Insane barking when she hears or sees people - devices don't work! - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Lolli_lah · 04-01-2010, 12:57 PM

Soo I bought this bark repeller and at first it seemed to work just fine. I even told others about it on here and everything and recommended it. What I'd do is I'd have it at least 3+ feet away and when I pressed it and said NO BARKING she kind of cowered down to the ground like she was afraid of the noise. It didn't seem much like positive reinforcement, but she cannot be allowed outside barking at everyone she sees (it's not aggressive but it startles a lot of people especially since I live in FL where there is a lot of elderly around). It worked for a few weeks like this to make her stop barking.

So anyway, all the sudden the repeller didn't have much effect when she gets in what I call her "frenzy". Sometimes her barking is easy to stop and she doesn't seem like she's all that worked up. But OTHER times she gets really loud barking and jumping up and down and it is very hard to get her attention. This is what I call her "frenzy". Sometimes she doesn't even move like she heard it or anything.

So basically I don't know what to do. I tried the device as described, I tried squirting water which she runs away from but keeps barking still, she only listens to command when not in a "frenzy". She sometimes will sit when I tell her to in any situation but still barks. Also tried other loud noise things like whistles, coins, etc.

What can I do?? I have read some people mention about maybe an anxiety problem. What should I try to do better? More time of the day for training? What should I try when she is barking in her frenzy? Right now what seems to work half the time more than anything else is grabbing her by hear "beard" and forcing her to look at me (this doesn't hurt them at all, we have to use this sometimes at grooming to make sure the dogs don't jerk their heads and get hurt by scissors or clippers) and then I say No Barking!! And only sometimes she listens, or you can tell she knows she's not supposed to and does like half-way barking but still continues on and on...

I'm at a loss. Right now can't afford to go to a trainer, but want to help my baby! Please help

TwoforFun · 04-01-2010, 01:10 PM

I'm going through the same episode with my maltese. I learned that when she's not in frenzy and start barking I say QUIET and then rattle her treat bag (that get's her attention). When she quiets down I give her a treat. It's been a few weeks and I see her catching on, when she barks I don't always say quiet she on her own stops and looks at me like "when are you going to say quiet for my treat".
It doesn't always work but it's getting there.

Good Luck!! and if you finally find the trick please let me know

Lolli_lah · 04-01-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoforFun

I'm going through the same episode with my maltese. I learned that when she's not in frenzy and start barking I say QUIET and then rattle her treat bag (that get's her attention). When she quiets down I give her a treat. It's been a few weeks and I see her catching on, when she barks I don't always say quiet she on her own stops and looks at me like "when are you going to say quiet for my treat".
It doesn't always work but it's getting there.

Good Luck!! and if you finally find the trick please let me know

The problem is I recently find that Lolli has a sort of IBD and I can't give her treats anymore. I made a post asking if there is a healthy sort of treat I could make or something like that. So for now there's no treats. Maybe I can use some bits of her regular food and sort of trick her. I'm not sure if it'll work but I could try.

ziggy925 · 04-01-2010, 06:22 PM

I've never done this before, and I'm a newbie here, but I've read one of the ways to stop barking is to "teach" your dog to bark. Once you teach it to bark you can teach it to stop.

Now, as far as the teaching to bark part goes I haven't got a clue.

I was told by a trainer if you can give a treat do it when she's quiet and say quiet, as the other poster said. I'll bet if you just call your vet and ask about treats they will give you some free advice.

Nancy1999 · 04-01-2010, 06:28 PM

I don't know if you have the same kind as I got, but mine says hold no closer than 6 feet away, that's the closest! This is a training aid, and it emits a loud noise, if the noise is too aversive, you dogs will bark more. Also, many people hold it down for too long, it should be no more than 2 seconds, and I hold it less than a second. After every bark, you should press it once, and I find hand signals to be more effective, and I put my fingers to my lips in a shushing fashion. When using an aid such as this, it is so important to following directions carefully or you will increase barking instead of reducing it.

