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07-07-2016, 02:00 PM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: England, Essex
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| Aggressive disobedient puppy - Can we fix him? Losing hope Where to start. Had him since 8 weeks. He is now 8 months. I have co-owned a Jack Russell who was a completely different kettle of fish, lovely dog. This Yorkshire Terrier though... the only thing I can ever say about him is, "Yeh, he's a bit of a dick" He started off very shy. Very afraid of other dogs and loved every single human being. Now the opposite. Runs after every dog off leash, and picks and chooses who he wants to bark at. But has started barking aggressively and growling at the Vet so much so we have bought a muzzle. And he is barking at kids which for us was the biggest sign that this isn't acceptable and needs sorting. Aggression - Google, Youtube, useless. The dog just wants to bite. We thought it was because he was teething, past that now (all old teeth gone) and all he does is have his mouth open ready to nip. Tried many many many things to ween him out of it. All seemingly useless information. One popular one - when your dog bites, get up and go into another room. Ok but the dog is tearing up the couch, I pick him up and move him away as he flat out ignores me shouting at him; he gets annoyed I pick him up and then bites. Every. Single. Time. During the first weeks and months of ownership people came round to visit but the dog was nipping at people. it was embarrassing as I have to then just say to people who want to come see him, Yeh he is being a dick, be better to come round when he calms down. We are at the last straw, googling dog behaviourist last night. Disobedience - Dog doesn't recall. He isn't interested in his toys on walks, his treats, or us! YouTube says, put treats in front of the dogs nose when on a walk before taking off leash... yeah, we buy him many different treats, wave some chicken, cheese in front of him. He does not care! He would rather just run off and sniff some other dogs piss, chase another dog 3 miles away, or run up and bark at someone. He takes something and you want it back... He won't, all he wants to be done is chased. Wagging his tail when we get nearer to him. How do you combat that?? I want the stuff he has, but I am giving him what he wants.. The chase. Toys - All of his bloody toys wind him up. Everything he wants to rip apart, or if it's a tugger.... He just shakes it around like he is trying to rip off someone's arm. Each time I play tug I feel like I am training a bloody fighting dog as he just gets growly and too excited so have to stop. Balls make him angry. Ball treat toys make him angry and aggressive. Teddy bears make him 'aroused'.. he has had the snip recently and he still humps the hell out of his teddy bears. Squeaky toys are ok, but obviously annoying for long periods. What can I get for him that doesn't anger him? Keep him busy? We are both so fed up, I always think of him as if it was someone who is living with you, you both don't really like each other but you just put up with it hoping things change. We just just bought our first house, me and my girlfriend, we don't want kids, and the dog was meant to be the last piece in the puzzle and so far, it's disappointing, stressful, and during the early months almost split us up because of him. I am ok my job is 9-5. Boring I know. But my girlfriend is an air hostess and she is on some serious shift work, so up at 3AM and the last thing she wants is to have this prick of a dog being a prick every day till he dies in 10+ years. She is so tired. Under no illusion do I want to get rid of him, or do I want to "put him down". I want to fix the thing. I live in hope. He is 8 months, he can be fixed right? Sorry for the rant... I needed to get it off my chest, and a Yorkie forum is helluva lot more helpful than a generic pet forum! |
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07-07-2016, 02:25 PM | #2 |
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| You've got an adolescent dog. He's doing what teenagers do- they don't listen, they don't obey, they resist, they test every boundary in the book. He will outgrow some of this, but I think you need a trainer or behaviorist (or both!) to help you and your dog learn to live in harmony. He sounds like a definite handful, and while all dogs this age are, he seems to be really giving you a run for your money and you need help.
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07-07-2016, 04:36 PM | #3 |
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| it is like saying will a toddler change? lol. of course there is hope, get him a trainer the trainer will train you how to work with him daily. forget googling and just get a pro who is highly recommended to help you asap. Most small pet stores or vets have a great trainer they usually can recommend. |
07-07-2016, 04:59 PM | #4 |
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| I think he needs training. And most of what you described with biting and growling at the vet all sounds like fearful behavior. Time and lots of patience. You cant get mad and yell at fearful dogs. And unless someone takes your dog out between your work shifts thats way too long to he alone and no excerise. Puppies need exercise. It cures a multitude of problems. I dont know what you mean "angry" at toys. Sounds to me like he is only playing with them. Trying to burn off some energy. My yorki is very focused and crazy about stuffed toys and he Works on them till the squeaker is out and toy is shredded. I have nevr thought he seemed angry during play. |
07-07-2016, 05:57 PM | #5 |
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| Many Yorkies tend to shake their toys and rip them apart. Being terriers, they are acting on their instinct of killing rodents. Many Yorkies will also growl. Judging from your post, I'm willing to bet that your frustrated and angry energy are contributing to your pup's undesirable behavior. An energetic Yorkie can be a handful. I also know what it is like to have one with a cast iron head. My Max is a good boy, but is unlike any dog I've had before and does test my patience. I agree with the suggestion above that your dog needs plenty of exercise and training. I highly recommend 99% positive reinforcement training with the 1% negative being withdrawing attention when bad behavior continues. A domineering method like Cesar Millan's I found only cranks up a Yorkie more. Recall and other off-leash activities: some Yorkies just aren't good being off leash. I think the off leash activities are more prevalent in the UK than the US. Anyway, your boy definitely needs training first. Patience and a change in your outlook first. Sounds like you need help from a pro trainer.
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07-08-2016, 09:25 AM | #6 |
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| I saw your other thread with the photo of your very handsome Yorkie. His photo posing skills are expert level. yorkie.jpg I find it difficult to believe that this perfect model is aggressive and disobedient in the truest sense of the words. Can you provide video proof of an example?
