Dixie Cup, violent, unpredictable

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by jencar98

I know of one member on here that could possibly help. I know she has worked with dog aggression. Please send her a private message and perhaps you could even have a phone consult with her.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/member.php?u=35755

First _ thanks for thinking of me.
Second_ sorry not around much anymore, got frustrated with the CM stuff all the time. rather not bang my head on close minds. anyone needs me PM me I see it in my email in basket and I can come check.
Third_ Alice the yorkie that be springer rage not cocker rage and springer rage is not what it was once thought of. It is a medical condition for the most part that is caused by the incorrect actively in the electrical system of the brain usually at night when the owners can not see it.
Fourth_never ever ever ever use anything that CM says to use on an aggressive dog ever..... It will make the situation worse. Positive based trainers do not need the drama and explosions he does to train they work in calm. stress does not teach anyone anything.
Fifth_ vet run and thyroid check and not just from the regular vet have it check by Jean Dodds as even a tiny tiny bit off can cause aggression.
Sixth_ this is to far advanced for any old trainer to handle. I suggest a behaviorist or a positive based trainer that is comfortable working aggression that will keep this girl under the thresh hold of stress to see what can be done.
Seventh_ she is aging and this could be early on set doggy dementia and it needs to be looked at.
eighth there are drug that can help but you need a vet that understands behavior.

I did not read any other posts other then the two quoted as I choice to not get sucked into the CM drama anymore. So if I have covered stuff that others have said already sorry but you need to see a vet do blood test, check eyes, hearing and if it looks like springer rage then brain actitivty as well. then find a trained professional that is postive based and aggression wise.

JL

[kjcmsw]

The suggestion is always the same. Give her up, why bother keeping her, get rid of her etc. etc. etc. WEll, my response to this is, "would you get rid of your child because she was emot. disturbed or autistic?" I suppose some would, but I am not some. No one would keep [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]this [COLOR=green ! important]dog[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR], this I know. She would be euthanized or worse...abused terribly. It wouldn't take her two seconds to bite a kid in the face if a family, swayed by her cuteness, adopted her. Nope, she stays with me because I couldn't live with myself if I gave her to a shelter or family (who would not keep ker after the first bite) and well, I can barely live with her either. This is sickening and I am close to being emotionally destroyed over this gorgeous, once show dog. She is a mess and I am lost for any remedies to EVEN JUST CALM DOWN THE SITUATION. I have no life at night because she won't stop barking at ME, attacking the boys (even tethered) and 'killing' the leash she is tied with. She is hurting her throat now because she is violent with her leash now that she has damaged her trachea and is now coughing. I am without hope.

It's important to remember that this is a dog you're talking about and not a human child...there's a big difference. If you want to compare dogs to children would you tether your child until it was choking?
Like a human child, Dixie Cup needs to know there are consequences for her behavior, but she may not have that capacity possibly for no other reason that she is NOT a human child. She is endangering herself, you, your other dogs, and any person she may come in contact with. This being allowed to continue is not for any good for her, it is because you don't want to give her up...which is for you.
I love my dogs, couldn't imagine giving one of them up --- but if one of mine were living like this to keep them (in this situation) would only be a selfish act on my part, at no point would it be for the dog's sake. Dixie Cup needs either, as others have suggested extreme training (both you and Dixie Cup) or another home with someone who can provide to her needs. I do understand that initially it would be heartbreaking but try to put Dixie Cup's needs in front of your own: what would be best for Dixie Cup? I think you know it isn't living tethered and isolated until she's harmed herself (and others) beyond repair.

[YorkieMother]

It's important to remember that this is a dog you're talking about and not a human child...there's a big difference. If you want to compare dogs to children would you tether your child until it was choking?
Like a human child, Dixie Cup needs to know there are consequences for her behavior, but she may not have that capacity possibly for no other reason that she is NOT a human child. She is endangering herself, you, your other dogs, and any person she may come in contact with. This being allowed to continue is not for any good for her, it is because you don't want to give her up...which is for you.
I love my dogs, couldn't imagine giving one of them up --- but if one of mine were living like this to keep them (in this situation) would only be a selfish act on my part, at no point would it be for the dog's sake. Dixie Cup needs either, as others have suggested extreme training (both you and Dixie Cup) or another home with someone who can provide to her needs. I do understand that initially it would be heartbreaking but try to put Dixie Cup's needs in front of your own: what would be best for Dixie Cup? I think you know it isn't living tethered and isolated until she's harmed herself (and others) beyond repair.

