Beware of Wanda Wery of Loving Acres in FL

[Litllam88]

If you are looking to purchase a biewer, please do not deal with this unethical breeder. She is only interested in money, not the betterment of the breed, the offspring's health nor your future heartache.

On May 15, 2008, I was in contact with Wanda Wery about purchasing a purebred male Biewer for breeding purposes. I am a novice to biewers. She posts ads in PF.

On 5/17/08 I left a deposit of $900.00 to have the dog "Bremen" shipped to me in July (since I was going to be out of town). The total purchase price with breeding rights is $3000. She was hoping I can pay in full since he will be 11-1/2 mos to a year old this summer. She now denies that she was selling him to me as a breeder and only as a pet, but I have everything in her emails.

On 5/21/08, I found out from other breeders that she misrepresented the health condition of her breeding program, the current physical condition of the dog she was selling to me aka "Bremen" (she only posted old pics - claiming they are current), the fact that it was sold to someone else and then returned and the current health condition of it's siblings and possibly itself, and the presence of Liver shunt and other diseases in her breedings (since she breeds her dogs even though the siblings were put down for LS), and that the dog is probably not purebred (refuses to do the MARS testing).

I forwarded pics of the dog "Bremen" (that the other breeders had provided to me) to Wanda and she confirmed that yes, it is him. He is not even close to being breeding quality, show quality (as she states he is already a champion - "puppy" class) and barely even pet quality. She says they are old pics and that he has changed. The pics were taken around May 3 & 4, 2008...how much can he change in a couple of weeks???

I requested an immediate refund of my deposit and she refuses to do so commenting that I am "stupid", that everything I am hearing are all lies from other jealous breeders, that I need to "do my homework", that I am harassing her, and that I am not getting a refund and she is "tickled" that I am not getting one of her "babies". Honestly, now that I've seen what he really looks like, she can keep him and go have a party or whatever, but return my deposit.

She boasts about her dogs being multi Nat'l & Int'l Champions....but I later found that they are mostly "puppy"class, Halloween costumes etc....big freakin' deal.

Her website is WWW.BIEWER4LUV.COM, but now she is changing it around and removing stuff (like her dam, aka Bellchen that she breeds and had a sibling put down for LS)


To my knowledge, she is in violation of Florida Statute 828.29, particularly 828.29(5), 828.29(12), and 828.29(16). I'm sure there are other violations as well.

I have several witnesses that during the 2008 Sunshine Spring Sieger Dog Show held on May 3 & 4 in Orlando, that a Judge scolded her for her breeding and ethics when he saw the dog that I was to be purchasing and told her that she needed to refund peoples money and get her dogs fixed. I have an email confirmation from that Judge that he and several judges told her this and she basically did not care. One of Wanda's consumer's (who purchased a sibling from this litter) was there also and had her dog neutered this week and received the blood test results (that are all over the place).

Below are some of the results of blood work done on 5/5/08.


Test Result Reference Range

Urea Nitrogen 33 6-25
Alkaline Phosphatase 137 5-131
ALT (SGPT) 199 12-118
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 37 4-27
WBC 20.6 4.0-15.5
Neutrophils 12154 2060-10600
Lymphocytes 8034 690-4500


Had I known any of the above earlier, I would never had dealt with her!

I have reported her to BBB, Florida Consumer Affairs, Florida Attorney General, and the Federal Trade Commission and I will be providing proof and affidavits from witnesses and past customers. I am not through yet. She is wrong and needs to stop scamming on innocent people. She needs to be prosecuted for fraudulent activities and her deceptive and unethical business practices.

If anyone else has had a bad experience with her, please let me know. This needs to stop.

[Litllam88]

Originally Posted by Litllam88

Below are some of the results of blood work done on 5/5/08.


Test Result Reference Range

Urea Nitrogen 33 6-25
Alkaline Phosphatase 137 5-131
ALT (SGPT) 199 12-118
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 37 4-27
WBC 20.6 4.0-15.5
Neutrophils 12154 2060-10600
Lymphocytes 8034 690-4500

Sorry...it ran together

Test Result Reference Range

Urea Nitrogen 33 6-25
Alkaline Phosphatase 137 5-131
ALT (SGPT) 199 12-118
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 37 4-27
WBC 20.6 4.0-15.5
Neutrophils 12154 2060-10600
Lymphocytes 8034 690-4500

I hope this is a little bit better...I don't know how to get more spaces in between.

