Do not buy loretta plise yorkies from oakdale !!!!!

[madpuppymills]

QUOTE=Yorkiemom1;3945261]Here is another lead balloon: For the people out there that, for whatever reason choose to BUY their baby from a breeder, you not only have to do YOUR homework on the breeder, you MUST accept responsibility for keeping your precious little baby from ending up like the attachments on the above site. Just one example: DO NOT get a puppy if you know you will be starting a family in 3-5 years and you do not want the dog in the house with the new baby. You have made a committment to this puppy for the life of the puppy, which could be from 10 - 15 years or more! Puppies are surrendered to rescues by people that have made the wrong decision to get a puppy in the first place...they keep the baby until they tire of it, or have other life changes, and they kick it to the curb. THAT IS NOT ANY BREEDERS FAULT. Most reputable breeders, like rescues, mandate the baby goes back to them...owners are embarrassed to follow through with that mandate, so they surrender the baby to a pound or just turn it out.....we have no legal control over what people do with their dogs after they get them...all we can do is try to closely screen buyers, have them sign contracts that include returning the dog to the breeder if ever necessary, microchip the dog and list US as alternate contacts, and hope the buyer lives up to our expectations and their word. Dogs are in rescues because of irresponsible buyers, not ALWAYS irresponsible breeders! "ADOPT...DONT SHOP"???.... BUYERS MUST ACCEPT ACCOUNTABLITY FOR THEIR DECISION TO GET A PUPPY REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY GET IT. BREEDERS CAN NOT BE BLAMED FOR ALL THE DOGS IN RESCUES.[/QUOTE]

For the life of me, I could not figure out why you have such animosity towards the OP and this whole situation, going so far as to accuse her of being a thief. I get it now. You are a breeder and are just defending your "career choice". One quick look at your past posts, and the first sentence that jumped out off the page was where you referred to your "breeding stock". Oh yea, I definitely get it now, and therefore will be bowing gracefully out of this conversation. The only reason I became involved in it was because Chinalee had emailed me with her story and asked for suggestions/help. Chinalee/Karen - good luck to you and your pup. I have forwarded your information to organizations who are very successful with this type of situation. I encourage you to file a report with petshoppuppiies.org. "Loretta" and her unlicensed/illegal breeders are already on their radar and I know that they would welcome any information you can give them. You made a decision that others may not agree with, but honestly, it's none of their business, and please know that most compassionate people would be behind you 100%. Those that are not - well, it's obvious now that they have their own agenda.

Yorkimom1 - I won't argue with you about the responsibilities of buyers versus breeders. But will just say that for every puppy born to one of your "breeding stock", a perfectly healthy and loving dog is put to death. You can blame whoever you want, but the only ones who are not to blame are the dogs, and they can't fix this - we humans have to do that. Until you face the truth and realize that we CAN fix this, nothing I can say or do will mean anything to you. I hope that one day you will come to this realization on your own and decide to try and help make a difference. And, for the record, I had posted in a previous message that while I 100% disagree with breeding dogs for profit, I accept that it is a necessary evil and that the very few reputable breeders out there play an important role in helping us put an end to puppy mills by keeping potential buyers out of pet shops and off the internet.
My final suggestion - stop blaming and start making a difference. And oh yea, Adopt. Don't Shop. Ever.
www.madpuppymills.org

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

At the end of the day, all I can say is Thank you for taking care of this pup...the pup is what counts here, many of us really do understand, right or wrong....

What she said!!

[Zoejane]

Originally Posted by madpuppymills

QUOTE=Yorkiemom1;3945261]Here is another lead balloon: For the people out there that, for whatever reason choose to BUY their baby from a breeder, you not only have to do YOUR homework on the breeder, you MUST accept responsibility for keeping your precious little baby from ending up like the attachments on the above site. Just one example: DO NOT get a puppy if you know you will be starting a family in 3-5 years and you do not want the dog in the house with the new baby. You have made a committment to this puppy for the life of the puppy, which could be from 10 - 15 years or more! Puppies are surrendered to rescues by people that have made the wrong decision to get a puppy in the first place...they keep the baby until they tire of it, or have other life changes, and they kick it to the curb. THAT IS NOT ANY BREEDERS FAULT. Most reputable breeders, like rescues, mandate the baby goes back to them...owners are embarrassed to follow through with that mandate, so they surrender the baby to a pound or just turn it out.....we have no legal control over what people do with their dogs after they get them...all we can do is try to closely screen buyers, have them sign contracts that include returning the dog to the breeder if ever necessary, microchip the dog and list US as alternate contacts, and hope the buyer lives up to our expectations and their word. Dogs are in rescues because of irresponsible buyers, not ALWAYS irresponsible breeders! "ADOPT...DONT SHOP"???.... BUYERS MUST ACCEPT ACCOUNTABLITY FOR THEIR DECISION TO GET A PUPPY REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY GET IT. BREEDERS CAN NOT BE BLAMED FOR ALL THE DOGS IN RESCUES.

