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Cesar Millan "Showdown" with Holly This is so sad and such a WRONG way to deal with a resource guarder. I've lost almost any respect I had left for him. |
The dog was giving warnings and clear signals left and right... he kept creating more tension, completely ignoring her signals until the only thing she could resort to was biting. This is a dog that, to me, actually has great self control. She could have hurt him a LOT worse... she gave her warnings, told him to back away... the dog felt threatened and corned and had no other choice. Cesar: "didn't see that one coming...". Yeah. Understatement of the year. :rolleyes: A great analysis of the video: http://canineaggression.blogspot.com...s-trainer.html |
I read his book because it was so highly recommended. All I heard in my head was som "MANS" being the alpha stuff. Dont care for his technique at all. |
I didn't watch the video as the dog looks familiar and I just read jadabug's thread about a skin she found and am creeped but Isn't this the episode that was on a couple weeks back where that dog bites the heck out of him????? If so, I don't blame that dog one tiny iota! He begged for that poor scared dog to bite him! And then, he took it, didn't he??? If that is the episode I'm thinking about called "Cesar's Worst Bite" or something like that, he takes the dog from the couple for his own to his ranch or whatever and the show ended. So that dog will be getting more of that treatment as he "rehabs" it! I hadn't seen a show of his in forever(for reasons just like this) and I saw that title and had to see what he did to get bit, figuring I knew ahead of time and sure enough, it was a case of jabbing it, pushing it to its limits, bullying it until it snapped. And then he said it was too vicious to stay around the couple's toddler, if it's the one I'm thinking about, and he took it a month or so later. Poor dog. I hope one of his gentler handlers works with it or it goes to another trainer, rescue org. |
I don't care for his techniques at all JMO. How do you give her the food then say good girl and try to take it away:confused: I don't know what exactly he is trying to teach her. :thumbdown I agree with Jeanie seems like he is being a bully to the poor girl:( |
Why would he challenge that poor dog like that??? I agree that she could have hurt him much worse. I haven't watched his show in quite a while but I have never seen him challenge a dog so aggressively before. He was just asking for what happened. It is not a Lab's nature to go after a person to that extent. You could tell she didn't want to do it. I think he was embarrassed about it and that is why he stopped the session. His fame must have gone to his head. |
I saw this video and an article about this session. I feel the same as you Brit. |
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:thumbdown I dont like him at all.. never really did. I feel bad for the dog, |
i had a female yellow lab who passed away at the age of 13 and she never acted that way. Of course she was trained from day 1 as all my dogs are// never has any of my dogs had food aggression like that. i feel sorry for the dog/ it isnt her fault that she was not trained and why was he not using a rubber arm that I see on alot of the shows on animal planet |
I saw this video recently and it made me lose all respect for Cesar. This was showboating, not training or correcting. This would have made a much better PSA on how NOT to behave around a dog. :thumbdown |
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yes sadly there were a few of his techniques i use like stopping when walking. but sadly he has proven to be not so great in the things i have read and seen here plus reviews online. i have lost respect also. |
I lost respect for him over the years. I dislike many of his techniques like kicking the dog and I have seen him pinch the carotid artery. Of course a dog would submit when your doing that. He has a poor reputation with trainers who use positive reinforcement training. Of course the dog was going to react he disregarded the cues and cornered her. I hope she was not punished by him for biting him when the camera's were off and she was at his compound. |
I have read all of your comments. I was a faithful watcher for several years but when he moved to a different channel I lost interest. I have always been afraid of food aggressive dogs. When that lab first growled and showed it's teeth I really tensed up. For the rest of the video I was very stressed and tense. I saw him kick the dog when she bite and clung on to his hand - what else could he do to release the bite? I would have kicked too but then I wouldn't be in that dog's face. They have a child in the house with that dog - the dog would have to go. |
