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sandraj · 03-22-2006, 01:29 AM

I haven't used these and wouldn't. I use positive reinforcement methods-treats,praise,toys etc. Have you tried all these? Yorkies love to please.What behaviours are you going to correct with this collar? I am genuinely puzzled?

hunniebunnie · 03-22-2006, 01:58 AM

what kind of behavior problems are you trying to correct? how long have you had your yorkie? what kind of obedience training have you tried with her and for how long?

i ask this because sometimes as a new yorkie owner or even a new puppy owner, we may be prone to a bit of impatience and want to search for a solution that offers immediate gratification rather than to wait for our patience to pay off. how often have we heard new puppy owners complain, "it's been 3 weeks and she's still not potty trained!!!" while the veteran owner just cheerfully offer the advice "it can take weeks, months, or maybe even over a year to have her fully potty trained! be patient!"

if you have tried and failed all other methods of positive reinforcement training (and a rolled up newspaper isn't one of them), have genuinely attempted all other avenues of obedience training and correction, and have honestly given your baby enough time (we're talking at least several months) to catch on, and have had no positive results, leaving static collars as the only alternative (and sometimes it is the only viable option left). then i say "go for it." hopefully this will work for you and your baby and good luck.

but if this is used as an alternative to time and patience, well, to each their own. but personally i'd prefer a puppy that obeys my command because he respects me as the leader of his pack and wants to make me happy, than a puppy that obeys my command because he is fearful of what i might do to him.

alaskayorkie · 03-22-2006, 02:45 AM

I've never used them. I've had good luck with positive reinforcement.

hunniebunnie · 03-22-2006, 02:50 AM

okay... so i just read your other threads about the training problems you're having with your yorkie... are you trying to potty train her and curb her biting by using the static collar? she's only 22 weeks old and you've only had her since jan 2 while attempting to train her using a variety of different methods (paper, outside, and litterbox). i think she can use a little more time, patience, and firm handling from you before resorting to such measures.

for a little perspective, these are examples from my personal experience: bunjee is 26 weeks old now. i've had him since mid-november when he turned 8 weeks old. i *JUST* considered him potty trained at home at the end of feb when he went a full 3 weeks without an accident (barring the 2 accidents he had while he was sick). this is after 3.5 months of consistently training him to use the potty pad (i tried to do a combo of outside and potty pad, but that proved to be too confusing for him so i stuck with potty pad) using postive reinforcement methods.

ever since 22 weeks, he started to teeth, losing his baby teeth and getting him adult teeth so biting is a BIG ISSUE, but because we've already laid the foundation of the "no bite!" command for the past several months. Whenever he doesn't respond to my commands, he gets a short "time out" in his crate or no further playing from me. so now, even tho he wants to play bite my hand, he'll stop immediately when i give him a firm "NO BITE!" or just "NO!". Sometimes he'll even go straight from biting to yawning, as if to say... "i'm not biting mommy, i'm just yawning! *yawn* ".

was he stubborn... most definitely! was i frustrated and annoyed....absolutely! did i get lucky...maybe... but i'd like to think i was rewarded for my patience. i think the same can be of your trixie if you gave her more time, boundaries, and consistency. but that's just my humble opinion, only you can truly decide what and how you should handle the obedience and housebreaking training of your puppy.

btw, i was just on Innotek's US website. which collar are you getting? the only collar i saw for small breed seem like it's a "tone correction collar" not one that emits shock... or i can be wrong. the product description on innotek's website is quite lacking.

txshopper73 · 03-22-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by shamrockx72

Well, I expected an uproar on this question...and boy was I right. I guess a lot of ya'll haven't seen the new collar by Innotek which is specially made for toy/lap dogs 4-10lbs. I know a lot of people who have used them on their dogs...big and small, and have had AMAZING results. I don't know about ya'll but my little girl is as stubborn as it gets. She doesn't listen, isn't afraid of a rolled up newspaper, and could care less. I'm giving this collar a try..and I'll let ya know if it works. I've only found it online at target and basspro...haven't seen it in petsmart or petco. But I can't wait for it to come! I want my yorkie acting like a nice girl!

Why not just post about this new collar by Innotek? You KNEW this thread would turn for the bad and yet you posted it. Please tell me you didn't post this thread just to see what kind of reaction you would get.

red98vett · 03-22-2006, 06:15 AM

Well.....I have NO experience with anything like these collars .....but all I can say is ONE....I wouldn't want something like that around a small yorkies neck...

and TWO....anything that could cause them to YELP is CRUEL.

Those collars sound way too dangerous in my opinion...I personally could never ever use one no matter how frustrated I was.

ps....Using someones first name is a way of talking directly to them and in no way offensive...and if it bothers anyone to have them used...then you can edit your signature to take it out.....many people don't have their first names posted............ easy solution !