For the life of me, I could not figure out why you have such animosity towards the OP and this whole situation, going so far as to accuse her of being a thief. I get it now. You are a breeder and are just defending your "career choice". One quick look at your past posts, and the first sentence that jumped out off the page was where you referred to your "breeding stock". Oh yea, I definitely get it now, and therefore will be bowing gracefully out of this conversation. The only reason I became involved in it was because Chinalee had emailed me with her story and asked for suggestions/help. Chinalee/Karen - good luck to you and your pup. I have forwarded your information to organizations who are very successful with this type of situation. I encourage you to file a report with petshoppuppiies.org. "Loretta" and her unlicensed/illegal breeders are already on their radar and I know that they would welcome any information you can give them. You made a decision that others may not agree with, but honestly, it's none of their business, and please know that most compassionate people would be behind you 100%. Those that are not - well, it's obvious now that they have their own agenda.

Yorkimom1 - I won't argue with you about the responsibilities of buyers versus breeders. But will just say that for every puppy born to one of your "breeding stock", a perfectly healthy and loving dog is put to death. You can blame whoever you want, but the only ones who are not to blame are the dogs, and they can't fix this - we humans have to do that. Until you face the truth and realize that we CAN fix this, nothing I can say or do will mean anything to you. I hope that one day you will come to this realization on your own and decide to try and help make a difference. And, for the record, I had posted in a previous message that while I 100% disagree with breeding dogs for profit, I accept that it is a necessary evil and that the very few reputable breeders out there play an important role in helping us put an end to puppy mills by keeping potential buyers out of pet shops and off the internet.
My final suggestion - stop blaming and start making a difference. And oh yea, Adopt. Don't Shop. Ever.
www.madpuppymills.org[/QUOTE]


You are awesome!

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by Zoejane

But will just say that for every puppy born to one of your "breeding stock", a perfectly healthy and loving dog is put to death.

Please explain HOW this is so???

It seems to be the attitude of some zealots that I as a potential dog owner/future puppy buyer, am somehow obligated to take some irresponsible idiot's castoff rather than choosing to get the puppy I want from the breeder I want. I have no such obligation!

Those that choose to rescue & rehome, make that choice for themselves. But wreckless owners that fail in their life-time commitment to their animals shouldn't set the rules for those of us that want to select our puppies from certain "breeding stock" because said breeding stock as features, characters & temperament that we desire.

Where do you get off with the attitude that responsible breeders shouldn't breed because irresponsible people dispose of their animals and don't care & provide for them for their entire life? To me...that's whacked!!!

[madpuppymills]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Please explain HOW this is so???

It seems to be the attitude of some zealots that I as a potential dog owner/future puppy buyer, am somehow obligated to take some irresponsible idiot's castoff rather than choosing to get the puppy I want from the breeder I want. I have no such obligation!

Those that choose to rescue & rehome, make that choice for themselves. But wreckless owners that fail in their life-time commitment to their animals shouldn't set the rules for those of us that want to select our puppies from certain "breeding stock" because said breeding stock as features, characters & temperament that we desire.

Where do you get off with the attitude that responsible breeders shouldn't breed because irresponsible people dispose of their animals and don't care & provide for them for their entire life? To me...that's whacked!!!

You don't have to say anymore on this subject, really. I wouldn't want ANY dog being raised in a house with someone who believes that a dog should die because a human is irresponsible.
This is quite possibly the most selfish, self-serving, and sad post that I have read in a long time.

[madpuppymills]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Please explain HOW this is so???

It seems to be the attitude of some zealots that I as a potential dog owner/future puppy buyer, am somehow obligated to take some irresponsible idiot's castoff rather than choosing to get the puppy I want from the breeder I want. I have no such obligation!

Those that choose to rescue & rehome, make that choice for themselves. But wreckless owners that fail in their life-time commitment to their animals shouldn't set the rules for those of us that want to select our puppies from certain "breeding stock" because said breeding stock as features, characters & temperament that we desire.

Where do you get off with the attitude that responsible breeders shouldn't breed because irresponsible people dispose of their animals and don't care & provide for them for their entire life? To me...that's whacked!!!

and I really am curious about your comment "wanting dogs from breeding stock for certain features and characters". You must show dogs?

[bailie]

if i paid half the money for a pup and it fell ill and cost me a lot in the vets never mind not getting the papers etc i wud cancell it to,,,,, and finding out she is a greeder is the icing on the cake,,,,,, omg sometime biding by the law doesnt work,,, expose this greeder for wat she is, go to ur local papers. fight for the little soul,,,,, good luck ,, i wud love to curse my head off right now

[TxVicki]

[QUOTE=madpuppymills;3946892]

[concretegurl]

I have a rescue I got from the pound.
He barely passed the adoptability requirements I knew the adoption cordonator from an antichin farm rescue group.
I beleive in rescue whole heartidly to this day. I do NOT regret adopting scoobers, hes the best NOW after hundreds on trainers behaviorist and meds plus months years of learning on the cuff about so much.
Scoobers was dumped by a pup mill, while psychically healthy he is still very psychologically damaged...he was only 5 months when we got him.