I have never watched a lot of his shows but the ones I did see were early on in the series. He always seemed to be able to get to a dog without using physical punishment or verbal abuse as most owners would. I agree with his idea of making the mind move forward when there is an issue of fear or compulsion. I have never seen such stupidity and all out disrespect for a dog as is seen in that video. Did they actually put that clip on national television? Seems like that would be enough to rate a cancellation. |
I use casear however I felt alot of his methods were for more larger dogs so I stopped. |
His specific area of training is with pit bulls, they do IMO require a specialty method, howver he blends pit methods with many basic general methods and applies it to many dog breeds. I know a lot of trainers and behavioralist just despise him because of this and how pipular he is spreading his way to others. Another new member here just talked about using his method and now the are using a collar to leash train their yorkie...so sad. I prefer Victoria Stilwell but disagree with her opinion on dog cloths. I now see Cesar as doing more harm than good honestly, he's no dog whisperer, he uses a lot of old style training methods and only gained fame because he caitored to the famous and wealthy, not because he actually worked with rehabilitating so call untrainable dogs as his show blogs and books claim. |
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I think he started out with Pit Bulls and Rottweilers. Either way I think his fame has gone to his head. |
Do I blame him for kicking at the dog....honestly no. When we get attacked we react, sometimes in a way we would not choose to but our brain says SURVIVE DEFEND OR FLEE. I blame him for the situation resulting in a bite. As others abd he said numerous signs the dog gave, the dog never got out of defend mode, heck I saw yhe bite coming! |
Truly, almost any alpha-acting new person who is self-confident, unemotional, and has ways new and novel to the dog can walk into a situation and get a dog's attention and usually their respect, getting them to behave and submit better than usually-tense, worried owners who are less than strong leaders, despite what the trainers' methods are. Dogs are such great responders and "team players", most will almost gladly try to react appropriately and please accordingly, grateful for a different approach by anyone, as usually their situation is pretty tense and worrisome to them. The majority of misbehaving dogs would love to find a way out of it their problem as long as the trainer keeps things positive & sets the dog up for success, even though the process of changing ways can be a bit unsettling to some dogs. But even those dogs that feel tense & unsure as the new training beings usually don't react as Holly did unless the trainer is using only the harshest and most overbearing of training methods. |
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This is from an article in 2009. The video link is no longer valid "I do not watch much television, and haven't seen a full episode of The Dog Whisperer. A few days ago, I received an email from a veterinarian specializing in animal behavior, urging me to watch this Dog Whisperer video clip. I admit, it was a difficult video to watch. In this video, Cesar Millan uses a choke collar to subdue an aggressive dog, finally pinning it on the ground. Millan is bit several times in the process, and I question the health of the dog during this clip (blue tongue). Debra F. Horwitz, DVM, DACVB, a board-certified veterinary behaviorist, offers her commentary of the video here: dog training gone bad." |
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wow...even inexperienced me could see that bite coming!!! why would you purposly challenge the dog? the dog clearly submitted and still caesar was at him...he was asking to be bitten! The poor dog saw no other alternative...I had a lab years ago and it never bit me, not one time...and I had no idea what i was doing! I have never has aggression problems with any of the dogs I have owned, but I know enough to know you don't go over a dogs head...even for a pat! Always under the chin...am I wrong? That is just common sense no? I WAS purchasing his magazine ...won't buy another copy as I have lost all respect for him! |
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He's turned into an arrogant showman... I don't see dog training on his show. All he spouts over and over is dominance crap. |
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Brit, seriously, my guess is that at this point YOU are a better dog trainer than CM! Have you thought about starting a blog for you and Jackson? Or doing any of the training certs mentioned in your second post? Oh, also -- that guy who fired me a couple weeks ago has Labs, all of whom are sent to "boot camp" to learn to behave. :roll eyes: Cause you know, Labs are so hard to train. He was bragging how his Lab will Down/Stay forever before getting her food, even to the point where they've forgotten to release her for hours. |
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