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02-22-2009, 02:04 PM | #16 | ||
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A regular collar shouldn't even been used On yorkie's This has to be 100 time's worse. You shouldn't Pain you dog into listening you should Train it to listen. | ||
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02-22-2009, 02:20 PM | #17 | |
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Then can do a great deal of damage and should not be used at all even more so on a little dog. Fired them and find a trainer that is postive based and can teach hands off. International Positive Dog Training Association International Positive Dog Training Association SETTING THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD FOR HUMANE DOG TRAINING AND BEHAVIOUR THERAPY TOOLS AND TECHNIQUES IPDTA Research Findings Title: Pinch (Prong) Collars Body: Tool: Pinch or Prong Collar Rating: Unacceptable due to high risk for misuse and/or abuse Operant Sequence: Positive Punishment - adding the pinch to decrease the likelihood that the behaviour will be repeated. ie: pulling on the pinch collar to stop the dog from pulling on leash. Negative Reinforcement - ending the pinch to increase the likelihood that the behaviour will be repeated. ie: ending the pinch to keep the dog in heel position (avoidance conditioning). Use of Tool: Powerful Aversive Proper Application: The pinch collar is opened by removing one link, then wrapped around the dog’s neck. It is then fastened by replacing the missing link. The collar should fit with the prongs facing the neck, snug enough for the prongs to lightly touch but not push into the skin. When the leash is pulled or tightens, the prongs push against the skin and muscles of the neck causing physical discomfort or pain. Unlike the choke chain and slip collar, the pinch collar has limited constriction. It takes minimal effort to create a powerful correction. Parameters: Timing of the correction must be exact for the dog to realize which behaviour will predict the correction. The severity of the correction must match the dog’s level of sensitivity. The dog must be taught the desired behaviour before being corrected for the undesirable behaviour. Benefits: Has limited constriction. Takes little effort for handlers with limited strength. Distributes even pressure around the neck. Takes less skill to use than some other collars. Drawbacks, Risks and Warnings: Physical The metal prongs allow for a high potential for causing pain and/or physical injury. Has been known to cause irritation, wounds and infection. If the collar is left on the dog when not supervised, the dog can become caught by the collar and can injure itself, cause de-gloving of the skin on the neck and head, cause strangulation and even death. If two dogs are playing together, the dog’s jaw can become caught in the chain causing injury to one or both dogs. If the dog hits the end of the leash, life line or retractable leash with any force it can cause injury. If positioned too close to the ears, the correction will affect the sensitive nerve bundles just below the dog’s ears. Behavioural Pinch collars have been known to cause fear, submission, aggression, stress, depression and avoidance behaviours. The anxiety caused by the correction can increase aggressive behaviour, the severity and frequency of aggressive episodes. Psychological Unwanted associations may be created if the dog pairs up the unpleasant experience with someone or something in the environment at the moment it is shocked. For example; if the dog is focused on a child when corrected, it may create an unpleasant association with children. This association can cause fear of the child which could lead to fear aggression. The unpleasant experience can create fear and distrust of the handler. The unpleasant experience can create fear and distrust of anyone or anything in the environment. In order to effectively stop an unwanted behaviour with as few corrections as possible, the dog’s temperament and level of sensitivity must be known. Because there is no way to know how sensitive the dog is to the physical correction without correcting it, the risk of making a mistake is high. If you start too high and work your way down you can create fear and/or aggression, if you start too low and work your way up you can desensitize the dog to the correction and/or cause habituation; which is the ability to stop reacting to meaningless stimuli through repeat exposure. R1 When this happens you will require higher and higher levels of correction to stop the unwanted behaviour. Therefore, finding the correct intensity of correction risks causing pain, physical harm, damaging the dog’s temperament and/or creating new behaviour problems. The unpleasant experience can cause stress, anxiety, and/or depression, leading to other behavior issues and/or the inability to learn. Limitations: Goals must be achieved with as few corrections as possible. Excellent timing is essential for the dog to associate the correction with the unwanted behaviour. Since it takes very little strength to deliver a severe correction, the risk for misuse and abuse is high. Because human behaviour is often affected by emotions, there is a risk of bad judgement and/or