I also think occasionally adding a small treat and praising the dog after being quiet is a good idea. Treats don't have to be bad things they can be healthy food, in fact that's all we use.

Also, you will not eliminate barking, that's not the goal, the goal is to stop barking after a short amount of time.

megansmomma · 04-01-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I don't know if you have the same kind as I got, but mine says hold no closer than 6 feet away, that's the closest! This is a training aid, and it emits a loud noise, if the noise is too aversive, you dogs will bark more. Also, many people hold it down for too long, it should be no more than 2 seconds, and I hold it less than a second. After every bark, you should press it once, and I find hand signals to be more effective, and I put my fingers to my lips in a shushing fashion. When using an aid such as this, it is so important to following directions carefully or you will increase barking instead of reducing it.

I also think occasionally adding a small treat and praising the dog after being quiet is a good idea. Treats don't have to be bad things they can be healthy food, in fact that's all we use.

Also, you will not eliminate barking, that's not the goal, the goal is to stop barking after a short amount of time.

I would have to agree as well. Pebbles listens when I have used the Bark Repeller and it is very effective in controlling her barking. My son not knowing how to properly use it tried and help the button for much longer than the 2 seconds and she went crazy!

Are you sure the battery is still working? Is the light coming on when you press the button?

The one thing that I noticed with Pebbles is that I do not have to press the button very often to quiet her. She will stop and then I always praise and pick you up which really seems to work. I have a feeling that you overused the device and are not having undesirable results.

Lolli_lah · 04-01-2010, 07:22 PM

Wow you guys had a way of making me feel kind of "attacked" here.. Yes, the battery still works as I've barely used the device before she stopped responding to it and the batteries brand new. The light comes on. Unless for some reason the light works but it isn't emanating noise.. But I think it is working because she gets a startled look for a moment when it is pressed then continues back to her barking... She responded to the noise and my command for like 1 or 2 weeks but now she just disregards the noise completely but on occasion will listen to command, just not really.

I use the Pet Parade one I got it off Amazon someone here had posted a link before but I forget who. The instructions says to not go closer than 1 foot. I just checked my package (I kept instructions) and it says "Do not use on humans or within 1 foot of a pet." But I don't really understand that whole comment because I did say I am usually about 3+ feet away so... ???

I have never held the button down for any length of time because I am afraid it will be detriment to her ears. I just click it once and say the command. But thanks for assuming I do not know how to use a button!

Just want people to understand that just because something works for you doesn't mean it will work for everyone and it doesn't mean they are incapable of using things appropriately. I have spent the past 1 or 2 months trying to get her to not bark with this device to no avail and have since tried other things before I got this and now after as it's effectiveness just went away. It was only effective for a short time and I didn't change the length of time I hold the button or anything of the nature. She just seems stubborn and doesn't want to listen to the device.

So the solution I think is not with these type of devices, for me, and need to take some other measure. I just do not know what else I could do as I do not have much experience with a frenzied barker before. And was hoping that someone could shed some light on another solution besides this bark repeller.

Nancy1999 · 04-01-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lolli_lah

Wow you guys had a way of making me feel kind of "attacked" here.. Yes, the battery still works as I've barely used the device before she stopped responding to it and the batteries brand new. The light comes on. Unless for some reason the light works but it isn't emanating noise.. But I think it is working because she gets a startled look for a moment when it is pressed then continues back to her barking... She responded to the noise and my command for like 1 or 2 weeks but now she just disregards the noise completely but on occasion will listen to command, just not really.

I use the Pet Parade one I got it off Amazon someone here had posted a link before but I forget who. The instructions says to not go closer than 1 foot. I just checked my package (I kept instructions) and it says "Do not use on humans or within 1 foot of a pet." But I don't really understand that whole comment because I did say I am usually about 3+ feet away so... ???

I have never held the button down for any length of time because I am afraid it will be detriment to her ears. I just click it once and say the command. But thanks for assuming I do not know how to use a button!

