Kingcreek Breeders - Warning

[JS1989]

While I cannot speak for any one else on the forum, all I can do is relay my own experiences with the Kingcreek Kennel breeders:
I first contacted them 3 and a half years ago, and purchased a "teacup" male yorkie from them. He was far to young, when I received him (I cannot remember how young, but I think Peter even mentioned he thought he might have been too young now, to leave it's mother). The dog was 1.9 lbs, and was already sick with a virus. He died less than a week later. They're response was to let us pay again, half the cost of a Yorkie, and they gave us a "replacement" dog. We still trusted them and felt this may have been a fluke, and just bad luck. We have reason to believe they actually gave us a Silky Terrier, though we paid for a yorkie. This is of no consequence, since we love Slayer dearly, and think he is the best dog ever.
Reccently, Slayer has had difficulty jumping up on beds, or couches, and even into the car, all things that were easy for him to do before. We took him to the vet today, and he was diagnosed with bilateral luxating patellas (essentially both of his knee caps slide on and off very easily, which means OUCH every time it happens). He's only 3, and he will have to take Omega 3's and Glucosamine every day for his whole life now. He will also have arthritis when he gets older. He's been perscribed Meloxicam (Metacam) for his pain, and will have to take that daily until we can schedule a surgery for him (anywhere from 2200-2400 $$$). If he has to stay on the painkiller, he'll need annual bloodwork to make sure his other organs are doing ok. I called Anita today to discuss this, as Luxating Patellas are genetic, and seem to be a dominant gene, as far as I've heard. She admitted that she's had a few people contact her regarding this, but as far as she was concerned, she thought glucosamine alone would cure him. I saw the knee cap move....I'm fairly certain taking omega 3's and glucosamine alone cannot cause miracles like fixing a knee cap in place. She told me she wouldn't even look into his heritage, or his parents, because the line was most likely discontinued. I contacted her in hopes that she might take me seriously, and look into this pretty serious genetic defect...possibly call up other owners who may not have realized why their dog was limping or inexplicably unable to jump anymore. She took a pretty cavalier attitude about the entire thing. Thought I love love love my dog, and will do absolutely anything I can to help him- I truly regret even making contact with this kennel, which in my opinion needs to be seriously investigated.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by JS1989

While I cannot speak for any one else on the forum, all I can do is relay my own experiences with the Kingcreek Kennel breeders:
I first contacted them 3 and a half years ago, and purchased a "teacup" male yorkie from them. He was far to young, when I received him (I cannot remember how young, but I think Peter even mentioned he thought he might have been too young now, to leave it's mother). The dog was 1.9 lbs, and was already sick with a virus. He died less than a week later. They're response was to let us pay again, half the cost of a Yorkie, and they gave us a "replacement" dog. We still trusted them and felt this may have been a fluke, and just bad luck. We have reason to believe they actually gave us a Silky Terrier, though we paid for a yorkie. This is of no consequence, since we love Slayer dearly, and think he is the best dog ever.
Reccently, Slayer has had difficulty jumping up on beds, or couches, and even into the car, all things that were easy for him to do before. We took him to the vet today, and he was diagnosed with bilateral luxating patellas (essentially both of his knee caps slide on and off very easily, which means OUCH every time it happens). He's only 3, and he will have to take Omega 3's and Glucosamine every day for his whole life now. He will also have arthritis when he gets older. He's been perscribed Meloxicam (Metacam) for his pain, and will have to take that daily until we can schedule a surgery for him (anywhere from 2200-2400 $$$). If he has to stay on the painkiller, he'll need annual bloodwork to make sure his other organs are doing ok. I called Anita today to discuss this, as Luxating Patellas are genetic, and seem to be a dominant gene, as far as I've heard. She admitted that she's had a few people contact her regarding this, but as far as she was concerned, she thought glucosamine alone would cure him. I saw the knee cap move....I'm fairly certain taking omega 3's and glucosamine alone cannot cause miracles like fixing a knee cap in place. She told me she wouldn't even look into his heritage, or his parents, because the line was most likely discontinued. I contacted her in hopes that she might take me seriously, and look into this pretty serious genetic defect...possibly call up other owners who may not have realized why their dog was limping or inexplicably unable to jump anymore. She took a pretty cavalier attitude about the entire thing. Thought I love love love my dog, and will do absolutely anything I can to help him- I truly regret even making contact with this kennel, which in my opinion needs to be seriously investigated.

I am so very sorry to hear about the LP. You are correct in that the supplements won't cure LP, but should help to keep the joints as healthy as possible for as long as possible.

Did the four year health guarantee not cover this problem?

Also there are other threads on here about how folks manage their dogs with LP. You can do a search and find lots of helpful info.

Basically no jumping, train your pup to use stairs for climbing up on couch bed etc. Swimming is wonderful exercise for the pups.

I believe the current theory of LP is this condition can be either genetic or acquired. Early onset of LP, ie pup shows condition prior to one year old, and LP is both knees, would predispose me to think genetic. Later onset 3+ years old, becomes in my opinion much more gray. Higher chance that it is a result of a combination of environmental and other factors.

[Mardelin]

I'm really sorry for what you are going and have gone through with your experiences with these Kennel owners.

My suggestion to you would obtain a 2nd opinion from an Orthopedic Surgeon. LP in this day and age seems to be the surgery of the month for some vets. An Ortho surgeon will advice you not to have the surgery performed unless a dog has become lame. LP can be a genetic problem and can also be initied by a dog's enviornment, by allowing the dog to jump......But, as Gemy stated it can be managed.


