I'm done!
You didn't come here for advice you are just like the last posted who asked for advice then went on for days about how great their Dad's physical punishment training was...lame!
Drama, nonsense, backwards pathetic thinking!
Here everyone needs a laugh before you ruin the name Sparta associating it with animal cruelty!


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i came here for advice and it didnt work, im not trying to start anything. but spartas slowly starting to pee on the weewee pad and shes walking on my right side only now and occasionally getting ahead of me til i give her a
slight tug. we have a great relationship with still the occasional defiance. just because a method is old doesnt mean its wrong.

just listen... im gonna be on this forum for a while, please dont judge me or my methods as i am not judging yours. everyones entitled to there own opinion.

I feel terribly sorry for Sparta.:( It's totally disgusting to hit a tiny yorkie and try to convince people it is the right thing to do. It isn't!

I owned a German Shepard, Rottweiler, and a Mastiff. Although they need firm pack leader training. I never layed a hand on any of my "bully" breeds. There is no excuse, and the fact you think it's ok to hit an BABY yorkie for "defiance" is sickening. :mad: I decided to avoid this thread early on, but after reading your response I couldn't any more. :thumbdown:thumbdown:thumbdown

Wow.. I was kind of surprised to read this thread... But I was appauled at your response on hitting your baby :eek:. You keep saying that you're not hitting her hard enough to hurt her... does that justify your actions?? I can't believe you think this is ok. Any dog can be trained through a stern NO and positive reinforcement. Just ask Victoria Stilwell. Besides she's 4 months thats only a BABY!!! Do you really expect her to be perfectly trained and 100% obedient at such a YOUNG age?? I mean we as humans aren't fully potty trained (on average) until about 2-3 YEARS of age and most of us never are 100% obedient. Most dogs are potty trained and very well behaved by the age of 1 or less, so the least you could do is work with her and give a LITTLE BIT OF TIME to learn. I can't believe that we as humans feel we even have the right to lay a harmful hand on another precious life... I don't care if its just a tap, it was done for the wrong reasons. Coming from a house where "physical discipline" (if thats what you want to call it) was used everytime I made a mistake. I feel very strongly about this. I'll spare you the details, but because your baby can't speak up and tell you what you are doing IS WRONG then I will join everyone else in saying that WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS WRONG! Please don't hit her.. How would you like it if someone was there hitting you every time you used the bathroom because you had to go??? I mean that's what you are doing to Sparta she's a baby and when she's got to go she's got to go, so if she uses it in the house that's your fault. You should've been watching her.

Another thing... you keep saying how your father did this and that with his dogs. Well just let me say... your father got lucky. Most dogs don't really tolerate "physical discipline" very well. I mean after a while they get tired and snap. And who could blame them??? Wouldn't you get tired of someone hitting you for doing things that were natural to you. Instead of them telling you what you did was wrong and showing you how to fix it?? Doesn't that just sound way better than being hit?? Every dog is different, Sparta is only a helpless harmless baby right now, but you can't continue to be physical with her. Who's to say she won't be the one to snap?? A dog can only take so much (the same goes for humans)... I guess what I'm saying is just put yourself in her place... Lets see how you take to being hit.

I think we may have a little :poof_gremlin: in our midst.

But if the OP is truly serious, I volunteer to come and use your training methods on you. I wouldn't mind smacking someone around with a rolled magazine (firm enough to get their attention but not hard enough to hurt them, mind you- ok, if it hurts a bit, I won't mind). I've got a little bit of pent up energy that I could vent through some yelling, too. Blah blah, blah blah blah blah... How does that work for you?

Physical punishment of a dog is limited to those who aren't smart enough to figure out any other way of training.