Just want people to understand that just because something works for you doesn't mean it will work for everyone and it doesn't mean they are incapable of using things appropriately. I have spent the past 1 or 2 months trying to get her to not bark with this device to no avail and have since tried other things before I got this and now after as it's effectiveness just went away. It was only effective for a short time and I didn't change the length of time I hold the button or anything of the nature. She just seems stubborn and doesn't want to listen to the device.

So the solution I think is not with these type of devices, for me, and need to take some other measure. I just do not know what else I could do as I do not have much experience with a frenzied barker before. And was hoping that someone could shed some light on another solution besides this bark repeller.

You know, it's really hard to write an answer to these threads, I really tried hard not to write in a way that would make you feel bad, I'm sorry you feel attacked, that was not my intention. Yours is a different kind that I got, so I can't offer any advice. Mine was called the "Barking Repeller", and said do not use any closer than 6 feet from the dog, and you can use it 25 feet away. All I know is that if it's too strong you will agitate the dog more.

megansmomma · 04-01-2010, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lolli_lah

Wow you guys had a way of making me feel kind of "attacked" here.. Yes, the battery still works as I've barely used the device before she stopped responding to it and the batteries brand new. The light comes on. Unless for some reason the light works but it isn't emanating noise.. But I think it is working because she gets a startled look for a moment when it is pressed then continues back to her barking... She responded to the noise and my command for like 1 or 2 weeks but now she just disregards the noise completely but on occasion will listen to command, just not really.

I use the Pet Parade one I got it off Amazon someone here had posted a link before but I forget who. The instructions says to not go closer than 1 foot. I just checked my package (I kept instructions) and it says "Do not use on humans or within 1 foot of a pet." But I don't really understand that whole comment because I did say I am usually about 3+ feet away so... ???

I have never held the button down for any length of time because I am afraid it will be detriment to her ears. I just click it once and say the command. But thanks for assuming I do not know how to use a button!

Just want people to understand that just because something works for you doesn't mean it will work for everyone and it doesn't mean they are incapable of using things appropriately. I have spent the past 1 or 2 months trying to get her to not bark with this device to no avail and have since tried other things before I got this and now after as it's effectiveness just went away. It was only effective for a short time and I didn't change the length of time I hold the button or anything of the nature. She just seems stubborn and doesn't want to listen to the device.

So the solution I think is not with these type of devices, for me, and need to take some other measure. I just do not know what else I could do as I do not have much experience with a frenzied barker before. And was hoping that someone could shed some light on another solution besides this bark repeller.

I really do not understand why you would feel attacked

All I did was try to offer advice as I have a similar device. As Nancy said the BARK REPELLER had specific instructions not to use it within 6 feet. You only clarified that you had a different type of deterrent in the above post. We both gave you a response and were trying to be helpful with a few suggestions. As for the comment about the battery~just the other day I was trying to turn on a lamp, changed the light bulb and then my husband turned on the wall switch~so crazy things do happen. Sorry that you took offense

Good luck with whatever you decide to try next. Sorry I was not of any help to your situation.

Lolli_lah · 04-01-2010, 08:10 PM

It is more or less that I just am frustrated in general because I cannot control this barking and I am at a wits end. I just cannot take it anymore. I am sorry for perhaps taking out of proportion or context. Today was pretty bad as I have been sick and she decides today of all days to be at her worst behavior so perhaps I just had a short nerve. I don't want to purchase more devices and whistles and bells and put coins in cans or play squirt gun with my little one. I, too, am getting an ear ache from all the noises in addition to the barking (I'm joking but you get the idea).

I do appreciate the suggestions and advice so far. It's just that I had the device I believe since December and had been trying to use it until a couple weeks ago where I gave up on it because it didn't seem to be doing much good. I am only seeking alternative measures, because I am also concerned that although she is not barking constantly throughout the day that still someone will complain (I live in a complex). She is a 7 year old rescue so breaking her learned habits is difficult. This is the only one I cannot seem to break through.

