I have a seven year old dog that in anyone elses hands be dead.
I am not the one saying that there are any number of slack jawed Vets, Behaviourists, Trainers, and lay people that can not believe she is still alive and doing well enough to be comfortable.
They or most have of them have seen us from Heck and back on more then one occassion.
She should be dead and the only reason She is not is I got over my need to Ceser Millan her and got with her program.
I KNOW I LIVE IT
JL

I use the reseach cause the fact I have a dog that is every day fighting to live is non of your business.
Science should do the job if one has an open mind and actually reads it.

JL

Animals (human and otherwise) also need to understand authority -- and that ugly word -- submission. Submission does not mean going belly up -- to submit means to yield to the authority of another.

And???

This applys How???
Go read on sudmisson it is actually the leader that gives in many cases.

JL

I am very sorry that your dog was injured. It is heartbreaking to have one of our canine friends hurt. However, unless Cesar Milan personally trained your dog, then there is absolutely NO WAY that he could have caused any harm. It sounds like some inexperienced and/or ignorant trainer abused Cesar's methods and caused harm to your dog.

If you would read the definition of the word submission, you would have your answer. I supplied a true definition of the word submission -- it means to yield to the authority of another.

That is the old definition and it does not apply to dogs.
That is why I post the science so you can see the changes and you do not read it as you think you know.
It has changed.

JL

As for the Bold in red comment you are so far out of line it is not funny. Any time you wish to take a plane ride on up here to meet the person that said that I be more then willing to pick you up and take you to meet with them. I will even let you have a run at my girl and see if you can make her work for you.
And that is why what I have been through is non of your business she is not now nor ever anything to be poked at ridiculde or put down.
This kids been places you will never seen and non had to do with me.
Staffy terriers and drunks and many thing got her long before me.
I just laid down the need to rule the with you must obey or else.
Well or elses shut down and will you say it someones fault vets say it is genetics.
Gene pool nailed her and hard.
See gene pool can get many dogs many many. Seen it now in three one landed in a home he was been lucky his owners never set him up to fail.
One Man on man he is a hand full but I will get him sorted out.
One my girl she well landed at me second. Rolled, scolded for puppy nipping.
Crawled under a chair and shook anbd shook cause she peeed in her noe whome then throw up and then pooped. Painc attack at all of 9 months old.
GENETICs.
I spent the better part of 6 years covering more ground on behaviour to find on thing to turn this around. If it is out there I have looked at it.
Why cause my child was four feet and hair and is in pain and any good mom fights for her childern.
As for Ceser nothing he does is new or wonderous its old and it is well used and while you can saint him; any part of what he does has been done by many many many many others repeatly for years and years and years he just got himslef and slick package and you are buying it.

JL

The word submission means to yeild to the authority of another. Period. Go look it up. I did :D There isn't a new definition of the word.

And it DOES apply to dogs in that fashion. Please tell me how you came up with the silly statement that yielding to authority does not apply to dogs?

Are you willing to listen to the science or not?
Cause we have been round this block before and while I happy to go again if you are not willing to go along an learn you would be wasting your time.

Me I like talking behaviour.
You not so much.

JL

I saw you edited your post: which is good...because in that comment from chattiesmom, there was NO WHERE in her last post where she was "out of line" You are so easily to take offense to anything that is said to you, you disagree with.

She only posted that she was sorry to hear that any of your babies was treated that way from a trainer or person whatever, who abused those methods. IN NO WAY was she being out of line. You may want to make sure you read the post correctly before accusing people or things you misunderstood.

Bottom line, unless Cesar Milan personally trained your dog and caused the problem then Cesar is NOT responsible. If YOU took his methods to an extreme, or allowed someone else to, then you need to stop blaming Cesar Milan and take the responsibility of harming her. YOU are responsible for YOUR dog and what happens to her.

And I need to use the links and others notes cause, you know spelling it tough for me so it is easier on you to understand if I link and post.
Or if you want to hear my words you can call me cause I can speak it easier then I can type it.

I am also getting very tired so the spelling is getting worse.

JL

No it is not the bottom line I am not blaming ceser for what is up with my girl I am saying what he does on a girl like mine kill her.
When you suggest using his stuff you put dogs at risk if you do not know they are wired like mine.
No the breeder that put the male and female together and bred a badly wired dog is at fault. I just get to do clean up.
Again you are not getting the science. GENETICS made her.

JL

You are not making much sense. :rolleyes:

I am not interested in pages of quotes trying to justify why you don't like Cesar Milan. You have yet to give PERSONAL first hand experience of why you don't like his methods or what happened to your dog.

Talk behavior, and I'll read, but I am not interested in you copying and pasting a plethora of quotes. Let us hear about your personal experience with his methods. Leave everyone else out of it -- let's hear from you.