Hey! Hey!! Hey!!! Cesar Millan

[Muffie's Mom]

Go to this website to read about Cesar Millan's thoughts on behavior problems:

http://www.dogchannel.com/dog/expert...r/default.aspx

[Yorkie Mum]

I have counted to ten. I have even turned off my computer but this is still bugging me.
Not that I expect this to make a difference but I hope someday it may.
First just cause someone is on the little square box does not mean he know a whole bunch of anything.
He guy is talking pack and you as leader.
Good grief a dog does not see you as a dog in skin. He well knows you are something else and you treating him like you are a dog is well????
Not to say you do not try and communicate to them in their native language that is what Turid Rugass tries to do.
The fact he rates or was listed the breeds easiest to train is a dead give away that well he is not taking each dog as they come. Looking at the way they learn and working with that breed type.
I not look at Border collie trying to heal me as an act of aggression and treat it as such. I go dang a border doing a normal border collie thing lets harness that.
"By the way, people beds are out of bounds to dominant dogs. It elevates the dog to your alpha position in the pack. Until he's an adult, the dog's bed belongs in another room."
Yeah yeah well baloney and more baloney. Try teaching it manners, giving it rules and asking it to down or sit before joining you in bed.
Dogs are not out to take over the world.They can not use our credit cards nor drive a car.
"Another method is to gently push your fingers farther into the pup's mouth when it nips" All I can say is NO NO NO.

The guy quotes Staney Coren like well check this out.http://www.clickersolutions.com/reading.htm

Not Recommended
The following popular dog training or behavior books and videos are not recommended. Although some contain some good information, they either contain outdated, severe, and potentially dangerous information or simply promote false, misleading ideas about dogs.

Click and Treat Doggie Repair Kit, by Gary Wilkes
Family Dog, by Richard Wolters
Good Owners, Great Dogs, by Brian Kilcommons
Child-Proofing Your Dog, by Brian Kilcommons -- review
Intelligence of Dogs, by Stanley Coren
Social Lives of Dogs, by Elizabeth Marshall Thomas

I could go on more but well know I will get back he is great and he knows and he on TV so he is right. He has some of it but he is not the end all and the be all of the training world and there are better much better.
No I am not either the end all and the be all but I love to be in the same room with this guy and well have a long chat. As long as I can go armed with the lastest research and my dog.
One can not stop learning and this guy seems to have staled.
As I posted before even the guys that originally talked alpha and training say they made a mistake.
So it long time pasted tossing it all in the trash can.
There is never ever a good reason to be rough with a dog. If you do not want it done to you do not do it on your dog.

Joy

[bugaboosmom]

I love to watch Cesar!

[FirstYorkie]

On the link provided, I see Milan repeatedly recommends walking in front of your dog. I wonder how he proposes that we teach them to walk behind us? Anyone know?

[Yorkie Mum]

Originally Posted by FirstYorkie

On the link provided, I see Milan repeatedly recommends walking in front of your dog. I wonder how he proposes that we teach them to walk behind us? Anyone know?

Why would you want them behind you?
In an aggressive dog you want them where you can see them and you are watching them and they can make eye contact to ask for help and support.
Behind has them out of sight and also you are out of their thoughts and they are looking where ever hunting the next victim.
That is a no no.
Only time I want to be in front is if I am blocking my dogs view to an on coming issuse. That I need to step between her and it. So a reacation does not start. Then I have failed to get her out of harms way and provent a reaction which is miss management on my part.
The only other reason is to get my leg in there to take a bite from another aggressive dog going after her or her going after another dog and that is miss managment too.
Joy

[Muffie's Mom]

I've always seen him with the dog at his left side not walking behind him and not out in front of him - always at his left side in a "heel" position.

[Yorkie Mum]

Originally Posted by FirstYorkie

On the link provided, I see Milan repeatedly recommends walking in front of your dog. I wonder how he proposes that we teach them to walk behind us? Anyone know?

It be helpful for me to read it maybe I have got the wrong end of this.
Could you post the link to the article you read?
You got me thinking and that could be good or bad. LOL

Joy

[Erin]

YorkieMum, thanks for that link. We're really into training and it's hard to find out if a book is good or not without reading it. Even though others recommend it, it's not necessarily something good. (I used to think "Uncle Matty" knew what he was talking about, even though you cringe when he "corrects" the dogs. They look stunned after he does that! I've known better for a long time!) I loved The Other End of the Leash. With so many people out there claiming to be trainers, it's hard to sort out the good ones. We were lucky enough to find a great positive trainer. Everyone needs a good trainer!!