BamaFan121s · 03-22-2006, 06:33 AM

I'm gonna have to agree with what seems to be the majority here and say "NO" to the shock collars. I'm not doubting that it works...if someone were shocking me, I'd stop too! It just seems unneccessary when there are other, less harmful ways to achieve your goal.

At the same time, looking back over the posts here...it seems like you have already made up your mind and ordered the collar? Why then, if you are already set and waiting for the product, did you even bother to ask for opinions? Especially if you knew they would incite controversy?

chachi · 03-22-2006, 07:18 AM

I went to the Innotek site and it doesnt say anything about being safe for dogs 4-10 lbs. It is one size for all dogs. Am I missing something?

alisonJ · 03-22-2006, 07:30 AM

I think positive reinforcement should be used whenever possible.

I don't like the shock idea, and would never do it. There are other ways to correct without resorting to imposing physical discomfort. I have resorted to the barker breaker (a corrective beep, not on the collar) and the citronella collar to stop barking. They both worked. I still wonder, however, if there was something positive I could have done instead.

shamrockx72 · 03-22-2006, 08:53 AM

I yiyi....I did not post this to get a rise out of anyone! I ordered the collar after I had posted it...not before!! I am not getting this because my dog is not potty trained yet, we are working on going outside. But my Trixie gets into everything! Saying, no or any other loud noises doesn't work! She has jumping problems where she jumps over 4 foot gates and I'm afraid she'll hurt herself eventually. I know a lot of you are opposed to these collars but usually they get it after 2 times and stop when they hear just the beep. My brother has a rat terrier and it worked wonders for his dog.

As for the collar...http://www.innotekdirect.com/html/flyers/SD-70.htm

I hope everyone in the community doesn't hate me now!

FirstYorkie · 03-22-2006, 09:03 AM

So you're getting it to keep her from "getting into everything"? How does that work - you zap her when she annoys you or tries to jump?

Hate you? No. Think you should try other alternatives first? Yes.

shamrockx72 · 03-22-2006, 09:07 AM

there is a good tone and bad tone on the collar. Usually it doesn't take more than 4 corrections and you don't even have to use it...just the beep beep.

goldcupmom · 03-22-2006, 09:30 AM

Use a collar on a Yorkie..... not sure I would, but....

Years ago I had a 145 lb white German Shepherd. Our neighbors called the police because he was barking (not excessive, he was barking because another dog had dug under the fence into our yard and he was alerting us). Police didn't care, wouldn't even send animal control to get the dog (w/o collar) that appeared in our yard. We were given a 30 day citation to either get him surgically 'debarked' or, if anyone EVER called in again about him, he would be taken and put down. (this was in Dallas area - 1985/86).

We hunted for a trainer who took him to their location and put a collar on him. It took ONE low shock to cure him forever from barking - the trainer put the collar on my DH first ( I was pg at the time) to show us the low shock he would get. He then would bark ONCE as a warning and be quiet. He would growl very menacingly, but barking was extremely limited. In this case, it literally saved him.

That said, I think everyone has to do what they feel is best. Mia is now 18 months and Still will occasionally come right up to you and pee on the floor. Pooping indoors seems to be her fav activity. Yes, I've tried crate training, rewards, spending countless hours shuttling her in and out, pee pads, etc. She is simply Stubborn - it's her personality. I'd try other things if I thought they would work. I don't think anyone on here would ever intentionally hurt or endanger their babies, but training methods vary as much as anything, even with professional trainers.

hunniebunnie · 03-22-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shamrockx72

... But my Trixie gets into everything! Saying, no or any other loud noises doesn't work! She has jumping problems where she jumps over 4 foot gates and I'm afraid she'll hurt herself eventually...

... I hope everyone in the community doesn't hate me now! ...

how is trixie getting into everything? she's just a puppy and it's normal for her to be curious and explore her new environment. is your home puppy proof? are trashcans shut all the time? are cabinets locked? are bathroom doors closed? are hampers covered? are items like shoes and clothing picked up and off the floors? if these are the problems, it can be easily handled, sometimes very cheaply, by some effort on your part.

does your puppy have free roam of the house? try putting your puppy on a harness and a lead and attach the lead to yourself so that you can monitor her at all times when you're home. that will definitely prevent her from getting into things. crate train her for times you cannot monitor her. get her an xpen and put a cover over the xpen so that she can't jump over them. have you tried all of these? have they all failed?