I do not know how to address if it is maybe an anxiety issue, I forget who mentioned something about this in another barking post. What are signs? When she barks (and growls/whines), she usually has tail up and curved over her back and not down or between legs. She seems not aggressive at all, but standing her ground. Perhaps territorial? How can I go about to perhaps diagnose and correct a problem such as this?

tryingcake · 04-01-2010, 08:17 PM

My little girl also got into a frenzied state of barking quite often. I finally broke down and bought a spray collar (it was hard finding one small enough, but I finally did). Squirting her with water is not the same. I tried that. We are not fast enough for them to fully get it. It's humanly impossible.

I bought the kind that uses lemon. They also have citronella. Worked like a charm. It did not take her long to realize that when the collar was on she did not want to bark. There are times of the day I don't care if she barks her fool head off so I left it off. But in the evenings when the neighbors are settling down (I love in a condo community) it was not OK. I put it on then and for walks.

In only a week I didn't have to use it anymore at all. It's gathering dust on the kitchen counter. On the rare occassion she seems like she may bark out of control, I only have to show t to her. It's been over a month now and life is peaceful.

I don't care if she "talks." She can grumble and bark under her breath all she wants - but she is not allowed to alert the entire neighborhood unless we are in real danger. She finally gets it.

Lisa and Pic · 04-02-2010, 02:20 AM

It is not my intention for this thread to be hijacked by either you or by me. Seems to me you wrote this for attention.

But, do need to add that I consider spanking the hell out of either a child or a dog abuse. Totally unacceptable and against the law.

I am not going to argue with you, I see enough of child abuse in court with my job. I expect this whole conversation to be removed by Admin, shortly.

livingdustmops · 04-02-2010, 05:45 AM

Lisa, just walk away...this type of "training" is not acceptable

and I am guessing someone is looking for attention.

Lisa and Pic · 04-02-2010, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Lisa, just walk away...this type of "training" is not acceptable

and I am guessing someone is looking for attention.

Thanks for the pep talk livingdustmops!

I think you are correct.

Hope this thread can get back to the original intention of seeking positive help for over barking.

livingdustmops · 04-02-2010, 06:09 AM

Well thank goodness for Ann...I am not even sure that was a real person but it didn't help.

I know barking can be an issue with Yorkies...they are terriers and this is what they do but hitting is never an option. I have had great luck with a water bottle (from Costco) that has a hard spray on it and all it took was one day for the gang to get the message (I aimed for the butt) and now all I have to do is hold the bottle up...

I worked from home (was on the phone all day) on many occasions so the coins in a can was not an option for me and with anywhere from 6 to 10 dogs I needed silence fairly fast.

I have wondered when people say the spray bottle doesn't work for me is it because it is set on just a fluffy (light) spray level.

04-01-2010, 12:57 PM	#1
Lolli_lah YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gainesville, GA, USA Posts: 406 Blog Entries: 2	Insane barking when she hears or sees people - devices don't work! Soo I bought this bark repeller and at first it seemed to work just fine. I even told others about it on here and everything and recommended it. What I'd do is I'd have it at least 3+ feet away and when I pressed it and said NO BARKING she kind of cowered down to the ground like she was afraid of the noise. It didn't seem much like positive reinforcement, but she cannot be allowed outside barking at everyone she sees (it's not aggressive but it startles a lot of people especially since I live in FL where there is a lot of elderly around). It worked for a few weeks like this to make her stop barking. So anyway, all the sudden the repeller didn't have much effect when she gets in what I call her "frenzy". Sometimes her barking is easy to stop and she doesn't seem like she's all that worked up. But OTHER times she gets really loud barking and jumping up and down and it is very hard to get her attention. This is what I call her "frenzy". Sometimes she doesn't even move like she heard it or anything. So basically I don't know what to do. I tried the device as described, I tried squirting water which she runs away from but keeps barking still, she only listens to command when not in a "frenzy". She sometimes will sit when I tell her to in any situation but still barks. Also tried other loud noise things like whistles, coins, etc. What can I do?? I have read some people mention about maybe an anxiety problem. What should I try to do better? More time of the day for training? What should I try when she is barking in her frenzy? Right now what seems to work half the time more than anything else is grabbing her by hear "beard" and forcing her to look at me (this doesn't hurt them at all, we have to use this sometimes at grooming to make sure the dogs don't jerk their heads and get hurt by scissors or clippers) and then I say No Barking!! And only sometimes she listens, or you can tell she knows she's not supposed to and does like half-way barking but still continues on and on... I'm at a loss. Right now can't afford to go to a trainer, but want to help my baby! Please help __________________ Lollipop my Pretty Little Princess Last edited by Lolli_lah; 04-01-2010 at 12:59 PM.

