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Leaving food and water in crate while gone Who does this when you're gone? I hate depriving my pup of food and water. At the same time though, he's potty training and I don't want him making accidents in his crate. What do or did you all do? Thanks!:animal-pa |
Well Ben is 15 weeks now, and he is crate trained while alone at the house and goes outside when we are home. I do not leave food and water in his crate because he always eats everything in the bowl in about 2 min so it wouldnt really matter if I put food in there while I was gone anyways and he only drinks his water when he eats...so to answer your question No I dont leave food or water in his crate while I am gone...and I think some people do the same thing as well. |
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Frankly, I shocked at your reply. Who told you this was the best way? I think puppies need access to food and water at all times. Small dogs under 4 pounds can develop hypoglycemia, if they go too long a period without eating. Joey's breeder recommended free feeding until the age of 7 months. If you are leaving for long periods of time, where are they going to the bathroom? Do you expect a small puppy to hold it all day? Most puppies even have to get up during the night at least once, and at night bladder output is reduced making urination less frequent. Most people put their dogs in an x-pen with a crate or bed in it, water and food, and a pee pad. If you have no x-pen you can do the same thing in a bathroom. Water should be available all the time. |
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Well I have had Ben since he was 12 weeks and he has never peed in the bed. If I get up in the middle of the night then I will take him outside to go but If I dont get up, he dosent pee in the bed. I guess all puppies are different. I chose not to free feed because Ben eats everything in his bowl as soon as I put it in there so free feeding really wouldnt work for me. I leave Ben in his crate while I am at work and he dosent poop in the crate, and once in awhile does pee, but I he wears in belly band while in his crate. I just think it is harder to potty training when you have water available at all times, but that is JMO. I can assure you that my puppy is healthy, and the way I do things isnt the way that everybody does things. But I know that I have read other posts about this topic and everybody does it their own way |
I should probably mention that this is for when I'm gone for shorter periods of time. Like today, I was gone for 4 hours and he peed, although my roommate let him out of his crate after 2 hours of being in there (and he went potty before I left). I would always leave him in his ex pen when I'm gone for a long time. |
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You have had your puppy only three weeks. Just because nothing bad has happened yet, don't assume it won't. Check out this website on potty training, it gives a schedule Indoor Potty Training - Method #2, and for 15 week old puppy every two hours in the day time, and every 4 hours at night. This schedule was written with all breeds in mind, and since the Yorkies are smaller than most, most people think these times should even be more frequent. Puppies grow at different speeds and have growth spurts, their appetites reflect this and some days they will eat twice as much as other days. The food amount given on the bag is a guideline; it should be adjusted if necessary. You do not have to worry about a puppy getting too fat; they will stop eating when full. Older dogs sometimes have a problem with being free feed, but their calorie needs are not near the puppy's needs. Puppies have tiny stomachs, and a twice a day feeding is not near enough. I assume your dog is a Yorkie? Please don't just take my word for this, but ask others if you don't believe me, you need to do more research on this. |
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Even in a puppy mill they must be given access to water at all times. |
Nancy, Thank you for the the input. If you would read my above statement, he was taken out every 2 hours. Thank you for telling me how they take care of dogs in puppy mills as well. My pup is in much better conditions however lol. ;) |
Sophie had kidney failure right after we got her, as a very young puppy, and we had to be sure she was hydrated. When she finally turned the corner and seemed to be better (no more treatment), I just felt it was still very important to keep water nearby at all times. We rarely use the crate anymore, but when we do, I always put water in there. She is 7 y/o now. |
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After I wrote that, I hoped you wouldn't take it the wrong way, I'm just was trying to emphasize that the government has felt this is important enough to make it a law. |
My Rudy & Lucky are crated while were @ work. The longest the've been in their crates @ one time is like 5 hours. Then my husband stops home during his delivery work and lets them outside to do their business and get a drink inside. We do give them a treat before they go back in their crates. Then their back in their crates till I get home. We don't leave any food or water in their crates for them. Rudy is 2 years old and Lucky is 4. Lovemyalfie, I know other's might not agree with this. But we've done this since Rudy was like maybe 12 weeks old. We never had any problems, health wise or peeing or pooping in his crate. Good Luck. :goodluck: |
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And I'm not the only one :) |
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I have say I am with Nancy on this one 15 weeks is to long to leave longer then three hours at a time if that. Food and water should be accessable at all times that young. Water sorry unless they are transport all the time by law. I can leave my 6 year old from 7:30 until 7:30 No problem and in an emergency I have but long term I have cover at least once if not twice in the day. Now I had to up end my life to do that but I choice a dog in my life and one with amazing special needs dog that blow many a mind and as her Mother my choice was to make sure her life was high quality. ( not saying your are not trying but well my brats a toe nail curler of issuse it take a ton of effort to deal with this beasty) Now that said puppies need a boat load of soical skills and they need to see no less then 100 people places and things and sounds by the time they are 16 weeks old and for soical skills and learning that is way to long of a day for a puppy to not be soicalizing. Sochoices are.... puppy day care, dog walker. take her to grandmas, or a freinds or come home if you can until she at a year in and expen and able to pee on pee pads. Food and water always if tiny. JL |
I leave food and water in Oscar's crate. He has a 48 inch crate and is litter boxed trained, so I also leave a box at the back end when I'm going to be gone more than an hour or two. |