[FirstYorkie]

Originally Posted by Erin

We were lucky enough to find a great positive trainer. Everyone needs a good trainer!!

Amen, sister!!!

Joy, here's a link to one article that contains the reference to walking in front of your dog, but he says it over and over on this website (which is the one originally posted):
http://www.dogchannel.com/dog/expert...eadership.aspx

To me, Milan seems to have all these great ideas, but he's short on practical implementation of them. Maybe that's just me...

[Yorkie Mum]

Originally Posted by FirstYorkie

Amen, sister!!!


To me, Milan seems to have all these great ideas, but he's short on practical implementation of them. Maybe that's just me...

Now that is my hang up with Brenda too.
She got some really useful stuff and she can talk like she uses it but when it comes down to it she falls apart and goes rough.
I am still trying to figure out if I can even recommend her books.
I like most of it but then it slips. I know how to adjust things and can I then go ahead and say ok read but do not use this and this and this.
I lost a part of what I know works as she messed up.
How do I trust that any part of what she says is useable now?

From Ceaser site
"Another important necessity for dogs is the walk. In their natural habitat they earn food and water while traveling and they get to experience the world. Walking also stimulates their minds.

Walking in front of a dog allows you to be seen as the pack leader because position matters to a dog. Conversely, if your dog controls you on the walk, he’s the pack leader. Master the walk and your dog will relate to you as a pack leader.

During the walk you will feel the highest level of connection with your dog. My clients are often surprised by this because they think dogs only crave love and affection. Not so. Dogs crave rules, boundaries and limitations from their pack leader. This allows them to relax and accept their role within the pack."

Ok I see and well See above posts.
I have a hard time I know I do with this stuff.
If you are going to say you train positive you had better quack the right quacks and waddle like a positive trainer.
It's all got to be positive.
Ok I make mistakes we all do but if your on TV and writing books and giving classes you better get it right as it could cost a dog and big.
What Brenda did in class could if done to my girl caused her to bite or collapse. The stress of just seeing it caused fear.
Positive must be positive or it is false advertising.
Ok I will shh now.

Joy

[Carolina girl]

There are some of us that believe in Ceaser and no matter what someone on a "website" says. Everytime that someone says something about him someone jumps in with negativety. I sometimes have problems with this site and this is why. I am no expert and I would love to see degrees of some othe others on this site.

[Yorkie Mum]

Originally Posted by Carolina girl

There are some of us that believe in Ceaser and no matter what someone on a "website" says. Everytime that someone says something about him someone jumps in with negativity. I sometimes have problems with this site and this is why. I am no expert and I would love to see degrees of some other others on this site.

That be me and yes I do jump in. One can not say one trains in a positive way if one recommend adverse training techniques. Like sticking one fingures down a dogs throat.
You do that to a yorkie the wrong way you got dead.
You do that to a yorkie you got one that will shut off on you.
Training a yorkie is not like training a big dog in anyway shape or form these guys get bored and shut you out fast with the rough stuff.

I train only aggesion and agression work and if it works on them it can and does work on normal dogs. Go slow be gentle and never have to repair an oops.

Joy

[FirstYorkie]

Carolina Girl - you are right. Some people here really do believe in Cesar Milan and those of us who don't undoubtedly react too strongly.

The website we referred to was the interview of Milan on TheDogChannel.com (which is the website originally posted).

I apologize. No offense intended.

[Carolina girl]

Originally Posted by Yorkie Mum

That be me and yes I do jump in. One can not say one trains in a positive way if one recommend adverse training techniques. Like sticking one fingures down a dogs throat.
You do that to a yorkie the wrong way you got dead.
You do that to a yorkie you got one that will shut off on you.
Training a yorkie is not like training a big dog in anyway shape or form these guys get bored and shut you out fast with the rough stuff.

I train only aggesion and agression work and if it works on them it can and does work on normal dogs. Go slow be gentle and never have to repair an oops.

Joy

I watch him all the time and have never seen him stick his fingers down a dogs throat. He is gentle with little ones and tougher on big ones. He is a genius when it comes to agressive dogs.

[Yorkie Mum]

I was reading stuff from his site and it said fingers down throat.
So maybe I made an error.
He is Alpha based in think though.
Also I have to give him that the Alpha stuff coming out of training is well just newish so he may be to busy on his show to have done the lastest research check or Read the newish works.
You want degrees have a look at http://www.clickersolutions.com/
The one that brought gentle to the world is there and packs more knowledge then anyone.
My behaviouist was trained by Karen Pryor.

Joy