training can be very helpful. not only does it help train your yorkie, it helps to train you to become a better trainer for your yorkie. experienced instructors can probably give you better ideas on what to try and how to do it.

i took my puppy to his first obedience class when he was 10 weeks old. i wanted to get it right from the start. we reviewed things from biting inhibition, potty training, separation anxiety, aggression, guarding, socialization to basic obedience commands like sit, stay, heel, loose leash walking, drop it, leave it, wait, take it, and down. it's definitely been a great help to both me and to my puppy. it's definitely helpful to have an instruction SHOW ME what i can do to correct a problem. i'm looking forward to taking him to the next set of obedience classes!

punkie · 06-02-2008, 11:27 AM

If someone were to use a remote shoc collar on a yorkie that is about 4.5 lb. which kind would you recommend?

punkie · 06-02-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shamrockx72

Well, I expected an uproar on this question...and boy was I right. I guess a lot of ya'll haven't seen the new collar by Innotek which is specially made for toy/lap dogs 4-10lbs. I know a lot of people who have used them on their dogs...big and small, and have had AMAZING results. I don't know about ya'll but my little girl is as stubborn as it gets. She doesn't listen, isn't afraid of a rolled up newspaper, and could care less. I'm giving this collar a try..and I'll let ya know if it works. I've only found it online at target and basspro...haven't seen it in petsmart or petco. But I can't wait for it to come! I want my yorkie acting like a nice girl!

Did this collar work for you at all? I'm considering getting the same for my dog. He's 4.5 lb. and I don't want to risk getting something that might harm him, but if this one worked for you, then I will give it a shot.
Thanks!

shamrockx72 · 06-02-2008, 12:32 PM

yes it worked wonderfully! I love it! I don't even have to use the shock feature, the beep is sufficient enough for her to stop.

punkie · 06-02-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shamrockx72

yes it worked wonderfully! I love it! I don't even have to use the shock feature, the beep is sufficient enough for her to stop.

That's great news. Do you think it would be safe for my 4.5 lb. yorkie? I'm thinking of buying one today. This is the one you used, right? Innotek SD-70 Lap Dog Training System

shamrockx72 · 06-02-2008, 12:36 PM

yes that is the one I used. My trixie was 4lbs when i first started using it.

Rae Rae · 06-02-2008, 12:36 PM

I wouldn't use one on a dog so small as a yorkie, even if it's set at the lowest voltage it can still be too powerful for such a small dog. We've used them on a boxer before, but it didn't do any good, he got "immune" to the shock.
I would try positive reinforcement training

punkie · 06-02-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shamrockx72

yes that is the one I used. My trixie was 4lbs when i first started using it.

Thank you so much for the feedback! I really appreciate it. Glad to hear it worked for Trixie. Hopefully I might have the same success with Milo.

punkie · 06-02-2008, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

I wouldn't use one on a dog so small as a yorkie, even if it's set at the lowest voltage it can still be too powerful for such a small dog. We've used them on a boxer before, but it didn't do any good, he got "immune" to the shock.
I would try positive reinforcement training

When you say the shock could be "too strong," what would be the result of this exactly?

Rae Rae · 06-02-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by punkie

When you say the shock could be "too strong," what would be the result of this exactly?

The exact result? Sorry but I'm not going to test it out on my yorkies to see what the exact result would be. I know it wouldn't be good, and definitly painful for a dog that is under 10lbs. Why subject your furbaby to pain when there are plenty of other ways of training? Besides, it's not like a shock collar is guaranteed to correct the problem.

punkie · 06-02-2008, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

The exact result? Sorry but I'm not going to test it out on my yorkies to see what the exact result would be. I know it wouldn't be good, and definitly painful for a dog that is under 10lbs. Why subject your furbaby to pain when there are plenty of other ways of training? Besides, it's not like a shock collar is guaranteed to correct the problem.

Well, no kind of training is ever guaranteed. I'm aware of this. I've tried tons of other ways and nothing has worked so far. I think I'll try the shock collar and see if it works since other people have had success and have recommended it. I just wanted to make sure that it's not going to harm him permanently.

Rae Rae · 06-02-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by punkie

Well, no kind of training is ever guaranteed. I'm aware of this. I've tried tons of other ways and nothing has worked so far. I think I'll try the shock collar and see if it works since other people have had success and have recommended it. I just wanted to make sure that it's not going to harm him permanently.