Water should always be available for your puppy in addition to letting him out on a regular basis. Depending it's weight, food should be given at regular times. I feed Bigos twice a day while I am home. |
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Im not trying to argue either, but I did read her post and if you go back and read at the end, she said she has been doing this since he was 12 weeks old. I'm just saying everybody does it different and one way isnt always the right way. As long as everyone's healthy that is all that matters. |
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would you leave a human child without water or food for that long at 12 weeks ??? Yes know they are dogs and not kids but they are both babies. JL |
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While I understand that there are many different ways to do things, sometimes there is only one right way. While, people have different opinions on free feeding, since Yorkies are susceptible to hypoglycemia, going without food for long periods is not advisable. If your dog is 4 pounds or over, you probably need not worry. However, I do not think any of the experts argue whether water should ever be withheld. Puppies need water and cannot be deprived of it. A dog can starve and lose almost all of his body fat and half of his protein mass (muscle) and still survive. However, if this same patient loses 15% of his body water, he will die. Water is the most important nutrient of all. Health can be a fleeting thing. |
When Lilly was a puppy I left her in our kitchen with a gate up and the laundry room door shut, leaving her only to access the kitchen. I left her bed, a pee pad, water, food and toys in there with her. Now, she wouldn't eat or drink while I was gone (seperation anxiety, I assume) so I would always give her some Nutri-Cal before I left in the mornings. She was fine, she's now a healthy 9 lb 1 year old but that doesn't mean your dog or someone elses dog will be fine, all dogs are different. I think all dogs, no matter the age, need to be left with water AT ALL TIMES. Pups need to be left with food too due to hypoglycemia. |
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They get better at training as they grow older but for now you're taking a chance with his life not letting him have water & food |
I don't know if I agree with the others or not. We got our puppy at 3 months and did not leave him water while he was in his cage. Now we weren't gone alot either. Starting in August he was alone 8 hours when we were back to work. He had someone letting him out one time in the day, but we still left him no water because he was having accidents. We now leave him water because he is able to hold it. He was not deprived, or mistreated. He was having accidents and the water was causing it. He was given access to water once while we were gone and I feel that is enough while you are training.:D You need to do what is best for your dog and in your situation, no one can tell you you are wrong or right. |
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Does this mean if you work you cannot get a dog? We have a 4 month old yorkie and he is very healthy and we were told by our vet to only feed our dog twice a day. He is in his crate while my kids are at school and we are at work. We do not leave him food and water in his crate. He drinks and eats in the morning and does his business outside before we crate him. When we let him out he is with us the remainder of the evening until bed at which time he goes into his crate without food and water. He is a very happy dog and he loves his crate. I guess not everyone can be fortunate to be home all day with their animals. |
If you are crate training a puppy, say 15wks or older, leaving them without food or water, if they had both earlier, is not wrong. To leave food and water in a crate is only setting your puppy up for failure and you will never get him/her trained! I am not talking about a 1 or 3lb pup who may need to be feed more often. I am talking about a puppy who eats 2-3 times daily. Buddy was 14 1/2 wks when I got him. I left no food or water in his crate during the day. I put him in his crate at 8:15 after being walked and returned home at 12:15 to give him water and walk him again. Back into the crate until I got home at 5:15. He was, at the time 6lbs. He was trained in 1mo. I did not get up during the night either! My vet told me not to unless I wanted to be on his schedule instead of having him on mine. I walked him at 10:30 and put him into his crate until 6:00 am. I heard him cry a couple of times during the night but did not get up. His crate was dry when I did get up and right out he went. After only a month he was fully completely trained and then the crate was taken away and he stayed in the kitchen with two gates up. He did not starve and it is not harmful for them as long as you use you head and make sure they are fed and watered at least three times a day until they are trained. If you are home and water is kept down, like the weekends and you see them drink be sure to get them out within 15mins to pee or there will be an accident. It is very important to get them on a schedule. They love schedules and feel secure with one. Good luck |
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I know I shouldn't touch this but I can't help myself;) First off no one suggest NOT TO GIVE YOUR DOG WATER. It's monitoring the water that makes training happen. I am sure the law will not knock on your door demanding you give your puppy water 24/7. If more people took training serious the pounds and resuce's would not be over run by dog's who were turned in because they could not be trained. As far as a human baby is concerned you can not compare a dog with a baby. A baby wears diapers which catch the pee and poop. They are not trained until they possibly reach the age of two years old. Who want's to clean pee and poop up from a dog for two years? Not I for sure. If it's done right your pup will be trained by 6-7 months old. It will not die of thurst or die of hunger. Let's talk real and not nonsence. I did it monitoring food and water. It worked so who's to say it's wrong? Buddy was not damaged nor did he die. He's healthy, happy, loved to pieces and spoiled rotten. What more could you ask for? If people would stop taking one sentence turning it around and running away with it causing trouble YT would be a better place for learning instead of making poster's feel attacked. If someone get's results they are doing something right, right? |
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I greatly like to think that 12 weeks is far to young to leave a dog alone without water or food well if you think it fine great have at it. But you can worry about kidney damagae or hypogicima and undersoicalization and that kills and gets them in pounds as well. I have trained a dog at 8 weeks to pee and poop outside and left water down all the time. JL |
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