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07-08-2016, 10:40 AM | #7 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: aiken, SC
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| Totally agree with what everyone says about the toys. I think they're supposed to wind him up! Mine loves growling and ripping apart things. And if he's ripping into a toy, he's not tearing into your couch!
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07-08-2016, 11:28 AM | #8 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: CA
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| He is only 8 months old and the things whatever you mentioned here are too common. All dogs do that. We recently got a yorkie, named Molly. We also have one golden retriever and his name is Alvi. When Alvi was 6 months older, he ripped apart an entire couch, many of my clothes (countless) and lots of other things. But gradually everything became alright though. Interestingly, we still want to watch him destroying things lol..we miss all those days. |
07-09-2016, 09:37 AM | #9 | |
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Another argument for leaving these babies with their mothers until they are 12-16 week old...your baby never received the necessary training momma dogs do with their own babies, teaching them how to be good citizens....it was left up to YOU to do that and unless you are clearly familiar with each stage of training/development in a puppy and its behavior development, as well as what momma dogs instinctively teach their young, at what age of development they do this, you are unfortunately clueless about this vital information. That being said, you now have a wild child at 8 months old that you have to get PROPER training for to make this baby socially acceptable. He is beautiful and I love that picture of him claiming his ball, thank you very much!!..... I think he will make a wonderful young man with the proper training! But you need to have someone that can adjust their training tactics, in order to best suit the needs of your dog...he is a hard headed young man, which most adolescent males of ALL species are, especially if they have never been trained!!!! Professional help, Patience, praise, and consistency.....all necessary for a positive outcome.... | |
07-09-2016, 11:10 AM | #10 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Okay you have a handful Buck up and now the work begins! Get you n your dog to a trainer. They will help you mould the team. If they can't do that find a new one. Training is best started with short bursts of time five to ten minutes or so. Sometimes changing your perspective about your dog can help immensely. Like I have a youngish gal and last week hubby said she is an airhead. That totally changed my training approach "...cause he was right.. So an airhead needs lots of variety and to stay focussed on you. She also needs consistent discipline. For eg my senior boy would never let me go more than ten feet away. She not so much. So at leash free parks she roams away from me, I walk the other way. Sometime she will ,look for me and I have hidden myself behind a tree for eg. Now she has to find me! When she does big whoops of joy and treats. Note I do not call her to me. Razzle w.as in training with his breeder from young puppyhood and with me from12wks old. It could be many reasons why your pup reacts as he does a trainer will help to determine this. In terms of toys all my pups like to decimate their toys. Kongs are very rugged and your boy will need to work to get that treat out Let us know how it goes
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07-09-2016, 04:45 PM | #11 |
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| You need to employ a trainer who can teach you what to expect from a Yorkie and how to train the dog properly. Yorkies are extremely intelligent so they are sometimes difficult to train for people who are used to very docile, easy going, simple dogs who just want a good run in the park and a bone at night. If you're frustrated, it's because you are expecting something which isn't realistic or you are trying to achieve your goal in an unrealistic manner. Trainers are great at not only training dogs but you, as well. If you can't find a trainer or don't know how to, call your vet for a referral or the RSPCA who can confirm who they use to train their dogs so that they can be adopted. Take a step back and remember that it is your responsibility to help this dog become the dog you know he can be. We didn't all get to where we are and how we are because we were born talented and amazing. We were fostered by our experiences and those of others and all this little dog has experienced so far is you and the environment you have created for him. He deserves patience, guidance and your loyalty and you will be rewarded for all of your hard work. Nothing better than a dogs love which, once earned, is forever. Good luck. |
07-11-2016, 10:54 AM | #12 |
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| This is very familiar.
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07-12-2016, 10:53 AM | #13 |
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| Agreed with everyone's suggestions: 1. Get a professional trainer. If what you've been trying hasn't work, a trainer can help you access and suggest different approaches. 2. Apply the obedience training techniques daily, preferably multiple times a day. 3. Don't let him frustrate you. Keep it cool (somehow? ) and don't shout at him - it won't do anything. Side note: Just think of it like your yelling is like 'barking' to him. If he's barking and you're 'barking' back, you can see, it doesn't resolve anything. I found that it's best to take a deep breath and be calm and confident. Exert a lot of confidence. You need to first believe in yourself that he will soon listen to you. Remove the thoughts that "he's a dick". And believe he can change. It's actually not up to him, but rather it's up to you. 4. Have a lot of patience with him and keeping daily training and you'll reap the rewards later. Yorkies are a very smart and very high energy breed. They do what they want and will do it the easiest way possible. You need to be persistent with him in the training and gain his respect. Each command needs a lot of patience to teach. Recall is actually one of the most difficult ones. Start with the easy ones. But more importantly, start with getting a really good trainer to help you come up with a plan. I know it may be very difficult because it got to this stage, but don't despair. As others said, he's testing you in his adolescent ways. Basically, you need to outsmart him and beat him in patience. He needs your guidance. And your trainer will help guide you.
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07-12-2016, 01:56 PM | #14 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Canada
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| I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but I would recommend getting an exam at the vet because some dogs tend to be aggressive when something bothers them.. even if it seems like there's no reason for the aggression. Also, is he getting daily walks? It's crucial for dogs to go out and sniff, pee and whatever they need to do. My dog had some behavioural issues and walking improved it significantly. My one year old Roy also didn't pay much attention to anything on his walks until he turned one. He still doesn't care for treats outside; he just wants to sniff around and go around marking. He was so excited about seeing other people that he didn't care about me and now I can walk off leash with him and he doesn't let me out of his sight. Somethings just change with age. Like others said, train him daily and be persistent. Don't expect miracles overnight. It might take a couple months but give it sometime and hopefully things will get better Last edited by Royla; 07-12-2016 at 01:59 PM. Reason: I wanted to add more information |
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