about going after feet and don't want to come when called still

[kikil]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Oh, trust me, she will come if you entice her with warm, boiled chicken or a chew bone or squeaky toy or whatever she loves and you do it as suggested and do it with enthusiasm, consistently, leadership and lots of loving patience. Trust me, dogs aren't that different - all it takes is someone they trust to work regularly and patiently with them over and over until they get it. And they do eventually get it and start to work and learn unless there is a problem. And you know what? The problem is almost always with the teacher. It sounds as if you have lost or never had your dog's complete trust from perhaps being a little scary to her, aren't patient enough, or it could be you don't represent an authority figure to her or don't have a lot of skills handling dogs. I recall a few threads from you in the past asking for help trying to teach or control her and good advice was given then. Sounds as if none of it worked that well for you but unless your dog is ill or has a learning disability, the problem is with the teacher and not the doggie. Wait - wait - don't feel bad - a lot of people can't train or handle dogs well!!! They either love them too much to be very firm or they are unsure themselves, may be a little too hard on the dog and expect too much - there can be many reasons why a dog can't learn from someone. Trust me - the majority of people are like that and that's probably why so many dogs are taken to Animal Shelters. You can call shelters and talk to works and misbehavior and lack of housebreaking are probably the biggest reasons people really give up their dogs. They may say they are moving or give some other excuse but the real reason - dog misbehavior/lack of housebreaking. They can't housebreak or teach them how to behave and the dog bites, barks all the time, jumps up on everybody that walks close to it, dirties the house and guards its food - things like that. Dogs like that can even get dangerous around the children. Lots and lots of folks like that that simply don't know how to train. And if you are one of those and your dog won't listen to you, for whatever reason, it is better to face it now and be done with trying to train your girl without some serious professional help.

That being the case, you will want to use a dog trainer who comes highly recommended for being able to teach people how to handle their dogs first and foremost and who can patiently sit down with you and step by step show you what to do, the right level of authority and enthusiasm and yet when to be matter-of-fact. There are likely no other answers for you unless you to find a good trainer who loves to teach people how to teach their own dogs and keep it up. I sure wish I lived close by you as I could show you how to work with and train your dog in such a way she would respond and enjoy the whole process.

A good trainer who has trained all kinds of dogs, even the toughest of tough cases, will get results with your dog and show you how to do that, too. You can likely find someone who is well-versed in dog-training and, more important, people training, who can come and show you exactly what to do and how to become a teacher and how to "read" your own dog as they change their moods, etc.. You might not find someone the first time or even the second but keep looking and you can likely find someone to help you out. Best of luck to you.

at one time we thought that she was listening and doing everything that we would wanted her to do. but at some point she turned around and went back the other way. I am not the only one she don't listen to everyone. we have tryed the toys she just look at like what are u doing with that and then she will turn and go the other way. But u could be right that I love her way to much at time I hate to be mean to her. but I know that I can and I have when she do sap or however u sp it at me. but she dont bit me. the only way she would so something like that is if u are trying to put med in her ears she really hate that.

now for the class we have had her in 2 class and she will listen to her and do what she need to do there. I think she was showing off for the teacher and the other dogs and there family. when we get home and I try to get her to do it so that everyone else in the family can see what she is doing. but she don't want to do she just to tired. but I try the next day and then she not into doing the class work that we just learn the yesterday. lot of the time it seem like it has to be her way or nothing at all. and that not going to work in this house. I have seen her listen to me when she on my bed when I want her right next to me little bit more often. but she wont do it any where else not even on my parents bed to much. I just wish that something work and where it would stay.

[AnneJ68]

Just started recall this week in obedience class so I might be able to help some.

First tip, do not use your call command until you have the dog's attention. Start with the dog's name, once you have their attention (eye contact) give your call command. The dog's attention is a must.

Do not use the command if no eye contact and there is no recourse. By recourse a way to MAKE the dog come to the command. For beginning training purposes start with training on a leash so you can give a gentle tug in your direction if there is no response.

Cheer like a nut, yes a nut, as soon as the dog starts to come in your direction. Sounds crazy but saw it work in class, gets the dog excited like "hey I must be doing something great," so it motivates to continue with their response. The trainer is real big on giving the command only once. Saying the command over and over and over for one attempt can be confusing for the dog.

Final tip from the trainer if you have been using your current command and no good results, the dog has already learned that "I don't always have to come" so consider using a different command.

Hope this helps.

