I am going to be very blunt here. It is not merciless, it is called experience with this breed. This is what I think, if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. Here is the deal. He posted on a forum. And he posted on a forum of Yorkie lovers. A forum has a variety of people on it with different opinions. If you don't want to hear peoples opinions, then you don't need to post your problem on the forum. We can post what the OP's want to hear but now would that really be helping the problem? No one on here claims to have all the answers. They are simply stating their opinions based on their previous experience.

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You are being judgemental when you are saying things such as you dont know what he is going to use for a punching bag next when the pup is out of the house...really?? He never said anything about hitting the dog you just jumped to that conclusion = Judgemental.

And yes, I know there is no such thing as a teacup I had to make up a name for this forum and my yorkie is on the smaller side so I picked TeacupLove. But thanks for being so smart and pointing that out to me..You full of yourself? Never?

One last thing...He didn't ask for people's opinions he is asking for advice on how to handle training the pup better...he is actually looking for help so instead of calling the guy an abuser actually give some advice, and if you don't have any then just keep your opinions to yourself.[/QUOTE]

Advice on a forum is going to be based on their experience and their opinions. There is no way around getting opinions when you are posting on a forum.

He needs help alright, but it has nothing to do with the dog imho. I am not into giving any advice on this forum but that which will help a dog. What I think will help this pup is for the OP to get out of it's life.

So, there you have it....MY opinion. I believe others have stated theirs....so you are saying that only your opinion is correct and others should not comment? Not going to happen, so perhaps if it bothers you so much, you can use the ignore feature.

And there is a lady who's advice and opinion I value. Her experience with this breed is more than you can ever understand. She wants what is best for the pup. Period.

I really think we need to hear from Bailey's Mom.
Where is she in this picture?
Does she recognize how stressed her furbaby is?

I am definitely not saying that my opinion is the only correct one and others should not comment. There are people on here with tons of experience and have helpful advice. And I would only encourage advice on here which is going to help a dog. But what I am saying is that those who are basically going to name call should keep it to themselves...If you have something useful to say then say it.. but if someone is just going to sit there and call him and abuser and such, well, it's just not useful at all. That's what I am saying.

It makes it a lot harder for people to post on here and ask for advice when there are those that just sit there and attack. I feel for the pup, it's not Bailey's fault that he has been brought up with no training. But I think the guy posting is not used to the breed and realizes what he is doing is not helping and is trying to get help from people who do have experience. I think that shows that he does have a heart, and people who come here and basically attack him are, in reality, not helping Bailey out at all. And that's where I have a problem, they are not helping the pup out at all by sitting behind their computers and calling the guy an abuser..what good is that actually doing?? How is that going to make Bailey's life better? That is my point.

What do you think people should do? Lie and tell him he is doing a great job? Sorry, but enabling him is not going to help Bailey. If there is a Bailey, this guy needs help to deal with his own feelings.

Honestly, I believe we are getting our strings yanked yet again....but in case not, I have responded to the guy in the way I feel appropriate.

This sounds so familiar......

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...need-help.html

Op the link that AprilLove posted above would be a very good thread for you to review.

It contains within it many replies of good advice; as well as lots of opinions about this that and the other thing.

I too am very supportive of positive re-inforcement training, and yet, there are some dogs, that might require sterner methods, when the behaviour is very dangerous to themself or to the public and other methods applied consistently over a long period have not worked!. Those dogs are very few and far between.

I have never had a dog cower in fear that I have raised from a pup, and I do have one very large dog, with a very large dominant and stubborn personality, that did require some harsher discipline methods over a short period of time. That how-ever was done under a professional trainer's instructions and under his/her's supervision. This dog is now a top obedience dog, and has never/ever cowered in fear of me,despite his appropriate discipline.

Quite frankly toy breeds and Yorkies rarely need harsher discipline methods. And for them harsher means a sterner voice of discipline, maybe with a sharper sound of clapping. I personally have a barker, and we do many different interruptive methods to calm his barking; but if I let his barking go on for too long before intervention it winds him up even more and he is on one long barking jag. The "harshest" interruptive method I have used is a quick firm tap on his shoulder which snaps him out of his reverie of barking. Then he is removed from the window, and if he is silent for 10-15 seconds one lovely cheese treat is his! Cheese is his highest value treat. A close tie to playing fetch.

Training your dog is never over; it should last the life of your dog. When you start to train and to continue to train over the years, it is a bit like learning how to dance with a partner. In the beginning you stumble, you go right/they go left, you are too fast, they are too slow. With persistence, practice, and love and humour, one day you might find the beauty and fun of having a happy/loving and obedient dog.

Been a member here for over a year, with only 16 posts, and you come on here to scold us. :rolleyes:

I didn't bother to read all the comments as I know a lot of people jumped to the conclusion that you were abusing the dog because he is terrified of you. I fostered small dogs and bigs dogs, and honestly fear happens for a lot of reasons... this li'l dog obviously has had poor socialization and big lack of training. And seeing as how he is a momma's boy he probably is much more comfortable in the presence of women.
So when you moved into the home right after the other roommate moved out he was probably very frightened to have you there all day.

I have seen a lot of cases like this, including Maci and my last foster a pitbull. The first night my husband came home from work the pitty seriously freaked out, she pinned my husband to the front door with snarling and barking and as soon as he moved she ran into the kitchen and pee'd herself... my husband didn't do a THING to her, she had been raised by a family of 4-5 women and never introduced to men and had been tied to a truck all summer to be a guard dog... so it took a lot of work for her to accept my husband, and she did! And he and her really had a special bond, but is took a long while!