timing on part of the handler. The dog may not be able to feel the correction if there is too much hair between the prongs and the skin. This tool can only be effective once the dog understands the desired response. Links have been known to come loose resulting in an escaped dog. Putting the collar on the dog requires strength and good vision. If the collar is too loose, contact will be concentrated on one particular area which can result in too much pressure to one spot on the dog’s neck. If the collar is too tight it can cause non-stop pain and/or discomfort. The pinch collar can only be used during supervised training. The size of the links must be appropriate to the size of the dog. Viable Alternatives A suitable, well-fitting head halter (ie: Gentle Leader) Counter-conditioning Obedience training Systematic desensitization Negative Punishment - Remove something pleasant to decrease a behaviour Positive Punishment - Add something unpleasant to decrease a behaviour (Extremely Limited - ie; "Ah Ah" - must not cause fear or pain) Negative Reinforcement - Remove something unpleasant to increase a behaviour (Extremely Limited - ie; "Ah Ah" - must not cause fear or pain) Positive Reinforcement - Add something pleasant to increase a behaviour Interrupt and redirect Create a reliable “on-off” switch to put the behaviour on cue Creating other acceptable outlets for the unwanted behaviour Environmental management to prevent the unwanted behaviour from occurring References: R1 - “Habituation” - Excel-lerated Learning, Pamela J Reid Ph.D., James & Kenneth Publishers 1996 Page 37-38 JL
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02-22-2009, 02:52 PM | #18 |
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| Have you ever used a gentle leader or a gentle leader easy walk? Smokey is a terrible puller and he's 13 lbs and strong. The gentle leader allows me to have more control over him with out hurting him and he listens a lot better. Some people look that the gentle leader and think that it is a collar, but it is not pulling on the throat. If you go into a store and look at one, you will see that the hook where you put the leash is at the bottom of the nose, so when your dog goes to pull, it pulls his/her nose down putting pressure on the nose and causes them to stop pulling. The clasp is not attached to the neck part at all. When put on correctly, the gentle leader is a great tool! It's worth a shot. I would NOT use anything other then a gentle leader (or similar brand) or a harness on my dogs. In fact I got in a mini confrontation with a "trainer" at PetCo about that. She told me that if I wanted to be in her class that I have to use a collar and I walked away. I have to do what is best for MY dogs and their health. I don't care if it will take me longer to train them, their health is more important to me than that.
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02-22-2009, 05:57 PM | #19 | |
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Our previous dog was a big lab, so this little dog thing is new to me. Even at puppy play time in puppy class I was constantly watching the big dogs and the trainer had to scold the big dogs alot for being over aggressive with her. Yea they were learning at the expense of my little puppy! I would like to find a class that was for mid to small dogs only. Sorry no labs, or retrievers! | |
02-22-2009, 06:04 PM | #20 |
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| We use the gentle leader easy walk harness and it works wonderfull |
02-22-2009, 06:15 PM | #21 | |
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02-23-2009, 11:41 AM | #22 |
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| We lost our little girl to a collapsed trachea. She had it when we first took her in. We were told right away not to use anything other than a harness on her because a regular collar can squeeze when they are walking on a leash if they get too far away. After seeing what she went through because of the trachea problem, I won't use a regular collar on either of my dogs just to be safe. |
02-23-2009, 03:17 PM | #23 | |
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02-23-2009, 06:18 PM | #24 |
♥ Chip ♥ Smokey ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leesburg
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| It's a big deal because whether they are 3 lbs or 300 lbs, they should still know manners and be trained.
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02-23-2009, 06:44 PM | #25 |
Owned by Tumi & Gracie Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NYC
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| I am not an expert on training but all 3 of my girls used harnesses in their puppy kindergarten classes and it was fine. I would never be able to use pinch collars on my kiddos. It just my opinion...
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02-24-2009, 08:50 AM | #26 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St. Charles, MO
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| i would never use a pinch collar on Annie. She is a puller as well and I really like the idea of the easy walk harness, but never ever a pinch collar on a Yorkie. |
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