[AnneJ68]

Oh and of course a cookie and a happy praise and a good rub once they come to you. That's extremely important. Positive reinforcement.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by kikil

at one time we thought that she was listening and doing everything that we would wanted her to do. but at some point she turned around and went back the other way. I am not the only one she don't listen to everyone. we have tryed the toys she just look at like what are u doing with that and then she will turn and go the other way. But u could be right that I love her way to much at time I hate to be mean to her. but I know that I can and I have when she do sap or however u sp it at me. but she dont bit me. the only way she would so something like that is if u are trying to put med in her ears she really hate that.

now for the class we have had her in 2 class and she will listen to her and do what she need to do there. I think she was showing off for the teacher and the other dogs and there family. when we get home and I try to get her to do it so that everyone else in the family can see what she is doing. but she don't want to do she just to tired. but I try the next day and then she not into doing the class work that we just learn the yesterday. lot of the time it seem like it has to be her way or nothing at all. and that not going to work in this house. I have seen her listen to me when she on my bed when I want her right next to me little bit more often. but she wont do it any where else not even on my parents bed to much. I just wish that something work and where it would stay.

Just get help. You are going to need a pro to teach you what to do and how to do it and the dog will follow when you get it right. Simple as that - a couple of sessions for you with a long-time trainer should give you the basics and give you the confidence and right touch you need with this dog. Get one-on-one training in the home - no classes right now. You need some handling skills is all. Don't stress over it any more.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by AnneJ68

Just started recall this week in obedience class so I might be able to help some.

First tip, do not use your call command until you have the dog's attention. Start with the dog's name, once you have their attention (eye contact) give your call command. The dog's attention is a must.

Do not use the command if no eye contact and there is no recourse. By recourse a way to MAKE the dog come to the command. For beginning training purposes start with training on a leash so you can give a gentle tug in your direction if there is no response.

Cheer like a nut, yes a nut, as soon as the dog starts to come in your direction. Sounds crazy but saw it work in class, gets the dog excited like "hey I must be doing something great," so it motivates to continue with their response. The trainer is real big on giving the command only once. Saying the command over and over and over for one attempt can be confusing for the dog.

Final tip from the trainer if you have been using your current command and no good results, the dog has already learned that "I don't always have to come" so consider using a different command.

Hope this helps.

we have been to 2 different class at petsmart one last year sometime and the year before. just maybe she did it in class beside showing off for everyone is that she was on the leash. we just might have to try it again with that. but she would think that she going for a car ride or going for a walk. but it is hard to get her to do the eye contact that is one of the big problems we do have with her.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Just get help. You are going to need a pro to teach you what to do and how to do it and the dog will follow when you get it right. Simple as that - a couple of sessions for you with a long-time trainer should give you the basics and give you the confidence and right touch you need with this dog. Get one-on-one training in the home - no classes right now. You need some handling skills is all. Don't stress over it any more.

I have been to pro teacher at petsmart one class last year and the year we got her. she would do what they wanted her to in the class but not at home. but the first time we took her over there she was slow at getting everything and still is at times. but I tryed to make sure that my parents knew on what should be done. but I think dad the first time around wasn't wanted to fall anythinng and part of me think that what messed things up but not to sure. he has been trying to help more with her. but sometime I dont' know what I am doing wrong if it my voice or the way I am doing it or what. but she my baby if I leave this house they wont be with me with her to help me only when I drop her off for them to watch her. since we never leave her home alone for nothing no matter what.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by kikil

I have been to pro teacher at petsmart one class last year and the year we got her. she would do what they wanted her to in the class but not at home. but the first time we took her over there she was slow at getting everything and still is at times. but I tryed to make sure that my parents knew on what should be done. but I think dad the first time around wasn't wanted to fall anythinng and part of me think that what messed things up but not to sure. he has been trying to help more with her. but sometime I dont' know what I am doing wrong if it my voice or the way I am doing it or what. but she my baby if I leave this house they wont be with me with her to help me only when I drop her off for them to watch her. since we never leave her home alone for nothing no matter what.

I wouldn't get a trainer from one of the pet stores but one of the trainers in your area that comes with a history of working with owners who lack dog skills and their website and testimonials should testify to that over and over. A good trainer can train and help even a "slow" dog learn and understands how to appeal to their particular wants and needs. Discussing what you dog can't, will and won't do here is not helping the dog in the way she needs, really, is it?