i don't think anyone here hates you. we're just expressing our concerns, for you and for trixie. we want you to be a happy owner and trixie to be a happy puppy! i think sometimes "shock" is necessary for the safety of our little ones like exterior invisible fencing for those escape artists. but i also think using shock to train in one area will give you the urge to use it in other areas as well, which then leads to overuse and one fearful neurotic pet. as for that particular collar, i don't see anything that says it's okay for dogs 4-10lbs. "toys and small dogs" are usually any under 20 lbs, but i'm sure there's a big difference between the tolerance to shock for a 6 lb yorkie vs. a 20 lb jack russell terrier.

good luck. and remember, consistency, a watchful eye, and time will pay off ... you just have to have patience.

shamrockx72 · 03-22-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hunniebunnie

does your puppy have free roam of the house? try putting your puppy on a harness and a lead and attach the lead to yourself so that you can monitor her at all times when you're home. that will definitely prevent her from getting into things. crate train her for times you cannot monitor her. get her an xpen and put a cover over the xpen so that she can't jump over them. have you tried all of these? have they all failed?

I have done all those things. She is limited to one portion of my house and only when I'm in there with her. I tried everything you just mentioned, including the xpen and the cover...she just pees all over in that and I feel it just takes me steps back on my potty training. So I keep her in her crate when I'm not around.

03-22-2006, 01:29 AM	#16
sandraj YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 370	I haven't used these and wouldn't. I use positive reinforcement methods-treats,praise,toys etc. Have you tried all these? Yorkies love to please.What behaviours are you going to correct with this collar? I am genuinely puzzled? __________________ Sandra J and Holly

03-22-2006, 02:45 AM	#18
alaskayorkie Banning Thread Dictator Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anchorage Posts: 30,843 Blog Entries: 57	I've never used them. I've had good luck with positive reinforcement. __________________ Mike ~ Doting Dad to Jillie, Harper, Molly, Cooper, Eddie (RIP), Lucy (RIP), Rusty (RIP) and Jack (RIP). Check us out on YouTube

03-22-2006, 06:15 AM	#21
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Well.....I have NO experience with anything like these collars .....but all I can say is ONE....I wouldn't want something like that around a small yorkies neck... and TWO....anything that could cause them to YELP is CRUEL. Those collars sound way too dangerous in my opinion...I personally could never ever use one no matter how frustrated I was. ps....Using someones first name is a way of talking directly to them and in no way offensive...and if it bothers anyone to have them used...then you can edit your signature to take it out.....many people don't have their first names posted............ easy solution ! __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE! Last edited by red98vett; 03-22-2006 at 06:19 AM.

03-22-2006, 07:18 AM	#23
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I went to the Innotek site and it doesnt say anything about being safe for dogs 4-10 lbs. It is one size for all dogs. Am I missing something? __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

03-22-2006, 07:30 AM	#24
alisonJ YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,840	I think positive reinforcement should be used whenever possible. I don't like the shock idea, and would never do it. There are other ways to correct without resorting to imposing physical discomfort. I have resorted to the barker breaker (a corrective beep, not on the collar) and the citronella collar to stop barking. They both worked. I still wonder, however, if there was something positive I could have done instead. __________________ Alison--Edith Jones's mother www.edithjonesproject.com

03-22-2006, 01:58 AM	#17
hunniebunnie Follower of Yorkietology Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cali-fo-nee-ya Posts: 1,325	what kind of behavior problems are you trying to correct? how long have you had your yorkie? what kind of obedience training have you tried with her and for how long? i ask this because sometimes as a new yorkie owner or even a new puppy owner, we may be prone to a bit of impatience and want to search for a solution that offers immediate gratification rather than to wait for our patience to pay off. how often have we heard new puppy owners complain, "it's been 3 weeks and she's still not potty trained!!!" while the veteran owner just cheerfully offer the advice "it can take weeks, months, or maybe even over a year to have her fully potty trained! be patient!" if you have tried and failed all other methods of positive reinforcement training (and a rolled up newspaper isn't one of them), have genuinely attempted all other avenues of obedience training and correction, and have honestly given your baby enough time (we're talking at least several months) to catch on, and have had no positive results, leaving static collars as the only alternative (and sometimes it is the only viable option left). then i say "go for it." hopefully this will work for you and your baby and good luck. but if this is used as an alternative to time and patience, well, to each their own. but personally i'd prefer a puppy that obeys my command because he respects me as the leader of his pack and wants to make me happy, than a puppy that obeys my command because he is fearful of what i might do to him.