When we decided to adopt again we bought a yorkie from a private greeder. My mistake but again no regrets we love Elvis, with his arthritus, epilepsy and neurological and psycological damage.

If adopting again I'd go to a responsible breeder for a puppy.

Nothing wrong with that, pet stores, pup mills BYBs and greeders are the problem in conjunction with irrisponsible pet owners.

Okay I lie, I think rescue is just for us or we'd take a breeders rehomed. I'm now pewpared and aware of the needs of rescues.

However I'd never fault anyone for buying from a responsible breeder...fault the irrisponsible breeders and pet owners please.

[Teegy]

My breeder has also taken several rescues in and successfully rehomed them with customers she knows they would be very well cared for

[Teegy]

This whole argument about breeding dogs for profit is getting on my nads. Where do you think your dog came from the dog stork?
I support good breeders such as yorkie mom who take care to ensure the pups are physically and mentally sound giving us the pet owner a peace of mind and a great support system for information through the life of our dogs. I also have a safe place where I know my dogs will be happy and well care for should an emergency arise or I chose to travel without them.
I think it is a wonderful thing to know that if I couldn't take care of my dogs any longer that my breeder would take them back and find appropriate homes for them.
Now I applaud those of you who gothe rescue route. I personally don't have free flowing cash allowing me to fork out thousands for meds and surgeries and doggy psychiatrists. An good for you for taking the dumped unwanted dis guarded pets and puppy mill victims. But I don't think that gives you the right to shun a responsible caring breeder.
It like religion and politics. We all have our opinions and we can chose to disagree.
I love and respect my breeder

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by madpuppymills

You don't have to say anymore on this subject, really. I wouldn't want ANY dog being raised in a house with someone who believes that a dog should die because a human is irresponsible.
This is quite possibly the most selfish, self-serving, and sad post that I have read in a long time.

I don't agree with you Kazzy is just saying you are being a bit preachy and suggesting that people such as myself don't have the right to choose a quality breeder. I find this move as responsible as rescue, I did two years of research before choosing my breeder.
I don't think Kazzy mentioned anything about a dog should die because I want a quality pup.
That is highly judgemental and rather insulting. You should go and moan at the irresponsible human that dumped your rescue dog, not the person providing a loving happy home to their dog.
You don't know what kind of support we give animal shelters and rescues behind the scenes or our involvement in getting city/provinical or federal legislature changed toward the better for animals in general.
good for you for having a code of ethics you stand by, no need to get so harsh.

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by bailie

if i paid half the money for a pup and it fell ill and cost me a lot in the vets never mind not getting the papers etc i wud cancell it to,,,,, and finding out she is a greeder is the icing on the cake,,,,,, omg sometime biding by the law doesnt work,,, expose this greeder for wat she is, go to ur local papers. fight for the little soul,,,,, good luck ,, i wud love to curse my head off right now

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Please explain HOW this is so???

It seems to be the attitude of some zealots that I as a potential dog owner/future puppy buyer, am somehow obligated to take some irresponsible idiot's castoff rather than choosing to get the puppy I want from the breeder I want. I have no such obligation!

Those that choose to rescue & rehome, make that choice for themselves. But wreckless owners that fail in their life-time commitment to their animals shouldn't set the rules for those of us that want to select our puppies from certain "breeding stock" because said breeding stock as features, characters & temperament that we desire.

Where do you get off with the attitude that responsible breeders shouldn't breed because irresponsible people dispose of their animals and don't care & provide for them for their entire life? To me...that's whacked!!!

Kazzy, I don't think you mean much of this the way it *sounds*. Please reconsider what you have posted here. Much of what you have posted is a slap in the face to the people on YT who work tirelessly everyday to help these pups, they don't view them this way, nor do many of us view them this way. Those pups are victims of those awful breeders and owners, they should be recognized as such and not blamed for being so. I don't feel that the pups deserve the sword your wielding and I would hope that you, in some shape, way or form support these animals and the folks who rescue selflessly each day...I'm sorry but this just doesn't sit well with me, and I needed to be heard.

[lynzy420]

Adopting a rescue is a decision that should be taken seriously and is commendable for those who do. Adopting a rescue is not for everybody and that is why so many good people are not selected to adopt. Placing one of these pups must be done carefully and essential criteria is necessary, for obvious reasons.

Those who are not interested in adopting a rescue should not be criticized for admitting that they can't/don't want to, that is exactly what a rescue doesn't want in an owner.

Getting a puppy from a responsible, ethical good breeder is also commendable, I wish I had....all I can do now is educate myself and advocate for the pups...and take care of both of my special needs girls!