You really won't find any magic bullet here when you actually need someone to see how you train and how you interact with your dog as well as that of other household members. They will then understand what skills you and your family lack and show you how to overcome those things. It's more attitude, confidence, gravitas and an innate ability to actually read or assess a dog's sense of self and state of mind and what it needs to get/keep its attention and motivate it to WANT to do what you ask. You can learn from a skilled trainer how to read a dog and sense its insecurity, fears and actual teachable quality and then how to bypass those things and get it set for training so that she is eager to learn - even a "slow" dog.

Without those skills, you won't have long-lasting success training a dog and could wind up with a dog that one day bites from fear and aggression at times. You'll have to have a hands-on trainer and they won't accept excuses from you for why this didn't work and why that won't work. They'll just say, forget that, relax and listen to me and here is what we do first. And second. And third. And what you do when the dog loses focus, barks in your face, jumps up, back off as if scared, etc.. They will set you up for success with your dog and you too can have a great pet.

Go research and find yourself a good professional trainer with real credentials for working to train people how to help their misbehaving dogs. Training a dog without training you won't help - you have to have skills yourself or you will have a little rascal that is always acting up. That's unnecessary when it is so easy to learn how to do it right if you choose an excellent trainer. Start by calling around - talk to everybody and call the service-dog academy kennel trainers nearest you and respectable vets, animal shelters, reputable dog breeders who have/breed show dogs and ask them all for family pet trainers they know of who can work with plain, regular people who don't have dog skills.

It will cost you some $ but if you don't, your dog's behavior might very well get worse and worse and it won't be her fault at all. Sell some things or cancel some services you can do without for a while but save the money for a couple of sessions with a real pro. No pet accessories or top notch dog food or anything else is as important as helping a dog that is always misbehaving and is still biting at feet and acting out as those behaviors do tend to escalate to the point you can no longer accept them in your home. You dog is helpless to help herself and needs her loving owner to find help yourself so you can help her.

[chinalee61]

My girl is a year old, and she won't come when called either. She's a stub burn little girl. Always has her own agenda!

[kikil]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I wouldn't get a trainer from one of the pet stores but one of the trainers in your area that comes with a history of working with owners who lack dog skills and their website and testimonials should testify to that over and over. A good trainer can train and help even a "slow" dog learn and understands how to appeal to their particular wants and needs. Discussing what you dog can't, will and won't do here is not helping the dog in the way she needs, really, is it?

You really won't find any magic bullet here when you actually need someone to see how you train and how you interact with your dog as well as that of other household members. They will then understand what skills you and your family lack and show you how to overcome those things. It's more attitude, confidence, gravitas and an innate ability to actually read or assess a dog's sense of self and state of mind and what it needs to get/keep its attention and motivate it to WANT to do what you ask. You can learn from a skilled trainer how to read a dog and sense its insecurity, fears and actual teachable quality and then how to bypass those things and get it set for training so that she is eager to learn - even a "slow" dog.

Without those skills, you won't have long-lasting success training a dog and could wind up with a dog that one day bites from fear and aggression at times. You'll have to have a hands-on trainer and they won't accept excuses from you for why this didn't work and why that won't work. They'll just say, forget that, relax and listen to me and here is what we do first. And second. And third. And what you do when the dog loses focus, barks in your face, jumps up, back off as if scared, etc.. They will set you up for success with your dog and you too can have a great pet.

Go research and find yourself a good professional trainer with real credentials for working to train people how to help their misbehaving dogs. Training a dog without training you won't help - you have to have skills yourself or you will have a little rascal that is always acting up. That's unnecessary when it is so easy to learn how to do it right if you choose an excellent trainer. Start by calling around - talk to everybody and call the service-dog academy kennel trainers nearest you and respectable vets, animal shelters, reputable dog breeders who have/breed show dogs and ask them all for family pet trainers they know of who can work with plain, regular people who don't have dog skills.