03-22-2006, 02:50 AM	#19
hunniebunnie Follower of Yorkietology Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cali-fo-nee-ya Posts: 1,325	okay... so i just read your other threads about the training problems you're having with your yorkie... are you trying to potty train her and curb her biting by using the static collar? she's only 22 weeks old and you've only had her since jan 2 while attempting to train her using a variety of different methods (paper, outside, and litterbox). i think she can use a little more time, patience, and firm handling from you before resorting to such measures. for a little perspective, these are examples from my personal experience: bunjee is 26 weeks old now. i've had him since mid-november when he turned 8 weeks old. i JUST considered him potty trained at home at the end of feb when he went a full 3 weeks without an accident (barring the 2 accidents he had while he was sick). this is after 3.5 months of consistently training him to use the potty pad (i tried to do a combo of outside and potty pad, but that proved to be too confusing for him so i stuck with potty pad) using postive reinforcement methods. ever since 22 weeks, he started to teeth, losing his baby teeth and getting him adult teeth so biting is a BIG ISSUE, but because we've already laid the foundation of the "no bite!" command for the past several months. Whenever he doesn't respond to my commands, he gets a short "time out" in his crate or no further playing from me. so now, even tho he wants to play bite my hand, he'll stop immediately when i give him a firm "NO BITE!" or just "NO!". Sometimes he'll even go straight from biting to yawning, as if to say... "i'm not biting mommy, i'm just yawning! yawn ". was he stubborn... most definitely! was i frustrated and annoyed....absolutely! did i get lucky...maybe... but i'd like to think i was rewarded for my patience. i think the same can be of your trixie if you gave her more time, boundaries, and consistency. but that's just my humble opinion, only you can truly decide what and how you should handle the obedience and housebreaking training of your puppy. btw, i was just on Innotek's US website. which collar are you getting? the only collar i saw for small breed seem like it's a "tone correction collar" not one that emits shock... or i can be wrong. the product description on innotek's website is quite lacking.

03-22-2006, 06:33 AM	#22
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	I'm gonna have to agree with what seems to be the majority here and say "NO" to the shock collars. I'm not doubting that it works...if someone were shocking me, I'd stop too! It just seems unneccessary when there are other, less harmful ways to achieve your goal. At the same time, looking back over the posts here...it seems like you have already made up your mind and ordered the collar? Why then, if you are already set and waiting for the product, did you even bother to ask for opinions? Especially if you knew they would incite controversy?

03-22-2006, 08:53 AM	#25
shamrockx72 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Big Orange Country, TENNESSEE Posts: 27	I yiyi....I did not post this to get a rise out of anyone! I ordered the collar after I had posted it...not before!! I am not getting this because my dog is not potty trained yet, we are working on going outside. But my Trixie gets into everything! Saying, no or any other loud noises doesn't work! She has jumping problems where she jumps over 4 foot gates and I'm afraid she'll hurt herself eventually. I know a lot of you are opposed to these collars but usually they get it after 2 times and stop when they hear just the beep. My brother has a rat terrier and it worked wonders for his dog. As for the collar...http://www.innotekdirect.com/html/flyers/SD-70.htm I hope everyone in the community doesn't hate me now! __________________ My little girl Trixie Firecracker 5 months old 11 months old

03-22-2006, 09:03 AM	#26
FirstYorkie YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: American in London Posts: 1,739	So you're getting it to keep her from "getting into everything"? How does that work - you zap her when she annoys you or tries to jump? Hate you? No. Think you should try other alternatives first? Yes. __________________ FirstYorkie We Love Clicker-Training!

03-22-2006, 09:07 AM	#27
shamrockx72 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Big Orange Country, TENNESSEE Posts: 27	there is a good tone and bad tone on the collar. Usually it doesn't take more than 4 corrections and you don't even have to use it...just the beep beep. __________________ My little girl Trixie Firecracker 5 months old 11 months old

03-22-2006, 09:30 AM	#28
goldcupmom YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 373	Use a collar on a Yorkie..... not sure I would, but.... Years ago I had a 145 lb white German Shepherd. Our neighbors called the police because he was barking (not excessive, he was barking because another dog had dug under the fence into our yard and he was alerting us). Police didn't care, wouldn't even send animal control to get the dog (w/o collar) that appeared in our yard. We were given a 30 day citation to either get him surgically 'debarked' or, if anyone EVER called in again about him, he would be taken and put down. (this was in Dallas area - 1985/86). We hunted for a trainer who took him to their location and put a collar on him. It took ONE low shock to cure him forever from barking - the trainer put the collar on my DH first ( I was pg at the time) to show us the low shock he would get. He then would bark ONCE as a warning and be quiet. He would growl very menacingly, but barking was extremely limited. In this case, it literally saved him. That said, I think everyone has to do what they feel is best. Mia is now 18 months and Still will occasionally come right up to you and pee on the floor. Pooping indoors seems to be her fav activity. Yes, I've tried crate training, rewards, spending countless hours shuttling her in and out, pee pads, etc. She is simply Stubborn - it's her personality. I'd try other things if I thought they would work. I don't think anyone on here would ever intentionally hurt or endanger their babies, but training methods vary as much as anything, even with professional trainers.