Glenda Beavers Pet Store Issue

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by YorkieAZ

After seeing the facts, I can say that my opinion has changed. I would never purchase from a breeder whose ethics believe it is okay to send anyones dogs to a pet store.

Very Good Post. Thanks for making the main point very clear. Elaine

[bildio]

Originally Posted by YorkieAZ

After seeing the facts, I can say that my opinion has changed. I would never purchase from a breeder whose ethics believe it is okay to send anyones dogs to a pet store.

Are all pet stores that sell pups bad?

How about vets that sign certificates for shipment of pups to a pet store? Are they ethical or excused because they are just doing their job?

[topknot]

Putting the piceces together...

I have done some research on my own and this is what I came up with a Nancy and Sean Silverman that own Captiva Kennels
I think Glenda was decived by this person Nancy Silverman - owner of two places a show kennel and a pet shop. The web site states - they (Nancy and Sean) show their dogs. By looking at the the front page they look very nice. When into the site they have more breeds than I would like - but it is not uncommon for some show people to have several breeds. This is what Glenda probably knew them as - show people with a kennel. No more, no less.
I think when Glenda finally found out the truth later (after shipping the pups) - she was very shocked and surprised. As far as she knew she was a show exhibitor with a kennel and needed pups from another breeder in her area shipped to her.

As far as transporting dogs as a favor - I have brought back a dog from my handler to its owner. I have also had a friend pick up my girl from my handler and bring her to me, since she was dropping hers off to the handler.

As a previous vet tech - when someone comes in for a health certificate in order to have the dog fly - as a technician, I would fill in the information including person that brought the dogs in as owner, not that they were the owner. This is just what we write. Things are happening so fast and we were normally busy - we would just write the name down. So I can see how the vet clinic would have wrote Glenda's name as the owner when she was not. The tech is always responsible for filling out the paperwork at my vets office and then the vet just signs it.

As far as the pet shop name being on the cert. - that can be whited out and changed to say the pet shops name and then rewrote - it is not hard to copy someone's signature. You make a copy of the changed document and then you have a new original with names switched.

I still think that Glenda was lied to and deceived. Glenda is not one to lie - reason why - she just stated the truth and really trusted this Nancy person. A mistake was made and she got trapped into it. I am sure she has learned a very valuable lesson. There are many people out there that believe people for what they say and I am sure she believed this Nancy.
End of story.

Also - people should not get so mad at a person (breeder) when a breeder reduces their amount for a puppy. She may have had the boy awhile and needed to sell him and when a good home came calling she decided to reduce the price. This is not uncommon to happen. The boy may have been growing larger than expected, she may have had to go on a trip and needed to have all puppies find new homes, she may have been sick at the time, whatever ... and when this person called and seemed like she would have given this pup a good - Glenda decided to reduce the price. So do not get mad a Glenda for this and cause more problems - making this more than it is and jumping to conclusions. It is better to search for the whole truth.

Good Advice: One will hear a lot in the show world and you must learn to not trust all you hear and even question the other half you think may be true. There are always two sides to a story as well. If anything had been up wrong with Glenda - it would have been said years ago in the show world and there was nothing.

Reason - I came back on was that I do not like someone pulled through the mud, nailed up and crucified without knowing the full truth about them. It seems like we only have pieces and people were making assumptions - and you know what happens when someone assumes!! Sad to say but true - the Truth is less exciting!

[Susan123]

Originally Posted by bildio

Are all pet stores that sell pups bad?

How about vets that sign certificates for shipment of pups to a pet store? Are they ethical or excused because they are just doing their job?

As much as it's preached against on YorkieTalk, I think we do know that pet stores that sell pups are bad. Just to start, the first one with money gets the dog. No screening of potential homes and choosing. It's a well known fact that they get their dogs from USDA commercial, mass producing "puppy mills".


One article of many...
Pet Stores And Puppy Mills by Matthew Margolis on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

excerp: Statistics reveal that as many as 98 percent of pet-store pups come from puppy mills or "brokers" acting as middlemen. Pet stores, in turn, slap an exorbitant price tag on these dogs. After all, they're pedigreed.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by topknot

Putting the piceces together...

I have done some research on my own and this is what I came up with a Nancy and Sean Silverman that own Captiva Kennels
I think Glenda was decived by this person Nancy Silverman - owner of two places a show kennel and a pet shop. The web site states - they (Nancy and Sean) show their dogs. By looking at the the front page they look very nice. When into the site they have more breeds than I would like - but it is not uncommon for some show people to have several breeds. This is what Glenda probably knew them as - show people with a kennel. No more, no less.
I think when Glenda finally found out the truth later (after shipping the pups) - she was very shocked and surprised. As far as she knew she was a show exhibitor with a kennel and needed pups from another breeder in her area shipped to her.