04-01-2010, 01:10 PM	#2
TwoforFun YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: TX Posts: 646	I'm going through the same episode with my maltese. I learned that when she's not in frenzy and start barking I say QUIET and then rattle her treat bag (that get's her attention). When she quiets down I give her a treat. It's been a few weeks and I see her catching on, when she barks I don't always say quiet she on her own stops and looks at me like "when are you going to say quiet for my treat". It doesn't always work but it's getting there. Good Luck!! and if you finally find the trick please let me know __________________ XOXO JiJi , JiJa Lil' Man and Mommy

04-01-2010, 06:28 PM	#5
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	I don't know if you have the same kind as I got, but mine says hold no closer than 6 feet away, that's the closest! This is a training aid, and it emits a loud noise, if the noise is too aversive, you dogs will bark more. Also, many people hold it down for too long, it should be no more than 2 seconds, and I hold it less than a second. After every bark, you should press it once, and I find hand signals to be more effective, and I put my fingers to my lips in a shushing fashion. When using an aid such as this, it is so important to following directions carefully or you will increase barking instead of reducing it. I also think occasionally adding a small treat and praising the dog after being quiet is a good idea. Treats don't have to be bad things they can be healthy food, in fact that's all we use. Also, you will not eliminate barking, that's not the goal, the goal is to stop barking after a short amount of time. __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals Last edited by Nancy1999; 04-01-2010 at 06:32 PM.

04-01-2010, 07:22 PM	#7
Lolli_lah YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gainesville, GA, USA Posts: 406 Blog Entries: 2	Wow you guys had a way of making me feel kind of "attacked" here.. Yes, the battery still works as I've barely used the device before she stopped responding to it and the batteries brand new. The light comes on. Unless for some reason the light works but it isn't emanating noise.. But I think it is working because she gets a startled look for a moment when it is pressed then continues back to her barking... She responded to the noise and my command for like 1 or 2 weeks but now she just disregards the noise completely but on occasion will listen to command, just not really. I use the Pet Parade one I got it off Amazon someone here had posted a link before but I forget who. The instructions says to not go closer than 1 foot. I just checked my package (I kept instructions) and it says "Do not use on humans or within 1 foot of a pet." But I don't really understand that whole comment because I did say I am usually about 3+ feet away so... ??? I have never held the button down for any length of time because I am afraid it will be detriment to her ears. I just click it once and say the command. But thanks for assuming I do not know how to use a button! Just want people to understand that just because something works for you doesn't mean it will work for everyone and it doesn't mean they are incapable of using things appropriately. I have spent the past 1 or 2 months trying to get her to not bark with this device to no avail and have since tried other things before I got this and now after as it's effectiveness just went away. It was only effective for a short time and I didn't change the length of time I hold the button or anything of the nature. She just seems stubborn and doesn't want to listen to the device. So the solution I think is not with these type of devices, for me, and need to take some other measure. I just do not know what else I could do as I do not have much experience with a frenzied barker before. And was hoping that someone could shed some light on another solution besides this bark repeller. __________________ Lollipop my Pretty Little Princess Last edited by Lolli_lah; 04-01-2010 at 07:26 PM.