With Maci the same thing happened, she was raised by 3 women, my husband came home and she ran at him barking I picked her up, let her sniff my husband, and put her down... she ran to the corner where her pee pad was and just cowered there. Again, FOR NO REASON at least by no reason/fault of my husband. My husband tried all night to get her to come to him and sleep with him, and she just wouldn't she stayed on her pee pad. So I picked her up, plopped her between the husband and I and her talked to her and petted her and she calmed down a lot even took a treat from him!

If you ignore the blames of abuse there is actually a lot of great advice here! Also, if you go the behaviour and training section MORE great stuff there. You may be using too harsh of a "no" with the dog, and make sure you use little treats as rewards for going potty outside or for not barking. Have you guys considering pee pads? If you have for whatever reason hit the dog, then 1. don't ever do it again and 2. it's going to take a long time for him to forget that.

Since he is used to peeing/pooping in the house you could try peepad training, that could really work wonders! He still gets to pee/poo inside but it has be be in his "spot" on a pee pad.

And last resort, if you and your g/f feel the dog can not stay with you, then find a reputable rescue lots are listed here on YT. Mind you, unless you guys are getting married and know you love eachother and will stay together forever... might be best to just leave. Your gf could end up with resentment if she rehomes her dog because of you.

The fact that you have known this person and her dog for several years and the dog is exhibiting the behaviors only AFTER you have moved in together it's reasonable to jump to the conclusion that something you are doing is causing this fear behavior. If you can't handle the training, then it's time to call in a professional who can.

I've seen a lot of posters complain that bigger dogs are smarter and yorkies are impossible to train. Terriers are incredibly intelligent. They don't respond to the same training methods that other breeds do BECAUSE of that intelligence. It's time to change your thinking and your tactics. You are being outsmarted by a dog.

On a related note, I would never, ever remain in a relationship with someone who said they hated my dog any more than I would stay in one with someone who hated my kid. We are a package deal and there are plenty of other fish in the sea.

Gosh the song and dance on this thread is so familiar. This is a public forum and everyone can post and they dont have to be in support of what the Op does. Yes some people do need help but some just need a swift kick in the butt and you can be certain if they need it they will get it here

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I needed to have so many posts before I am able to discern right and wrong...I thought that was something we are all taught growing up (be polite, no name calling, help when you are needed, keep quite when you don't have anything useful to say) but apparently you get that from being on a forum for over a year and posting multiple times...Silly me

I fail to see how chastising people for having their own opinion and calling them judgmental is offering anything useful to the thread. Isn't calling someone judgmental the same as being judgmental? Just asking...

I'd better stop posting now before the polite police comes and writes me another ticket.

Why are you here if you don't have advice to offer other than scolding us?

The OP has not been back on to check for any replies - I checked. He has not even come on this forum to check to see if he got any advice from anyone in two days. I think that says everything. Either he's not interested in advice or this situation is not real important to him. When I ask a question, I am constantly checking to see what answers/advice ppl have given me. It's the reason I posted.

He could be reading it and just not signing in.

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I love these threads.......:rolleyes:

Didn't realize you could do that.

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I'm surprised admin even let us have that smilie!

There was just nothing left to say. Besides, there was no smiley that showed me on my high horse, or one showing me being high and mighty!:p

Well, Well, here we go. I did't say anything, because OP has written like some one pushing buttons to see if anything explodes. I hate wasting my time. I thought hum....wait a few days and see if it is for real. People that really love their animals are careful about who they allow to come into their life. Yes, we might be fooled for a short time but not long. The OP gave an excellent description of a very frightened dog. My advice is , it is not your dog, so don't do anything about the dogs behavior. It is up to 'your girlfriend' to retrain her dog if she wants to retrain. If you are not happy start packing......

Taryn just made my day with the cat fight smilies.
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A- I offered advice at the beginning of this thread while at the same time apologizing to the OP for some of the offensive things being said, which of course upset the individual making the useless comment about the OP using the pup as a punching bag...which started this whole mess in the first place:rolleyes:

B- I am here because aside from individuals who have nothing useful to say, there are a lot of others on here who have a lot experience and advice which I find useful... I only post once in a while because it is not very often I have something that I feel will be of use which hasn't already been said..I tend to read comments before posting so if I have an idea which has already been posted I don't feel reiterating the point is necessary. :)

Anyways, I see that this is just going to continue on, because people don't like hearing they are wrong and rarely admit it when...I'm done with this thread, the childish responses are killing me...it's like highschool all over again:rolleyes:

I do want to say that I'm sorry if I offended anyone here for pointing out that there are things that probably just shouldn't be said. It's just one of those things that come really close to cyber bullying and I really hate to see people being torn down. We all make mistakes I for one will admit that (I have made plenty of mistakes in my lifetime and will continue to do so) I just feel that this forum would be a lot more helpful if there were less personal attacks made on people who are struggling and are reaching out for advice

You have a good point.

Must be election time for a new sheriff.

Again...who is the one calling people judgmental, bullies and childish? If people are going to come on and preach about how others behave, perhaps they should take a look at their own responses first. A pot meet kettle kind of thing.

Of course, that's just my opinion which is evidently not allowed. :rolleyes:

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