[spr377]

Hope things work out for you!

[Litllam88]

Wanda Wery is now deleting her ads on PF. She's still trying to hide her tracks! I already printed everything out from PF.....LAST NIGHT!!!!

[scrapindee]

I'm sorry you had to experience this. This is so wrong to do to a novice or to anyone. You are fortunate to discover the misrepresentations before you spent the total amount and brought him home to be disappointed.

What an awful experience for anyone; regardless of breed; I even feel sorry for the dog--he hopefully will find a pet home soon.

Yes it is a good idea to print off everything--computers can crash too if you don't have hard copies.

[yorkima]

I too bought one of Wanda's dogs and was told at the IABCA Show in Orlando, FL on May 4th by a judge to get my dog and his brother Bremen neutered to protect and better this breed. Her puppies born on 4/19/08 that are for sale are from the same parents! SHAME ON HER!!!There were too many faults with my dog by the judge to list! I took my dog to the vets on May 5th and he did blood work and he said there is definitely something going on and he doesn't know what. Our little boy was neutered on 5/27/08. Wanda always has excuses!!!!!!!She should not sell Bremen for breeding after she was told by a judge to get him neutered! SHAME ON HER!!!!!!
This is a picture of Baron after his surgery

[kathy785]

Poor Bremen looks very roachy with a low tail set. I hope that there is nothing terribly wrong as the bloodwork may suggest. We will be praying for your Baron that everything is okay! Sorry that you both had to go through this. One bad breeder makes it hard for all of the breeders that do care.

[Litllam88]

Yes, hopefully the vet can do something to help Baron. I'm not a vet, so I don't know what all the results mean...perhaps someone here can translate.

I DO know that the BUN/Creatinine is for kidney function...that alone is scary!

[Pruett]

Yorkima, I would be doing an acid bile on your dog, and more tests for kidney problems.

And Wanda accuses us of being liars and envious of her. The selling techniques that some use are fantastic. Take your puppy to an IABCA when it is 10 1/2 weeks to 12 weeks old, and get it's title and tell everyone it is a champion.
How many championships did Bremen receive after his first one?
Between Wanda telling the judge he doesn't know he is talking about, and Sue trying to get the other groups dogs disqualified for having L.S. lines, I'll bet it was a fun time for the judges that week end. One judge said he is there to judge the confirmation, the beauty, etc.., he doesn't know what's inside the dog and doesn't care. He can't make a breeder be ethical.
I'm sorry you girls had to go through what you did, but we do have a beautiful breed. Some people don't care about the betterment, just their pocketbooks and self glory. When you're ready to get a good puppy, contact one of the many experienced, ethical breeders from the BTCA, Inc.

[Snow Yorkies]

This thread was brought to my attention and since my name is now implicated in a post here I feel that I should address this. I have been in contact with this judge per email and I have permission to cross post what he said. If that needs to be done here I will. Coming here and making innuendos regarding me is a fine example of the behavior we have all grown to expect. As usual the truth has been twisted, changed or altered to benefit a story; to sell you an idea.

As far as I am concerned matters between a buyer and a seller should be just that matter between the individuals. If at a point an agreement can't be met, go to arbitration or there is always the good ole' court of law to settle disputes. When I see that the very person that did the same thing just two years ago to Wanda and now wants to shake a finger at her, this is just not what I deem acceptable.

The selling techniques that some use are fantastic. The mother to these puppies was sold to Wanda after her debut in Lexington. Danika's breeder used the show picture to help sell her to Wanda. This female was born on January 8th and was shown in April 8th and 9th putting her at 12 weeks of age.
Take your puppy to an IABCA when it is 10 1/2 weeks to 12 weeks old. If you are referring to Bremen he was shown at 19 and 23weeks of age.
How many championships did Bremen receive after his first one? With the IABCA there are 4 puppy classes that you can show under. These puppies have to be old enough to move onto the next class. With the IABCA he was shown in the 3-6 month category and earned his title. He has only shown in two other IABCA show since then, not enough to earn another title.

The breeder that sold these Biewers to Wanda has had the opportunity to see the sire she sold Wanda, she has also seen Bremen who was produced from Danika (a bred by also from this particular breeder) and never once has Wanda been offered a refund, even having handled Bremen at a FL show. If it is about producing the best for the betterment of the breed , the seller/breeder should be considering contacting this breeder (Wanda) with a reimbursement if she feels these dogs, the dam and sire, should not be bred again rather than trying to push her under the bus. This breeder needs to except her responsibility for HER contributions of these biewers, to the Loving Acres Biewers breeding program.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive" by Sir Walter Scott Marmion, in Canto VI, Stanza 17.