***Sits idly by waiting for the polite police to come write me another ticket**

I agree with all the posters here, no hitting please! It IS your FAULT if she messes on the floor. I've only had my yorkie mix close to 3 weeks and these are different little babies! She hasn't been with you long enough to know and trust you yet, and all you are doing is making her DISTRUST you from the get go. The first day or so I had Mojo, I took him out every 15-20 minutes so that he would make less mistakes, and he is close to 1 year old. I did this for a couple of days and then gradually increased the amount of time I waited to take him after that. Remember though, a puppy has a very small bladder, and it may be a bit before they can hold their wee/woo for long periods. Make sure feeding time is at the same time everyday. I feed my babies at 12 noon everyday. This gives them until bedtime to eliminate outside, but everyone is different. Some like first in the morning, others like to feed when they eat too, as bonding. While you can't take water away from them all day, this will help with pooing. This is what I did to help speed Mojo's training along. Don't even try to teach heeling for now, just concentrate on 1 thing at a time. Set a time to take her out and stick to it! If it needs to be every 15 minutes, do it. A dog will most times want to bathroom within 1-5 minutes after eating or waking, and even play can give them the urge, so no waiting to take her out. If she mistakes on the floor, no punishment- she will not understand why she's being chastised and it might even give her the impression that going in the house is not bad, but doing it in front of you is, so she may start to sneak behind your back in other rooms to do her job. Keep the leash by the front door, and every single time you go to take her out, ask her something like ' YOU WANNA DO BUISNESS? or DO YOU NEED TO GO OUTSIDE? Pick 1 phrase and repeat this over and over while hooking her leash. Take her outside to spots where she's wee/wooed before, she will smell the scent and this will stimulate her to go again. Go to this place in your yard first and stay in that area until she does her job. Then you can take her for walks around the yard. If you take her all over the yard she can get distracted from her reason for going out and hold it until you get back inside and mess the carpet. While in the area, repeat another phrase to her like DO BUSINESS or GO POTTY. Don't play with her in this area, but don't be stern either, just keep repeating the phrase in a pleasant voice. When she starts to squat or get in the poo position start praising her right then, with good girl, way to go or smart baby in your happiest, highest voice! Don't wait until she is done to praise her as she might not connect your words to what she has just done. Then when done, you can give her a small treat or love her up and take her for a little yard walk as a reward. I would always walk for a few mins after no matter what. If she loves to be outside and you take her back in right after potty, she may again hold it in order to get more outside time and then potty your floor once inside again. A crate is helpful for the times when you take them outside and no matter how long you stand there and phrase the potty word for them they just don't go. If it's been a long time outside for you and you need to go back in, you can put her in the crate or even a small room with a baby gate up, wait 5-10 mins and take her back out again. Don't crate her for an hour, she's just a puppy. Never make the crate a punishment place. I admit, Mojo was older so he may have learned rather quickly, but in the 3 weeks I've had him, he is now housebroke, he gets all excited when I ask him if he needs to go out, when I tell he to do business, he finds a spot and does it. Then we walk awhile and I ask him if he wants to go back in as we are heading for the door and he beats me to the steps. It takes time and it will get easier for you, you'll see. Just keep being consistent. Try to put yourself in her shoes, what if you had moved into a family of strangers for only 5 days and even though they seem nice and act all friendly one minute, all of a sudden you were being whipped everytime you turned around and you didn't know why???? She would have to know how to do all of these things before she would even understand why she's being whipped. Take one lesson at a time, be consistant, teach it well and then move on to the next lesson. She can't learn them all at one time. Hope this helps.

oh, sorry, puppies need to be fed different from adults, so however many times you feed, keep it on a schedule. :)

No thank you please, I'm good I'll pass.:cool:

Yes please stay & learn! :thumbup:

Read more! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

There is also this wonderful ignore function if you don't like a certain person or what they have to say...just wanted to put that out there for others.

Rhetts_mama and I were obviously separated at birth ;)
not like minded but exact. :p

FYI for others it's wise to train your dog "go potty"

because in the event something should happen to you, your dog for whatever reason a basic uncomplicated word should be used for all commands.
Sit
stay
potty
down
back
etc
not your own code words for basic behaviors...just in-case.