As far as transporting dogs as a favor - I have brought back a dog from my handler to its owner. I have also had a friend pick up my girl from my handler and bring her to me, since she was dropping hers off to the handler.

As a previous vet tech - when someone comes in for a health certificate in order to have the dog fly - as a technician, I would fill in the information including person that brought the dogs in as owner, not that they were the owner. This is just what we write. Things are happening so fast and we were normally busy - we would just write the name down. So I can see how the vet clinic would have wrote Glenda's name as the owner when she was not. The tech is always responsible for filling out the paperwork at my vets office and then the vet just signs it.

As far as the pet shop name being on the cert. - that can be whited out and changed to say the pet shops name and then rewrote - it is not hard to copy someone's signature. You make a copy of the changed document and then you have a new original with names switched.

I still think that Glenda was lied to and deceived. Glenda is not one to lie - reason why - she just stated the truth and really trusted this Nancy person. A mistake was made and she got trapped into it. I am sure she has learned a very valuable lesson. There are many people out there that believe people for what they say and I am sure she believed this Nancy.
End of story.

Also - people should not get so mad at a person (breeder) when a breeder reduces their amount for a puppy. She may have had the boy awhile and needed to sell him and when a good home came calling she decided to reduce the price. This is not uncommon to happen. The boy may have been growing larger than expected, she may have had to go on a trip and needed to have all puppies find new homes, she may have been sick at the time, whatever ... and when this person called and seemed like she would have given this pup a good - Glenda decided to reduce the price. So do not get mad a Glenda for this and cause more problems - making this more than it is and jumping to conclusions. It is better to search for the whole truth.

Good Advice: One will hear a lot in the show world and you must learn to not trust all you hear and even question the other half you think may be true. There are always two sides to a story as well. If anything had been up wrong with Glenda - it would have been said years ago in the show world and there was nothing.

Reason - I came back on was that I do not like someone pulled through the mud, nailed up and crucified without knowing the full truth about them. It seems like we only have pieces and people were making assumptions - and you know what happens when someone assumes!! Sad to say but true - the Truth is less exciting!

I like the way you present new facts, and reason, as opposed to strong emotion, to the discussion.

[Susan123]

I'm sorry, I don't see any facts. Opinion sure, but not facts.

I think Glenda was deceived...This is what Glenda probably knew them as... I think when Glenda finally found out the truth later..I still think that Glenda was lied to and deceived...

[bildio]

Originally Posted by Susan123

I'm sorry, I don't see any facts. Opinion sure, but not facts.

I have done some research on my own and this is what I came up with a Nancy and Sean Silverman that own Captiva Kennels ---

As a previous vet tech - when someone comes in for a health certificate in order to have the dog fly - as a technician, I would fill in the information including person that brought the dogs in as owner, not that they were the owner.

Take the facts for what you will, they are new information.

[Susan123]

Sorry, Captiva Kennels is not new information. Only to those that hadn't thought to look at PuppyLoves website. As a breeder, if I were to ship a dog for someone, I'd be sure that the owner's name is used, most people would. These are important records for a breeding program. You want to keep these accurate and a copy on hand in case there is some sort of conflict about whether or not a health certificate was issued.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by Susan123

Sorry, Captiva Kennels is not new information.

Sure it is. It hadn't previously been mentioned in this thread.

Please, no more comments on my comments, I want to focus on buying a Yorkie.

[Ines3185lyorkie]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Everyone has a right to their own opinions. As I said, I've seen proof, too bad you choose to ignore the "truth". That's your opinion though. If you like her, go ahead and buy from her, no one is stopping you!

Thank you for YOUR permission. Wow, don't be so catty

[topknot]

[quote=Susan123;2354601]

Sorry, Captiva Kennels is not new information. Only to those that hadn't thought to look at PuppyLoves website.

Sorry Susan - but I was trying to look at it through what GB had to check out Nancy at first - When I do a search for Nancy Silverman and CT - (probably what Glenda did) I do not get Puppy Love at All - nothing coming up in any of the search this way. This make reason why GB did not know about it till way later.

[Txgurl06]

Originally Posted by topknot

Putting the piceces together...

I have done some research on my own and this is what I came up with a Nancy and Sean Silverman that own Captiva Kennels
I think Glenda was decived by this person Nancy Silverman - owner of two places a show kennel and a pet shop. The web site states - they (Nancy and Sean) show their dogs. By looking at the the front page they look very nice. When into the site they have more breeds than I would like - but it is not uncommon for some show people to have several breeds. This is what Glenda probably knew them as - show people with a kennel. No more, no less.
I think when Glenda finally found out the truth later (after shipping the pups) - she was very shocked and surprised. As far as she knew she was a show exhibitor with a kennel and needed pups from another breeder in her area shipped to her.