04-01-2010, 08:10 PM	#10
Lolli_lah YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gainesville, GA, USA Posts: 406 Blog Entries: 2	It is more or less that I just am frustrated in general because I cannot control this barking and I am at a wits end. I just cannot take it anymore. I am sorry for perhaps taking out of proportion or context. Today was pretty bad as I have been sick and she decides today of all days to be at her worst behavior so perhaps I just had a short nerve. I don't want to purchase more devices and whistles and bells and put coins in cans or play squirt gun with my little one. I, too, am getting an ear ache from all the noises in addition to the barking (I'm joking but you get the idea). I do appreciate the suggestions and advice so far. It's just that I had the device I believe since December and had been trying to use it until a couple weeks ago where I gave up on it because it didn't seem to be doing much good. I am only seeking alternative measures, because I am also concerned that although she is not barking constantly throughout the day that still someone will complain (I live in a complex). She is a 7 year old rescue so breaking her learned habits is difficult. This is the only one I cannot seem to break through. I do not know how to address if it is maybe an anxiety issue, I forget who mentioned something about this in another barking post. What are signs? When she barks (and growls/whines), she usually has tail up and curved over her back and not down or between legs. She seems not aggressive at all, but standing her ground. Perhaps territorial? How can I go about to perhaps diagnose and correct a problem such as this? __________________ Lollipop my Pretty Little Princess Last edited by Lolli_lah; 04-01-2010 at 08:11 PM.

04-01-2010, 06:22 PM	#4
ziggy925 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Aspen, CO, US Posts: 544	I've never done this before, and I'm a newbie here, but I've read one of the ways to stop barking is to "teach" your dog to bark. Once you teach it to bark you can teach it to stop. Now, as far as the teaching to bark part goes I haven't got a clue. I was told by a trainer if you can give a treat do it when she's quiet and say quiet, as the other poster said. I'll bet if you just call your vet and ask about treats they will give you some free advice.

04-01-2010, 08:17 PM	#11
tryingcake Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 61	My little girl also got into a frenzied state of barking quite often. I finally broke down and bought a spray collar (it was hard finding one small enough, but I finally did). Squirting her with water is not the same. I tried that. We are not fast enough for them to fully get it. It's humanly impossible. I bought the kind that uses lemon. They also have citronella. Worked like a charm. It did not take her long to realize that when the collar was on she did not want to bark. There are times of the day I don't care if she barks her fool head off so I left it off. But in the evenings when the neighbors are settling down (I love in a condo community) it was not OK. I put it on then and for walks. In only a week I didn't have to use it anymore at all. It's gathering dust on the kitchen counter. On the rare occassion she seems like she may bark out of control, I only have to show t to her. It's been over a month now and life is peaceful. I don't care if she "talks." She can grumble and bark under her breath all she wants - but she is not allowed to alert the entire neighborhood unless we are in real danger. She finally gets it. __________________ How can your life change if you don't change?

04-02-2010, 02:20 AM	#12
Lisa and Pic ♥ Piccolo & Vivi ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 14,311	It is not my intention for this thread to be hijacked by either you or by me. Seems to me you wrote this for attention. But, do need to add that I consider spanking the hell out of either a child or a dog abuse. Totally unacceptable and against the law. I am not going to argue with you, I see enough of child abuse in court with my job. I expect this whole conversation to be removed by Admin, shortly. __________________ Lisa, Dixie, and Jazzy (RIP Piccolo and Vivi) Last edited by Lisa and Pic; 04-02-2010 at 02:21 AM.

04-02-2010, 05:45 AM	#13
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	Lisa, just walk away...this type of "training" is not acceptable and I am guessing someone is looking for attention. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

04-02-2010, 06:09 AM	#15
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	Well thank goodness for Ann...I am not even sure that was a real person but it didn't help. I know barking can be an issue with Yorkies...they are terriers and this is what they do but hitting is never an option. I have had great luck with a water bottle (from Costco) that has a hard spray on it and all it took was one day for the gang to get the message (I aimed for the butt) and now all I have to do is hold the bottle up... I worked from home (was on the phone all day) on many occasions so the coins in a can was not an option for me and with anywhere from 6 to 10 dogs I needed silence fairly fast. I have wondered when people say the spray bottle doesn't work for me is it because it is set on just a fluffy (light) spray level. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!