It will cost you some $ but if you don't, your dog's behavior might very well get worse and worse and it won't be her fault at all. Sell some things or cancel some services you can do without for a while but save the money for a couple of sessions with a real pro. No pet accessories or top notch dog food or anything else is as important as helping a dog that is always misbehaving and is still biting at feet and acting out as those behaviors do tend to escalate to the point you can no longer accept them in your home. You dog is helpless to help herself and needs her loving owner to find help yourself so you can help her.

the person we did it with is a real trainer at petsmart. and I have looked for other trainers. but the problem with that is we can't find anyone around here. I live in a small town and all u are going to get are the one at petsmart or petco places like that. what I did find online are places that are in big city and they are like 8 hours or more from me. and cost way to much for me to even think about going up that way or even for them to come down here. some don't say they would do at home work or if they did it would be way to much and if I did save the money it would be a year or 2 before I could get the money. but then again it's been a while since I have looked for something like that and they might have some closer. but then again I might be looking things up for the wrong thing online.

we thought that we had her listening and stop going after our feet for a long time. so what could make her go back on us that the thing we are not to sure about. did we do something to make her do that. she has never bit anyone the only way she would bit anyone would be if u put med in her ears and she hate that more then anything. if u give her a little while she fine goes back to playing with u like nothing has happen. but she will never go after anyone else or kids she love kids. she like it when other want to pet her.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by chinalee61

My girl is a year old, and she won't come when called either. She's a stub burn little girl. Always has her own agenda!

at lest I am not alone with this. I just think she hard heaed. she just want to it her own way.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by kikil

the person we did it with is a real trainer at petsmart. and I have looked for other trainers. but the problem with that is we can't find anyone around here. I live in a small town and all u are going to get are the one at petsmart or petco places like that. what I did find online are places that are in big city and they are like 8 hours or more from me. and cost way to much for me to even think about going up that way or even for them to come down here. some don't say they would do at home work or if they did it would be way to much and if I did save the money it would be a year or 2 before I could get the money. but then again it's been a while since I have looked for something like that and they might have some closer. but then again I might be looking things up for the wrong thing online.

we thought that we had her listening and stop going after our feet for a long time. so what could make her go back on us that the thing we are not to sure about. did we do something to make her do that. she has never bit anyone the only way she would bit anyone would be if u put med in her ears and she hate that more then anything. if u give her a little while she fine goes back to playing with u like nothing has happen. but she will never go after anyone else or kids she love kids. she like it when other want to pet her.

That trainer might have been a real trainer but obviously didn't really help you. Keep looking and talk to the service-dog academies for professional trainers with a long history working with people with few dog skills who also have disabilities, so they really have excellent people skills, too. All really good trainers of service dogs know how to assess people's dog-handling abilities fairly quickly and train/coach them in handling dogs despite whatever skills and abilities they might lack. That is the type of trainer you need to use in order to get to where you want to be with your dog.

It is possible that as your dog ages and matures, she could mellow out and accommodate to you but the stronger likelihood is that she will escalate her misbehavior without your getting skilled in some ways to motive and deal with her. I wish I could offer you more but the basics of animal training have all been explained to you many times and it hasn't helped, hon. You need a really skilled trainer who deals with this kind of problem often.

[kimp5]

maybe she views you as a pal and not her pack leader. She doesnt see you in that role. So it may be you have to go back to day one and make her realize YOU are in charge not her. I got alot of this advice on here and it did help my kids get more control over our dog.
Stop trying to train her to do commands. Go back to step one and get her to respect you as the boss.
Be firm with her (not yell) firm. Try almost growling when you see her doing something wrong (sounds strange but they equate it with being with their first leader, mom.)
When she does not comply, ignore her. Completely. Turn your back. If she is nipping at your feet, pick her up and put her in another room alone for 15 minutes. Do not take her out until she is quiet for 15 minutes. She starts again with the feet, do it again. Keep doing it until she gets that that behavior is unacceptable.
If she is behaving she earns some play time with you. If she gets over excited and starts nipping at the feet again, tell her firm NO and put her in the room for 15 minutes. You have to do it EVERY time until she gets it..
Once she sees you as the leader I think the command training will come easier but I think you need to abandon the commands until she views you as the boss..good luck!

[kikil]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

That trainer might have been a real trainer but obviously didn't really help you. Keep looking and talk to the service-dog academies for professional trainers with a long history working with people with few dog skills who also have disabilities, so they really have excellent people skills, too. All really good trainers of service dogs know how to assess people's dog-handling abilities fairly quickly and train/coach them in handling dogs despite whatever skills and abilities they might lack. That is the type of trainer you need to use in order to get to where you want to be with your dog.