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Ok well humm nice if we not judge. Unless you have lived this you can not possibly understand. Most likely a rescue will not take a dog in at this level of aggression and leave her alive or risk placing her out. Only place I can think of off the top of my head is Best freinds in arizona.

As to this not being a human child and she is disposable... hold on. They think and feel at a level far greater right around a five year old level it is thought and the only thing is they do not speak human. So she not disposiable nor does she need extreme training she needs a vet to see what is going on and a health check up. Maybe some noce drugs.

She came for help and is lost and telling her off and alpha rolling her will make her run and be afraid to ask for help again. Yes I talking about the owner Hurting her with words is no better then alpha rolling a dog.

Two wrongs do not make a right and she knows this can not go on and she does not know the way out. When one is lost and scared and made to feel less cause we all can do it better.. not a good thing to attempt learning in.

When you know a change needs to happen and it is this tough, support is needed not rough words. Only those having to stand in a vets office and make the choice to fight for an aggressive dogs life or put it out of pain can understand, having to live that kind of life for 8 years now and have a soundish dog to show for that. That be me but we could still have a bad momment a set back and be right back where we started and a vet doing what may come to need to happen. Judging is easy living it is not.

JL

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

First _ thanks for thinking of me.
Second_ sorry not around much anymore, got frustrated with the CM stuff all the time. rather not bang my head on close minds. anyone needs me PM me I see it in my email in basket and I can come check.
Third_ Alice the yorkie that be springer rage not cocker rage and springer rage is not what it was once thought of. It is a medical condition for the most part that is caused by the incorrect actively in the electrical system of the brain usually at night when the owners can not see it.
Fourth_never ever ever ever use anything that CM says to use on an aggressive dog ever..... It will make the situation worse. Positive based trainers do not need the drama and explosions he does to train they work in calm. stress does not teach anyone anything.
Fifth_ vet run and thyroid check and not just from the regular vet have it check by Jean Dodds as even a tiny tiny bit off can cause aggression.
Sixth_ this is to far advanced for any old trainer to handle. I suggest a behaviorist or a positive based trainer that is comfortable working aggression that will keep this girl under the thresh hold of stress to see what can be done.
Seventh_ she is aging and this could be early on set doggy dementia and it needs to be looked at.
eighth there are drug that can help but you need a vet that understands behavior.

I did not read any other posts other then the two quoted as I choice to not get sucked into the CM drama anymore. So if I have covered stuff that others have said already sorry but you need to see a vet do blood test, check eyes, hearing and if it looks like springer rage then brain actitivty as well. then find a trained professional that is postive based and aggression wise.

JL

Thank you Joy for trying to help. You've had more experience and success than anyone I'm aware of on YT.

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

It's important to remember that this is a dog you're talking about and not a human child...there's a big difference. If you want to compare dogs to children would you tether your child until it was choking?
Like a human child, Dixie Cup needs to know there are consequences for her behavior, but she may not have that capacity possibly for no other reason that she is NOT a human child. She is endangering herself, you, your other dogs, and any person she may come in contact with. This being allowed to continue is not for any good for her, it is because you don't want to give her up...which is for you.
I love my dogs, couldn't imagine giving one of them up --- but if one of mine were living like this to keep them (in this situation) would only be a selfish act on my part, at no point would it be for the dog's sake. Dixie Cup needs either, as others have suggested extreme training (both you and Dixie Cup) or another home with someone who can provide to her needs. I do understand that initially it would be heartbreaking but try to put Dixie Cup's needs in front of your own: what would be best for Dixie Cup? I think you know it isn't living tethered and isolated until she's harmed herself (and others) beyond repair.

Ok well humm nice if we not judge. Unless you have lived this you can not possibly understand. Most likely a rescue will not take a dog in at this level of aggression and leave her alive or risk placing her out. Only place I can think of off the top of my head is Best freinds in arizona.