There is another thread on this Kennel that from time to time draws the attention of newbies that on their first post sing the praises of Kingcreek.
I've posted the link to this thread there too.


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...ml#post3514650

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by JS1989

While I cannot speak for any one else on the forum, all I can do is relay my own experiences with the Kingcreek Kennel breeders:
I first contacted them 3 and a half years ago, and purchased a "teacup" male yorkie from them. He was far to young, when I received him (I cannot remember how young, but I think Peter even mentioned he thought he might have been too young now, to leave it's mother). The dog was 1.9 lbs, and was already sick with a virus. He died less than a week later. They're response was to let us pay again, half the cost of a Yorkie, and they gave us a "replacement" dog. We still trusted them and felt this may have been a fluke, and just bad luck. We have reason to believe they actually gave us a Silky Terrier, though we paid for a yorkie. This is of no consequence, since we love Slayer dearly, and think he is the best dog ever.
Reccently, Slayer has had difficulty jumping up on beds, or couches, and even into the car, all things that were easy for him to do before. We took him to the vet today, and he was diagnosed with bilateral luxating patellas (essentially both of his knee caps slide on and off very easily, which means OUCH every time it happens). He's only 3, and he will have to take Omega 3's and Glucosamine every day for his whole life now. He will also have arthritis when he gets older. He's been perscribed Meloxicam (Metacam) for his pain, and will have to take that daily until we can schedule a surgery for him (anywhere from 2200-2400 $$$). If he has to stay on the painkiller, he'll need annual bloodwork to make sure his other organs are doing ok. I called Anita today to discuss this, as Luxating Patellas are genetic, and seem to be a dominant gene, as far as I've heard. She admitted that she's had a few people contact her regarding this, but as far as she was concerned, she thought glucosamine alone would cure him. I saw the knee cap move....I'm fairly certain taking omega 3's and glucosamine alone cannot cause miracles like fixing a knee cap in place. She told me she wouldn't even look into his heritage, or his parents, because the line was most likely discontinued. I contacted her in hopes that she might take me seriously, and look into this pretty serious genetic defect...possibly call up other owners who may not have realized why their dog was limping or inexplicably unable to jump anymore. She took a pretty cavalier attitude about the entire thing. Thought I love love love my dog, and will do absolutely anything I can to help him- I truly regret even making contact with this kennel, which in my opinion needs to be seriously investigated.

Now this is the kind of information that I have been looking for. I hope that anyone considering this breeder google them and see this information.
I was asking Mardelin some questions the other day because of her experience and this is exactly the type of back up information people need to see.
I have to say in this case the internet is a wonderful tool, because non suspecting puppy seekers might think just because they have a ton of dogs that they care about the one they sell you for massive dollars.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Teegy

Now this is the kind of information that I have been looking for. I hope that anyone considering this breeder google them and see this information.
I was asking Mardelin some questions the other day because of her experience and this is exactly the type of back up information people need to see.
I have to say in this case the internet is a wonderful tool, because non suspecting puppy seekers might think just because they have a ton of dogs that they care about the one they sell you for massive dollars.

You did ask me for back-up info. However, there are certain things that many a YT member can view on a certain website and determine whether or not a breeder is reputable or not. That is back-up info in of itself and it is up to the forum members to provide education to the unsuspecting public. Once the info is provided it's up to them to make a an informed decision.

There are two threads on this Kennel; one favorable, the other not.....from this point it's up to the individual can obtain their own deduction......That's what's great about an open forum.

[suspicious]

Originally Posted by BellaBlue82

Always very interesting when a newbie pops up and first thing starts defending a back yard breeder/puppy mill (which this place clearly is!) who doesn't care about their pups, just the bottom line! $2000.00 for a sick yorkie, give me a break!

Maybe this would explain something?
Anita Atta Mammarazzii Oliveira = https://www.facebook.com/MuskokaPawsMa
Isaac Woodz Oliveira or "Izak" = https://www.facebook.com/woodzrap

Have a browse at Anita's public facebook profile and you'll see first hand the paranoid behavior of *any* negative review. There is a 'hair' sensitive trigger to get their 'pet' lawyer involved. I encourage honest experiences be shared but be ready to deal with 'the wrath of Anita' when doing so.

What has changed since Kingcreek? A new name, Muskoka Paws. Why? Seems there are very few or no negative reviews of Muskoka Paws yet but a boat load for Kingcreek... When you can't censor the internet, change your name!

You'll also notice a significant online presence on any web directory or listing of Kingcreek or Muskoka Paws.

For posterity when her facebook profile is locked down very shortly:
"I am very discouraged today because I found out there are two people who are jealous of our kennel (one man never even stepped foot on our property) who are accusing us falsely. If you google us, you will see it. They say we are a puppy mill and sell sick dogs etc. What I would love from any of you who know us personally, or who've bought dogs from us, or who have seen our clean, healthy kennel to PLEASE leave a comment below or leave it at MUSKOKA PAWS/KINGCREEK KENNELS HOME PAGE....(Warning: you won't want to leave!) or on my facebook page called Muskoka Paws Kennel with your impressions or experiences. Peter and I would be so grateful. Many thanks from Muskoka Paws and Kingcreek Kennel. #feelingsosad"

Image of facebook status: imgur: the simple image sharer

I hope this underscores the need to thoroughly investigate brand new (1 post) rave reviewers!