I sure agree on this for a puppy. Mine just happen to be older so I can use more words, but basic, simple ones are best. Just was trying to give an idea, not exact phrases OP.

You really make me feel sad for you dog. My mom hit Callie once and the look in Callie's eyes was one of a confused and scared little dog as I believe any dog would be when getting hit. You might think your not hurting her but how do you know? Did she tell you?

This method as been through many tests along with other training methods and has been found cruel and not good for the dog physically and mentally. I am going to judge you and I judge you a pretty darn bad person that you would hit a small dog. I hope you stay around and I hope you learn a lot especially how to treat a dog!

This Is Sparta:...

Why are you being defiant?

Do you wanna get whacked with a magazines?

Touche Logic...

You have had this poor pup only 5 days and you think she is being defiant...OMG.

I have to say that if you hit me with a magazine, yelled and tugged at me .... I would be more than defiant .... I might even bite you in the @ss.

Hopefully you will listen to the great advice given by others here. Yorkies are not like german shepards and other pups and yours is too new to understand what you want her to do.

all too familiar .........................

i dont understand why you guys are comparing a canine to yourselves as human beings. OBVIOUSLY if i hit you youre gonna react and get mad and all that other nonsense you guys are saying. BUT if I give a little spanking to a 2 to 8 year old human that human child is not going to react like you adults, that human child is going to understand that he did something bad, so please stop saying how you would obviously react if i would hit you, because you are not a dog and you never will be.

and believe me, ive never heard of a human child (including myself) react to a gentle spanking in anger and hitting back and whatever you guys wanna do back to me.

and im sorry for the people who got abused, but thats what it was "abuse" a spanking is a spanking, HUGE difference. if your parents abused you then you dont really know what a spanking is.

But hitting a dog only scares it and does the opposite of what you want. That isn't training at all. Training is all those things I mentioned in my post - positive reinforcement and repetition and lots of patience. Dogs and many animals react to fight or flight and have other similar responses to humans to many things and fear is one of them.

Wow, you really don't want to learn how to train this puppy or take any advice at all. Not really sure why you would want a dog if it causes you so much distress. 4 month old puppies aren't defiant, they are puppies.

My dad was an old school trainer too...papers, slippers, hand...one thing all his dogs had in common was random aggression. They were super well trained but every once in a while...they got aggressive when someone other than my dad tried to train them. Aggression breeds aggression.

I am looking forward to your postings a year from now (Vet bills for damages caused, aggression issues, shyness and anxiety in little Sparta)

Instead of lashing out saying what you're doing is right...maybe take some advice from those who have dogs that are not defiant and don't use your old school training routines.

If you insist on using physical punishment you need to know the "right" way to do it...although I disagree with it completely! However, there seems to be no changing your mind.

Here are some tips and some advice:
Using Physical Punishments in Training Your Dog

Again, I am totally against it but if you're insistent on it you may as well know what to do and what not to do.

I apologize to other YT members for posting this. And for those of you looking at this thread after getting a new puppy...do not use physical punishment for your dog...there are a million better ways to train an animal.

i like the way youre talking to me, thanks. we have different views but youre not like the others.

this is the way im looking at it, shes not so much scared as she is worried that she did something wrong, i mean, after all that being "scared" shes right in my arms again after about 15 minutes that i will not play with her for being bad. and right after i spank her shes following me all over the place seemingly wanting forgiveness.

i dont know, thats just the way i see it

Then again, you're comparing human comprehension to a dog. Dogs do not understand like a human that they're getting spanked because they did ssomething they shouldn't have. There is not that mental connection!!

Once again, your methods of hitting aren't working for this pet! So why to you insist on trying to stick with them??

We're trying to give you advice on how to handle it, and how Yorkies are different with training, yet to still defend this ancient methods of training that are getting you nowhere, hence your orignial post for help!

I have to say, my father (bless his heart) has always raised his dogs like your father. For the most part he has always had very large dogs and sure they do love him and want to be around him but they also know that if they do something wrong they are gonna get it. Love my father but his dogs do fear him and I know for one that is not how I want my dogs to live.