Bremen was had his Bile Acid test and was cleared.

[Pruett]

This post has been brought to my attention. I find it odd you show up to talk about something you know nothing about, yet when ask about the research you are doing on the peibald gene, and the geneticist and Vets. you're working with you never have a word to say. Could it be a little smoke screen? HUMMM

Once again someone has appeared to educate the public with little knowledge. Once again accusing someone of a behavior that is common ground in her own household.
I greatly understand your desire to keep ALL information between buyer and seller, as does Myrna, and a few other people that have bought dogs from you. What happened to helping better the breed by sharing important information.

To begin with you have to have knowledge of a situation to make an assessment. You obviously have about as much knowledge of the transaction that transpired between Wanda and I as you do of so many things. I never offered that dog for sale until wayyyyyyyyyy after the show. I had plans of keeping Danika, but when the dog she wanted didn't pan out, I offered her Danika. WHOOOPS (apology required)
Again I am not talking about Bremen, so you might want to contact the Guru because so far you are once again misleading the public with false information. WHOOOPS (apology required)

Now to refresh your memory, I offered to buy the dogs back at the show in California when she said they were horrible dogs and that Quendy had a terrible under bite, blah, blah,blah, and she refused. By the way in front of about 15 people.
I took her to court to BUY them back or spay/neuter them and I lost due to insufficient evidence. She also lost her suit against me for the same reasons. WHOOOPS (apology required)

Everybody is going to produce so not so great puppies which you should be quite aware of with your 4 years experience in breeding and the litters you've had. You also have to know when a puppy is show or pet quality.

Not all dogs are suited for each other. If you determine the mating is not good, you use another stud, if that doesn't work, spay/neuter the dog. If you're about bettering the breed, you will have some of your offspring back and go on.

So once again the foot is not on solid ground.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive" by Sir Walter Scott Marmion, in Canto VI, Stanza 17. A motto well suited for you.

I like "You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time". Abraham Lincoln

[4lilyorks]

Since this post has gone off topic and some felt the need to slam others in their posts I have decided to step in and trying to get this back on track. I normally try to stay out of all the crap but feel it is time to step in. Who am I, what do I know, what give me the right to speak here? I am the original owner of Bremen.

I purchased Bremen from Wanda as a show prospect. He came to live with me and I just loved the time he spent with me. I love to show, Bremen does not. Even though I tried many times with him he shut down and shook at every show. I asked many judges opinions of him since he had been beat often. I was told by many judges in NAKC he needed to gain weight and fill out. His structure seemed to be good. He was shown in Hutto, Texas with the IABCA and received his baby championship titles. I then entered him in Orlando. During the first show he received his orange card and I talked to the judge about my concerns with him. It was her opinion for me to give him time, he was still young and with time and the right female he could have a successful breeding. For show two he did not receive his orange card. At this time it was my decision to pull him out of the show and not show him on Sunday. As I have said he hated to show at this point and I don't see the point in showing a dog that is not ready to be in the ring. Paula continued to show Baron and the judge for show three was very hard on him. He does know the Biewer Yorkshire rather well as he has been following the breed since it entered the ring. After the show Paula, Ed, Wanda, the Judge, Baron, Bremen, and myself entered the ring to talk about the dogs. As he was talking about Baron Wanda tried to ask about Bremen and he said he had not judged that dog (Bremen) and there for he was not going to comment on him. Do I feel he felt Bremen should not be bred, yes, but I also have been told by many other judges to give him time.

Now to why I gave him back. It was a very hard decision for me. One that I live with everyday and still debate if I did the right thing. It may take a few years before I know the answer to that question. Seeing how horribly everyone is talking about that precious little dog makes it all the worse. I am in a neighborhood that restricts the amount of dogs I can have. I love to show, I have shown in obedience in the past and couldn't wait until my kids were old enough that I could jump into the ring again. Bremen at this point hates to show and Wanda understands that. If I lived somewhere that I could house more dogs then he would still be with me and I would be giving him that chance that many told me to give him. Wanda refunded all my money without question and we remain friends.