As far as transporting dogs as a favor - I have brought back a dog from my handler to its owner. I have also had a friend pick up my girl from my handler and bring her to me, since she was dropping hers off to the handler.

As a previous vet tech - when someone comes in for a health certificate in order to have the dog fly - as a technician, I would fill in the information including person that brought the dogs in as owner, not that they were the owner. This is just what we write. Things are happening so fast and we were normally busy - we would just write the name down. So I can see how the vet clinic would have wrote Glenda's name as the owner when she was not. The tech is always responsible for filling out the paperwork at my vets office and then the vet just signs it.

As far as the pet shop name being on the cert. - that can be whited out and changed to say the pet shops name and then rewrote - it is not hard to copy someone's signature. You make a copy of the changed document and then you have a new original with names switched.

I still think that Glenda was lied to and deceived. Glenda is not one to lie - reason why - she just stated the truth and really trusted this Nancy person. A mistake was made and she got trapped into it. I am sure she has learned a very valuable lesson. There are many people out there that believe people for what they say and I am sure she believed this Nancy.
End of story.

Also - people should not get so mad at a person (breeder) when a breeder reduces their amount for a puppy. She may have had the boy awhile and needed to sell him and when a good home came calling she decided to reduce the price. This is not uncommon to happen. The boy may have been growing larger than expected, she may have had to go on a trip and needed to have all puppies find new homes, she may have been sick at the time, whatever ... and when this person called and seemed like she would have given this pup a good - Glenda decided to reduce the price. So do not get mad a Glenda for this and cause more problems - making this more than it is and jumping to conclusions. It is better to search for the whole truth.

Good Advice: One will hear a lot in the show world and you must learn to not trust all you hear and even question the other half you think may be true. There are always two sides to a story as well. If anything had been up wrong with Glenda - it would have been said years ago in the show world and there was nothing.

Reason - I came back on was that I do not like someone pulled through the mud, nailed up and crucified without knowing the full truth about them. It seems like we only have pieces and people were making assumptions - and you know what happens when someone assumes!! Sad to say but true - the Truth is less exciting!

But GB did know where she was shipping to Puppy Land and it is a puppymill which she did admit. Why if she should would never send her own dogs there because puppymills are bad then y would she send someone elses dogs there. I think she would have never did that numerous times if she was worried about her reputation because doing that makes you look bad. I have also contacted glenda about a puppy before but then bought else where instead so i have nothing against her to be writing this. Why are the only people sticking up for her people who have bought dogs from her. I mean its hard to take in it is shocking. Before today i would have contacted her again about available puppies. I love her babies and her website. I would never have thought this but she did admit she ships to puppy mills she didnt state just one time she said from time to time she does this. Its still wrong either way.

[Txgurl06]

[quote=topknot;2354614]

Originally Posted by Susan123

Sorry Susan - but I was trying to look at it through what GB had to check out Nancy at first - When I do a search for Nancy Silverman and CT - (probably what Glenda did) I do not get Puppy Love at All - nothing coming up in any of the search this way. This make reason why GB did not know about it till way later.

Glenda said in her post here that she is friends with PuppyLove and ships to them from time to time as a friend but doesnt ship her own dogs.

[Susan123]

[quote=topknot;2354614]

Originally Posted by Susan123

Sorry Susan - but I was trying to look at it through what GB had to check out Nancy at first - When I do a search for Nancy Silverman and CT - (probably what Glenda did) I do not get Puppy Love at All - nothing coming up in any of the search this way. This make reason why GB did not know about it till way later.

I understand what you're saying. There's always two sides to the story. I'd love to hear a thorough explanation from her. But she doesn't owe me one per se. I don't want to see a breeder bashed unjustly. However, the health certificates are written to Puppy Love. I know you mentioned the possibility of that part being forged, but then why would someone white out and write in that particular pet store? It could've been any store in America, but it just happens to be a petstore owned by people she eventually admits to dealing with.

[topknot]

At first - she did not know they were being shipped to Puppy Love!! She learned this later. She, as far as she knew, was shipping them to a friend that had a kennel. She did not know about Puppy Love being involved or that they would end up there at the time she shipped!!!! She admitted here that she did ship to Puppy Love, because several days ago - she knew this was the truth, but not at the time when she shipped. Do you understand what I wrote? I hope it makes sense. That took a lot of guts to be truthful to us. She could have lied or tried to cover it up.