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08-21-2009, 09:12 AM | #31 | |
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In rookie hands the risk is to high. so working slow and steady decreases the risk of damage and things going sideways. sideways is ugly. JL
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08-21-2009, 09:42 AM | #32 |
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| just had to ask something here...if i did roll her a couple times thinking it would help and then realized that she just didn't look right when i did it and stopped, will that still scar her for life, she's only 8 weeks old, will she be ok now since i quit doing it only did i maybe 3 times total and not for very long....oooopppsss.... also, the presence that chachi talks about is called "calm-assertivness" it's a Ceasar thing, it's about maintaining a calm even temper but still maintaining that presence and that control as a leader, a fair and loving leader, but you don't take any crap either, you are in control of all things, food, toys, and playtime, when you say a command the dog listens because you have that confidence as a leader, never train when angry, upset, or frustrated because you have lost that calm-assertiveness and you have lost leadership mood. the dogs know when you are in the right mood to lead and when you are crumbling with your own stress and problems. they need a confident, calm-assertive leader like Ceasar or Victoria act in their shows. a dog won't nip Victoria and she said its' because she gives a leading vibe off to dogs and they don't dare cross her. |
08-21-2009, 09:51 AM | #33 | |
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__________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427 | |
08-21-2009, 09:51 AM | #34 | |
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http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PFL_PD...fe_Is_Free.pdf Nothing in Life is Free Nothing in Life is Free Gaining control of your dog humanely | |
08-21-2009, 09:55 AM | #35 | |
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Ok so let me see if I am getting this right correct me if I not geting what your are sking just right. 8 weeks old right and you have rolled her three times will it scare her for life. Some hard cases say yes me not so much in that you have 3 years in which to turn it around and if you stop now and do nt revist it you can make a change. reason being is that dogs do not mentally meture out and what you see is waht you get until three years of age after that it great managmanent not changeing brain funtion. So yes you can fix this and there shoud be no lasting damage. Now I always say as long as you have a dog with a great deal of emoinally and mantal bouce back or and I kow this will be spelt wrong reslinancy. if not it may take longer and it may stick but at 8 weeks I thinking your good to be ok. Now that last part yet again is the problem all to many of us take what our dogs do personally and that they are out to run the show when all it is is normal doggy behaviour that is not working for your house hold. take that same dog put it into a differnt house and the concern is non exstent. Also there are far to many that can control thier tempers and it gets out of hand fast. It a power trip. There no power over adog in postive they go along cause they want to. clear as mud right. LOL JL
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08-21-2009, 09:56 AM | #36 | |
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Scary to see what I know coming out anothers fingers no really it is cool. JL
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08-21-2009, 09:59 AM | #37 | |
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she's amazing though and knows sit very well already. | |
08-21-2009, 10:07 AM | #38 | |
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JL
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08-25-2009, 09:32 PM | #39 |
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| I just remember what I wanted to say and it has been rolling around my brain for a little bit. Alpha rolling and rough training only teaches learned helplessness and is not a way to bridge the gap betwen you and the dog it teaches it to never think for it self. 'Learned helplessness as a technical term in animal psychology and related human psychology means a condition of a human being or an animal in which it has learned to behave helplessly, even when the opportunity is restored for it to help itself by avoiding an unpleasant or harmful circumstance to which it has been subjected. Learned helplessness theory is the view that clinical depression and related mental illnesses result from a perceived absence of control over the outcome of a situation (Seligman, 1975).' JL
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