While in my care Bremen had his blood panel ran twice and a bile acid test done. The bile acid result was good. The blood panel has some numbers that are off so my vet sent me to a specialist. The specialist evaluated the numbers and told me that nothing concerned him at this time. He is still a puppy and numbers can be thrown off by that or nerves. He sent me home and told me to get more calories in him and he should be fine. If I still had concerns I could rerun the test again after he was a year old. He has continued to gain weight and although he is skinny it is mainly because he is burning off more then he is taking in. His hair is thin at this point but it was starting to come in better over the past month I had him.

He is one of the smartest and sweetest dogs I have met. He is not a mutt, he is not a Biewer Terrier, he is a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon. Do I feel sorry for Bremen? I do feel sorry for the way some will talk about a dog, a loving sweet dog, but no I don't feel sorry for Bremen. Why? Because he is back with Wanda in a loving home and I am confident she will find the right home for him, that is why I was willing to give him back in the first place. Am I glad he won't be going to live with Jenny? Yes, for anyone that can talk so badly about a dog no matter what their opinion is doesn't deserve him.

The pictures posted here were taken in February.

[Snow Yorkies]

I will address your post even though it has nothing to do with the original OP thread. If I felt that I had something that pertains to this thread if it was addressing the piebald gene I would do so. Again that is not what this thread is about. Nor would I have posted here but for some reason you chose to include me in something that had nothing to do with the subject at hand.

My reference to what I posted did however address some of the questions being asked and since this thread was about the particular puppy Bremen, I answered them. I did not call anyone names such as Guru and not sure why the topic went off to a different dog that this breeder is/or has sold. The thread is about Bremen.

It is implied that I sold Myrna a puppy. I did not. I did however receive a couple of emails from Myrna as my dog was the sire and when I replied tried to show a little respect by using "Mrs." in my email and from there you both felt it was funny to refer to yet another "Mrs.", sorry but I will not entertain such behavior in adults. Are you not a "Mrs." last I knew you where married.

If you are referring to one puppy I sold to a home as a pet with an option to breed, IF the puppy developed and IF that buyer decided to breed, yes I sold this puppy. I deducted a 1000.00 dollars to this purchaser and since I didn't have the normal contract with me and I wrote one on the fly, big mistake, but lesson learned. This person was a 30+ breeder, so she knew the risks and that is why the contract was written the way it was "AS IS".

I have sold the total of 7 puppies into breeding homes, in the past 4 years. The rest of them have gone as pets. Two of which I regret to this day. Again, lesson learned and I haven't repeated that mistake. The rest that I have felt were breeding/show quality have stayed with me as I have been showing and watching their development.

I was in CA and I did hear your offer. . It was a emotional weekend for the buyer of these puppies. She had to go through the comments of the judges that weekend and one judge scolded her over the sun burnt coat of the male she had in the ring. Wanda took this very personally as she had just gotten that male with in a couple of months and tried to point out the growth of coat since she had him that it was not burnt in that new growth. They had pointed out that Quendy's bite was off. I guess Wanda was suppose to at that very moment give you an answer, to give up the puppies that she and her family grew very attached to and were now a big part of their family. I know as I have been to Wanda's home on two occasions and have witnessed this. Sorry but that type of decision is a little harder for some, not to discard their dogs, like one would an old shoe. I will apologize for that, as I feel that a person should be granted time to make a emotional decision as such.

Interpretation of this lawsuit can be also that Wanda still has her Biewers. That she did not have to spay/neuter them, nor pay you the additional 1500.00 that was brought forward in this case. Her counter claim was not awarded.

I do know that a sire/dam pairing can produce a litter that doesn't work out. I also know when a repeated pairing can produce a different litter than the first. I have placed pets that have grown into beautiful biewers when they were given time to develop and grow.

[sierrapups]

Sue no one laughed at the use of your word "Mrs." Your were obviously using this terminology to skirt the issue of addressing my questions about Homer since he is the father of my dog. You never did answer the very simple questions I put forward to you and I still have the email to prove it.

Thank you for at least stepping up and admitting that there, in front of 15 members, Gayle offered to settle with Wanda. Wanda was so beyond angry that she was even rude to the judges at the show. She turned down several of Gayle's offers even though she was the one that wanted the issue addressed before the club. This could have been solved on the spot and everyone could have moved on but it was Wanda that made the ordeal so painful for everyone. This was also the meeting that dissolved the BYTCA and those of us that barely knew Gayle rallied around her after seeing the extreme rudeness and verbal attacks launched against her.