I also read that it can train the wrong way, for example, you might shock the dog when he does something, wrong, but in my mind he might be associating that shock with something else he sees. What kind of problems with his behavior are you having and what methods are you using to correct the problems? Have you tried training classes?

peanut · 06-02-2008, 06:43 PM

I can tell you from trying the shock collar on my hand on the lowest setting that it was strong. My son had the remote and dumb me had it in my hand not thinking, and I got shocked on 6, talk about droping it fast, I have never use it on more than 3 with my GSD...but as I said in the thread you started I wouldn't use it on my yorkies at all, but its your choice.

06-02-2008, 11:27 AM	#34
punkie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 228	If someone were to use a remote shoc collar on a yorkie that is about 4.5 lb. which kind would you recommend? __________________ loving baby Milo

06-02-2008, 12:32 PM	#36
shamrockx72 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Big Orange Country, TENNESSEE Posts: 27	yes it worked wonderfully! I love it! I don't even have to use the shock feature, the beep is sufficient enough for her to stop. __________________ My little girl Trixie Firecracker 5 months old 11 months old

06-02-2008, 12:36 PM	#38
shamrockx72 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Big Orange Country, TENNESSEE Posts: 27	yes that is the one I used. My trixie was 4lbs when i first started using it. __________________ My little girl Trixie Firecracker 5 months old 11 months old

06-02-2008, 12:36 PM	#39
Rae Rae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,823	I wouldn't use one on a dog so small as a yorkie, even if it's set at the lowest voltage it can still be too powerful for such a small dog. We've used them on a boxer before, but it didn't do any good, he got "immune" to the shock. I would try positive reinforcement training __________________ Owned by Rocky and Bella

06-02-2008, 06:43 PM	#45
peanut Dogs Rule Cats Drool! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 7,895	I can tell you from trying the shock collar on my hand on the lowest setting that it was strong. My son had the remote and dumb me had it in my hand not thinking, and I got shocked on 6, talk about droping it fast, I have never use it on more than 3 with my GSD...but as I said in the thread you started I wouldn't use it on my yorkies at all, but its your choice. __________________ KIM

03-22-2006, 01:01 PM	#31
hunniebunnie Follower of Yorkietology Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cali-fo-nee-ya Posts: 1,325	so what is she getting into when you're monitoring her in the portion of the house she's limited to? if she's either crated or monitored, doesn't that means she doesn't have the opportunity to try jumping over 4 foot gates? just trying to get more information so that we can all better brainstorm an alternate solution.

03-22-2006, 01:34 PM	#32
yorkieagility YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: House Of York Posts: 1,079	I’ve looked at the link and it looks and sounds like a shock collar. More than likely the current on it is less than a normal shock collar but never the less I believe it is a shock collar. As for using a shock collar, I have used one. NEVER, on my yorkies but I have used it on my border collie. The result is really good and I’m glad I did. But that decision did not come lightly. Only after months of working on the issue with no success and with the suggestion of 2 other trainers and a dog behaviorist did I even think about using one. IT WAS A LAST RESORT NOT A QUICK FIX. I’m lucky that I have very experience trainers that guide me on how to use one. The shock collar is a very powerful tool. It’s very effective when used correctly. If you are going use one, learn to use it correctly. In an inexperience hands, it may take repetition of shocks before the dog finally associated it with the unwanted behavior. It also can teach the dog fear due to the lack of association of the unwanted behavior or even cause a dog to mentally shut down. It also may cause potentially fear aggression towards things around the areas where it was shocked. Honestly, I think positive re-enforcement is a lot better and more desirable. It makes the dog really want to please you and do what you ask. I got great results with all my dogs using positive re-enforcement. This type of negative re-enforcements has its place but please use caution. BTW, how are you going to use the collar to teach your yorkie boundries? If you shock her when she is already out or pass her boundry, she will not understand it. May work if you catch her right then and there but doesn't guarantee she will not cross it when you are not there.

03-22-2006, 02:21 PM	#33
hunniebunnie Follower of Yorkietology Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cali-fo-nee-ya Posts: 1,325	i wanted to add one of my original questions to you, which is, what kind of obedience training have you tried with trixie. have you taken her to any obedience classes? either group or individual? a course on obedience training can be very helpful. not only does it help train your yorkie, it helps to train you to become a better trainer for your yorkie. experienced instructors can probably give you better ideas on what to try and how to do it. i took my puppy to his first obedience class when he was 10 weeks old. i wanted to get it right from the start. we reviewed things from biting inhibition, potty training, separation anxiety, aggression, guarding, socialization to basic obedience commands like sit, stay, heel, loose leash walking, drop it, leave it, wait, take it, and down. it's definitely been a great help to both me and to my puppy. it's definitely helpful to have an instruction SHOW ME what i can do to correct a problem. i'm looking forward to taking him to the next set of obedience classes!