As to this not being a human child and she is disposable... hold on. They think and feel at a level far greater right around a five year old level it is thought and the only thing is they do not speak human. So she not disposiable nor does she need extreme training she needs a vet to see what is going on and a health check up. Maybe some noce drugs.

She came for help and is lost and telling her off and alpha rolling her will make her run and be afraid to ask for help again. Yes I talking about the owner Hurting her with words is no better then alpha rolling a dog.

Two wrongs do not make a right and she knows this can not go on and she does not know the way out. When one is lost and scared and made to feel less cause we all can do it better.. not a good thing to attempt learning in.

When you know a change needs to happen and it is this tough, support is needed not rough words. Only those having to stand in a vets office and make the choice to fight for an aggressive dogs life or put it out of pain can understand, having to live that kind of life for 8 years now and have a soundish dog to show for that. That be me but we could still have a bad momment a set back and be right back where we started and a vet doing what may come to need to happen. Judging is easy living it is not.

JL[/QUOTE]

If you knew or took the time to ask prior to judging me you'd know I have been in a similar situation, so I guess 'judging' is how one chooses to look at it. I called it like I saw it as everyone else does here. Dixie Cup may not be better off with someone else or the alternative but I doubt she'd be any worse. The OP appears to be at her wit's end...time for a reality check and sometimes reality bites.

As far as dogs being compared to children...well you can't have it both ways...either they are like children or they are not. If you wouldn't tether a child for bad behavior, then you shouldn't tether a dog for the same --- I suppose someone could really run with such thinking...how about would you spay/neuter your child at less than a year old because you don't want to over populate the world? Where is the line between human and animal drawn.

Someone suggested a dog is like a 5 year old child...unfortunately, some people hear that and take it to mean they are exactly like a 5 year old child which is not true. Some dogs may have a potential understanding of a 5 yr old but they are not the same as a 5 yr old child in making decisions...they are guided by their instincts something that should be taken into consideration when in such situations. A 5 yr old child can be taught not to bite someone when they walk by...hopefully the point here is seen. Which is basically we all love our dogs and our kids but not drawing the line in distinguishing the two serves no positive purpose.

There has been many good ideas presented to the OP - those ideas may not be the same as yours but that doesn't make them bad ideas...just different. Have some tolerance for people and ideas that may be different from you or yours.

[dogbert]

I've had 2 long posts get lost. I didn't write them again especially the one where I had to put one of my Yorkies to sleep. To painful.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

First _ thanks for thinking of me.
Second_ sorry not around much anymore, got frustrated with the CM stuff all the time. rather not bang my head on close minds. anyone needs me PM me I see it in my email in basket and I can come check.
Third_ Alice the yorkie that be springer rage not cocker rage and springer rage is not what it was once thought of. It is a medical condition for the most part that is caused by the incorrect actively in the electrical system of the brain usually at night when the owners can not see it.
Fourth_never ever ever ever use anything that CM says to use on an aggressive dog ever..... It will make the situation worse. Positive based trainers do not need the drama and explosions he does to train they work in calm. stress does not teach anyone anything.
Fifth_ vet run and thyroid check and not just from the regular vet have it check by Jean Dodds as even a tiny tiny bit off can cause aggression.
Sixth_ this is to far advanced for any old trainer to handle. I suggest a behaviorist or a positive based trainer that is comfortable working aggression that will keep this girl under the thresh hold of stress to see what can be done.
Seventh_ she is aging and this could be early on set doggy dementia and it needs to be looked at.
eighth there are drug that can help but you need a vet that understands behavior.

I did not read any other posts other then the two quoted as I choice to not get sucked into the CM drama anymore. So if I have covered stuff that others have said already sorry but you need to see a vet do blood test, check eyes, hearing and if it looks like springer rage then brain actitivty as well. then find a trained professional that is postive based and aggression wise.

JL

Not a lot of CM posters so you should be safe. Glad to see you back offering your advice.

[YorkieMother]

Jen and megan momma feel free to pm to chat. I am two months out on a new pup and busy at work but if you need any thing even just a chat pm I will pop in. Just got more on my plate then I ever expected with 2 fosters my girl pet sitting working more then full time and trying hard to learn what a normal dog looks and acts like. loving ever second of this new life my bosses offered on a silver plater with no strings but wow it go go go.


Jl