There is a reason why we are moving ahead with this breed and this is a Biewer Terrier inspite of what you wish to believe. Maybe one day when you can be civil we can discuss what is in the bloodlines and DNA.

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

I will address your post even though it has nothing to do with the original OP thread. If I felt that I had something that pertains to this thread if it was addressing the piebald gene I would do so. Again that is not what this thread is about. Nor would I have posted here but for some reason you chose to include me in something that had nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Sue I wasn't asking you to talk about the piebald gene, I was clearly using that as an example that you never answer any questions although, you proclaim to be all about educating the public. You once again have shown up to educate, being severely unprepared.

My reference to what I posted did however address some of the questions being asked and since this thread was about the particular puppy Bremen, I answered them. I did not call anyone names such as Guru and not sure why the topic went off to a different dog that this breeder is/or has sold. The thread is about Bremen.

Do you know what a Guru is? I told you to go talk to a Guru. Would you like me to explain what a Guru is?

It is implied that I sold Myrna a puppy. I did not. I did however receive a couple of emails from Myrna as my dog was the sire and when I replied tried to show a little respect by using "Mrs." in my email and from there you both felt it was funny to refer to yet another "Mrs.", sorry but I will not entertain such behavior in adults. Are you not a "Mrs." last I knew you where married.

I referenced Myrna, because she asked you numerous times for information about Homers progeny. I know Myrna never bought a dog from you, so you know I was not implying that she did. Mrs. has nothing to do with your rudeness to Myrna, and unwillingness to share anything about the big galoot's that Homer has being producing, among other problems.

If you are referring to one puppy I sold to a home as a pet with an option to breed, IF the puppy developed and IF that buyer decided to breed, yes I sold this puppy. I deducted a 1000.00 dollars to this purchaser and since I didn't have the normal contract with me and I wrote one on the fly, big mistake, but lesson learned. This person was a 30+ breeder, so she knew the risks and that is why the contract was written the way it was "AS IS".

You have an excuse for everything, even though any person with any intelligence can see right through them.
"AS IS" I guess with your almost 4 years of breeding experience, you have seen it a lot.

I have sold the total of 7 puppies into breeding homes, in the past 4 years. The rest of them have gone as pets. Two of which I regret to this day. Again, lesson learned and I haven't repeated that mistake. The rest that I have felt were breeding/show quality have stayed with me as I have been showing and watching their development.

What's this got to do with Bremen?

I was in CA and I did hear your offer. . It was a emotional weekend for the buyer of these puppies. She had to go through the comments of the judges that weekend and one judge scolded her over the sun burnt coat of the male she had in the ring. Wanda took this very personally as she had just gotten that male with in a couple of months and tried to point out the growth of coat since she had him that it was not burnt in that new growth. They had pointed out that Quendy's bite was off. I guess Wanda was suppose to at that very moment give you an answer, to give up the puppies that she and her family grew very attached to and were now a big part of their family. I know as I have been to Wanda's home on two occasions and have witnessed this. Sorry but that type of decision is a little harder for some, not to discard their dogs, like one would an old shoe. I will apologize for that, as I feel that a person should be granted time to make a emotional decision as such.

OH, so you're admitting to least one of the lies in last post? "never once has Wanda been offered a refund, even having handled Bremen at a FL show". I don't believed I handled the dog. Here we go with excuses. The only reason she didn't want to give them back is because she wouldn't be able to breed right away. Breeding her dogs on the first heat shows her real care and concern for these babies.

Interpretation of this lawsuit can be also that Wanda still has her Biewers. That she did not have to spay/neuter them, nor pay you the additional 1500.00 that was brought forward in this case. Her counter claim was not awarded.

You don't need an interpreter my dear, it was written in black and white. The judge knew nothing about Internet law and dismissed the case. Since you were there and I obviously didn't see you, will you show me where I ask for any money. Money is not what I was after. Unlike some people, I don't have money problems. Once again making up things as you go and talking about something you know nothing about.

I do know that a sire/dam pairing can produce a litter that doesn't work out. I also know when a repeated pairing can produce a different litter than the first. I have placed pets that have grown into beautiful biewers when they were given time to develop and grow.

Good point and another reason not to sell dogs as breeders or show potential before 6 months.

Why you are here and not Wanda is beyond me, unless you are making a last ditch attempt to keep your membership from dwindling.