I remember one time years ago, I was only in about the third grade. My father had a GSD who would get "spanked" when she would have an accident. We were in the car one day headed to a dog training class and she had to go, she must have had an upset tummy because it was horrid smelling and runny. She had the accident in the floorboard of the car and then before we knew what was happening she jumped right out the open window on a busy street with the car moving! Now that is fear! Thank God she managed not to get hit by a car and he got her back unharmed. He felt so bad of course she didn't get in trouble but at that moment after she did what she couldn't help she was afraid of the spanking that would come. My father in no way "abused" her but did use physical punishment and the dog had a great fear of him at times. I am not sure how you can feel making a dog fear you is a good thing.

There are better ways. Sure you may be succeeding in making her an obedient dog (at times) but if you say she doesn't fear her physical punishment then I would say you are living with your head in the clouds.

You also made another comment about comparing ourselves with a canine, just rang through in my head as you saying "it's just a dog" Nope not what you said exactly but that was the way I heard it. Your "dog" has feelings and fears just like a human and in my eyes even worse as they don't understand why a lot of things happen where a human will understand and can process it better.

All of that said, just how big is your Yorkie? I have to wonder if you realize that a magazine is probably the same size as her/him and so obviously not an appropriate thing to use if you still insisted on this physical punishment. My father right or wrong used a few pages out of the newspaper for a full grown GSD, big difference.

No one is trying to be mean or start anything with you but just try to make you realize there are better ways to accomplish what you are trying to do. Please rethink your ways. No, just because it is an old way of thinking does not make it wrong (there other things about it that make it wrong) but does that mean that if there is new evidence that a new way works better you can't evolve with the times and explore the new ways?

Honestly, that thinking is NOT right as if you looked into almost any dog who has been seriously mistreated and even abused they still look to please the very humans who have done it to them. So while I am not saying you have abused her I am saying that no matter what you did to her the chances are that she would still look to be accepted and to please you...THAT is just a dog.

Just dropping in to say a quick :wavey: I am just wondering if your brothers the engineering student, hawk on a leash dude, the brother who lost his yorkie in the blizzard, the murdering boyfriend on the roof or the fighter pilot are all doing well. They haven't been around for well at least a few months. With Thanksgiving just a week away I'm sure you will have a very interesting holiday meal. I can just imagine the tales that are told around the dinner table. I gotta run but just wanted to send up a great big :happythx:


:wavey:

i would never think of a dog as "just a dog, I have always treated my dogs as dogs and a member of my family. My chihuahua always slept on the bed with me cuddles real close, my german shepard always wanted to come into my room to sleep on the floor.treating the dogs like family is also why i am choosing physical punishment, because if i had kids i would spank them. dogs are as much family to me as my parents/brother. but when i say that i have always treated them also like dogs its because you dont treat them exactly like human beings. and also god forbid a situation ever arises where its between a human family member and my dog, (like say a fire) id be forced to choose my human family member.

the first german shepard i had unfortunatly got hit by a car, she was internally bleeding, i felt like we were so connected, and especially how she limped all the way upstairs to my room basically to die lying there with me til we brought her to the vet.

So basically i have always had a very close bond with my pets, so has my dad. maybe your way works too, thats not to say its better. in the real world of dogs in the wild theres always an alpha male, one that slaps around the others and leads the pack. im basically the alpha male providing discipline but with 110 percent loving 5 percent physical punishment.

Then obviously you don't know cr*p about human development. I hope to heck you don't have kids or ever have them. Your methods of training would earn you a call to CPS in a heart beat. You need to justify your in ability to effectively train. Poor dog being stuck with such limited owner.

I'm with megansmomma on this. The writing style is all too familiar. Scrolling over to put this one on "ignore".

So are you guys saying this is a troll? Oh man, boo! People are so screwed up...I swear...

im real, ive never been here before and and i really do own a yorkie-poo named Sparta.

geesh you guys have an extremely low tolerance level for people that have different views than your own.

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