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Originally Posted by Riley428  The testing was not carried out although I was told it was in process. Of course I had the stud completely vetted before using him. However, there is no test to determine a carrier of PDA . All my dogs are given liver shunt testing, patella exams etc. Both females had not produced any PDA pups before. If she knew of the genetic trait or not she sold the dog to be used as a stud. PDA is assumed to be Polygenic. However this has not been proven yet. This does not diminish the fact that this male bred to two females from two different lines and produced PDA pups. If it is Polygenic (two sets of genes) then he would still have contributed to the PDA. Parents that produce PDA should not be used again. The contract was for a stud dog. My contention is that a good breeder would want to provided someone with a breeding dog that did not carry a life threatening genetic disorder and if it did they should be willing to replace that dog with a healthy genetic dog. It is not a matter of which party wins in court. No one wins when a breeder continues to produce dogs with a genetic disorder. My post like so many others on this site was written to help others make a more informed decision as to where they want to purchase their breeding stock from. |
Polygenic means two or more genes involved. Until a particular combination is made, the resulting defect doesn't appear. Your breeding bitches have to be assumed to be part of the problem.I'm glad to hear that you do not plan to breed them again, either. Do you sell on open or limited registration (I'm hoping that you will respond that you sell only on spay and neuter contracts) ? If you want people to make informed decisions, then in all fairness, your kennel should be named, too, because all of your lines could be carrying the potential for the defect.
I'm quite aware that there is no test for PDA, again because it is polygenic in nature. You mentioned in your first post that she breeds father to daughter and doesn't test. Isn't that something you should have been aware of through your researching her lines prior to making a purchase from her? If you were told that she was in the progress of testing, then why oh why would you breed, not once but twice, until you had the results from her testing in hand? That just doesn't make sense at all to me.
I absolutely agree that she should not be selling dogs for breeding if there is a defect in the line. I've looked at her site. There are a few things there that would make me ask questions before buying from her even just for a pet. I'm just wondering how you came across her and decided on her line for a stud. She says she shows/breeds chocolates, parti's and Biewers. I was under the impression that they couldn't be shown, only participate in agility or obedience events. It galls me to see that she says "call for full AKC price" on her pups available. That just screams to me that this is someone you shouldn't be buying from.
Thank you for bringing her kennel name up for others to see your experience.