It is possible that as your dog ages and matures, she could mellow out and accommodate to you but the stronger likelihood is that she will escalate her misbehavior without your getting skilled in some ways to motive and deal with her. I wish I could offer you more but the basics of animal training have all been explained to you many times and it hasn't helped, hon. You need a really skilled trainer who deals with this kind of problem often.

well I do know that a lot of other people that she has help as said that she worked really well with there dogs. but mine could be very hard headed. it would be nice to find someone to come to the house to see if we are doing things right at home or if there was something at home that making her be this way. and thanks for all the help u have giving me.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by kimp5

maybe she views you as a pal and not her pack leader. She doesnt see you in that role. So it may be you have to go back to day one and make her realize YOU are in charge not her. I got alot of this advice on here and it did help my kids get more control over our dog.
Stop trying to train her to do commands. Go back to step one and get her to respect you as the boss.
Be firm with her (not yell) firm. Try almost growling when you see her doing something wrong (sounds strange but they equate it with being with their first leader, mom.)
When she does not comply, ignore her. Completely. Turn your back. If she is nipping at your feet, pick her up and put her in another room alone for 15 minutes. Do not take her out until she is quiet for 15 minutes. She starts again with the feet, do it again. Keep doing it until she gets that that behavior is unacceptable.
If she is behaving she earns some play time with you. If she gets over excited and starts nipping at the feet again, tell her firm NO and put her in the room for 15 minutes. You have to do it EVERY time until she gets it..
Once she sees you as the leader I think the command training will come easier but I think you need to abandon the commands until she views you as the boss..good luck!

ur right I don't think she see me full as the boss. just as someone she can play with and go after whenever she fell like it. now I have to find a places to put her for a while after she does it. I do say NO firm but she just don't care. I have even tryed to walk away from her all she does fall me and try to get my feet that way. now if it was just mine I wouldn't say to much about it. but she going after my mom feet. and that we don't want her to. she does have type 2 dibitiy I am not to sure on to spell it. and she does have problems with her feet at time. one of this days Fancy going to get us to fall and we just might go down on her and she wouldn't like that at all. but I will try to get her to think of me as a boss and her mom and someone to play with too. just have to keep up the work. maybe everyone has to do the samething don't u think or just me first and then someone else in the family or what.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by kikil

well I do know that a lot of other people that she has help as said that she worked really well with there dogs. but mine could be very hard headed. it would be nice to find someone to come to the house to see if we are doing things right at home or if there was something at home that making her be this way. and thanks for all the help u have giving me.

Hard-headed is kind of a misnomer with dogs. They are just improperly motivated and when you find their currency, they will work and learn. In fact, they prefer it. Tibbe will choose training over a walk every time! Unless he's starving, he'd rather train and learn than eat. Even "slow" dogs can learn where the water and food dishes are and remember what time to expect a family member home and where the toys are kept. And unless they are scent dogs, it's NOT done from scenting those objects - they remember. If you take the bowls up and move them, for a while they will keep going back to where they used to set. They remember their name and alert when you call it. A "hard-headed" dog is usually just one that a trainer hasn't properly motivated with enthusiasm or authority or pride or interest or all combined.

Face it - some trainers are BORING and only a Border Collie or Standard Poodle would do well with them. I watch them and think - why would I do anything extraordinary for that person? No fire - no authority - no fun!

A skilled trainer of service dogs that also works with matching and training clients with dogs and training that person how to interact with and continue to train that dog to serve them will know how to "train" you - show you what to do and how to act when you are training and living with your "hard-headed"(unmotivated) girl.

Almost anyone can find enough things to make a good yard-sale and do without some of the extra's they live with for a while if really motivated to get some help for themselves and their dog. Not saying it is easy but it can be done and when you find a truly good trainer with a history of pairing dogs with people of disability and training those people how to handle and train that dog to perform new behaviors and services it needs to learn, you will likely have to part with good cash for purchase of those services.

But I promise you if she teaches you how to handle your dog and train her happily to do what you request, you will be thrilled with the money spent! A well-trained, well-behaved, happy and healthy dog is a pleasure and a daily bonus to life! Having a dog that is bouncing around happy, having fun but not bolting out an open door and running down the block, one that settles down when requested to and will drop that pain pill out of its mouth when you tell it to rather than gulp it down - those dogs are a pleasure to be around and gift to your life. They don't nip ankles or chew woodwork or couch pillows and learn to control their impulses often with just a stern look from you or at most a pointed finger. Yet, they stay happy and motivated because they know you will almost always get up and reward/praise and kiss them - give them a little hug - take the time to thank them. Oh, how you will love having a dog that happily co-exists with you without misbehaving and keeping you upset! There is a better way and good dog skills will get you there.