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01-21-2011, 01:11 PM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Grand Rapids, MI, USA
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| Breeder Warning: Candy Colored Yorkies Hello everyone, I wanted to share my experience here so that perhaps I can help prevent someone else from going through what I have. I purchased an IBC Biewer from Betty Keller Candy Colored Yorkies Home as stud dog for the contracted price of $2,000. He was bred to my females and out of 7 pups I had two with PDA, (two different mothers) a genetic heart disorder that kills. I lost both pups (after extensive testing and meds at the clinic) these pups showed up with PDA at only age 3.5 weeks and could not be saved. My vet along with the other respected vet clinic told me to never breed the dog again. I contacted Betty and she will do NOTHING. I asked for a replacement dog from another line, or half the money back, but she does not even respond to me now. Yes, I have the proof in writing from my vet and the clinic and believe that if I take her to court I will win. But getting her to comply with a judgement is another story. She even told me she breeds the daughter to father and she has had no genetic testing done. This woman is out for a dollar any way she can get it. I have been a respected breeder for 17 years, she fooled me. Please be forewarned. |
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01-21-2011, 02:44 PM | #2 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | Sorry to hear about the pups. It's always sad when they can't be saved. I'm going to be a wet blanket here, but you say you have been a respected breeder for 17 years, yet you knowingly purchased from someone who does not do genetic testing. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. As for whether you will win in court or not, that depends on your contract. You would have to prove she sold you a dog with known defects in it's line. Again, because you say you have been breeding for a long time, I assume this is something you would have investigated prior to purchasing. I would also have to assume that you took it upon your self to have your stud completely vetted and tested prior to using him, and therefore, there was nothing apparently wrong with him. You are also going to have to prove that the defect came solely from the stud's line. That's going to be pretty hard to do because there are polygenic causes of PDA's. Again, it comes down to who knew what when. If she knew there were defects in the line, then you might win. If she had no way of knowing, then you might be out the money you spent on the stud. It all comes down to what's spelled out in your contract.
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01-21-2011, 10:29 PM | #3 | |
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01-21-2011, 10:36 PM | #4 |
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| Who Wins? Of course I had the stud completely vetted before using him. However, there is no test to determine a carrier of PDA . All my dogs are given liver shunt testing, patella exams etc. If she knew of the genetic trait or not she sold the dog to be used as a stud. PDA is assumed to be Polygenic. However this has not been proven yet. This does not diminish the fact that this male bred to two females from two different lines and produced PDA pups. If it is Polygenic (two sets of genes) then he would still have contributed to the PDA. Parents that produce PDA should not be used again. The contract was for a stud dog. My contention is that a good breeder would want to provided someone with a breeding dog that did not carry a life threatening genetic disorder and if it did they should be willing to replace that dog with a healthy genetic dog. It is not a matter of which party wins in court. No one wins when a breeder continues to produce dogs with a genetic disorder. |
01-22-2011, 05:52 AM | #5 | |
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You are so right it is a no winner, why don't you let everyone know who passed this on to her, it most likely started before her we need to get to the real source before it will be stopped, i am sorry for what you are going through
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01-22-2011, 10:16 AM | #6 | |
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Polygenic means two or more genes involved. Until a particular combination is made, the resulting defect doesn't appear. Your breeding bitches have to be assumed to be part of the problem.I'm glad to hear that you do not plan to breed them again, either. Do you sell on open or limited registration (I'm hoping that you will respond that you sell only on spay and neuter contracts) ? If you want people to make informed decisions, then in all fairness, your kennel should be named, too, because all of your lines could be carrying the potential for the defect. I'm quite aware that there is no test for PDA, again because it is polygenic in nature. You mentioned in your first post that she breeds father to daughter and doesn't test. Isn't that something you should have been aware of through your researching her lines prior to making a purchase from her? If you were told that she was in the progress of testing, then why oh why would you breed, not once but twice, until you had the results from her testing in hand? That just doesn't make sense at all to me. I absolutely agree that she should not be selling dogs for breeding if there is a defect in the line. I've looked at her site. There are a few things there that would make me ask questions before buying from her even just for a pet. I'm just wondering how you came across her and decided on her line for a stud. She says she shows/breeds chocolates, parti's and Biewers. I was under the impression that they couldn't be shown, only participate in agility or obedience events. It galls me to see that she says "call for full AKC price" on her pups available. That just screams to me that this is someone you shouldn't be buying from. Thank you for bringing her kennel name up for others to see your experience.
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01-25-2011, 09:36 AM | #7 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Grand Rapids, MI, USA
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| Yes I do sell my pups with spay, neuter contract. By the way, the father to daughter breeding was not recorded on any registry. She told me this when I called to tell her about the PDA as "proof" that her dogs were not carriers. Since she claimed she did not have any pups with PDA she said that proves it is not in the line. As a side note: I was recently diagnosed with a illness that will require me to close my kennel. Therefore, my dogs are all going to be spayed or neutered. |
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