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rnnw62 · 06-07-2005, 01:09 AM

Hello...Cup of Yorkies

I too think it is great that you cared enough about your
reputation to come forward to give your version of the
accusations that were made against you.

I agree with the above poster in that it is unfortunate
that a misunderstanding took place and now that you
have both had a chance to air your thoughts I genuinely
hope that this can be resolved between the 2 of you in
a more private way.

My best wishes to both of you!

doggoneyorkies · 06-07-2005, 06:35 AM

I disagree with cups facts, and I know this maybe should not be on your board (SORRY FOR THAT )
I think someone forgot they have used my male 2 times, and there was to be a trade of studding. but after her 3 males where sold , so I asked for $500 the second time. After being told over and over again that she would trade me studding for studding as soon as she had a male,then this new male came along I knew I was not going to get this trade as she posted (when she has a stud for hire this was not to be for hire )it was a trade, making my male yorkie look like he was not a good stud trade.
As for paris lots of people know she was on line for sale weeks before I got her, so that must be a miss print. The $500 more that cup wanted for paris was spent at the vet and I have the vet bill to show that. I know the lady that cup sold paris to and then got back it seems she haS a story of her own to tell.
Dose anyone think someone that has been with yorkie talk for a good bit of time would put their 1st post on here if they had not been told NO to this trade ,that is was not going to happen. I would have to be pretty upset to
post this. I really think as a free American I can post my thoughts any where I want
As for cups dad being sick, cup and I had not talked in 4 weeks before I made
that 1st post so I would not have know that. My life is not easy but whos is and I don't need to post all that here.
I know at this point the trade is not going to happen, But I will not deal with this ever again.
I have learned that some people will say anything to get what they want,
and their word means nothing. I need to trust people I call friend ,and I feel be trade, cheated and lied to my a friend.
This is really all I have to say, I just have to be more carefull who I make
deals with, and get everything in writing.
Maybe this is a personal disaggreement,but it can not be fixed.A trade was the deal and nothing but a trade will fix it.
I just wanted some help or maybe to vent. I know everyone has their own feeling about this kind of thing and I wanted to hear it.
As for miss cup if she feel sorry about one thing it should be that you did not keep up your end of the deal.
thanks for letting me vet and I will try not to do it anymore.
Lynda

Carters Mom · 06-07-2005, 07:57 AM

SoCalYorkieLvr is a lawyer. I'm surprised she hasn't seen this thread because she is extremely active on this board. This is one thread for sure that she should have some expertise about.

Kim???

feminvstr · 06-07-2005, 08:10 AM

Glad to see there is some dialog happening between the two of you, now perhaps you can reach an amicable agreement privately and start anew.

We all get nervous when sharing our blood-line but a promise is a promise is a promise.

If one has personal problems, values a friendship (specially in trying times) one would think you would have been forthright, explain your situation, instead of avoiding or allowing the boiling anger of non-communication. No one likes to be ignored.

let the positive communication begin.

good luck to you both

schatzie · 06-07-2005, 08:19 AM

This is neither here nor there but I have a friend who is a breeder. I just cannot imagine ever going here to bash her even though our friendship has kinda fallen to the wayside.

I try to remember "respect" and such and think to myself..."now if I bash her, she could come right back and bash me ten times fold" LOL...It could just get to ugly and life's too short.

I do hope your friendship doesn't end over business and the two of you can keep it seperated. I actually see care between the both of you.

Move on..hug...work it out....and enjoy Yorkie Talk for all it has to offer and not argue.

A friendship either going strong or suffering still needs to withold certain rules of "being a friend"...

Have a great day!

YorkieRose · 06-07-2005, 12:09 PM

I have recently moved from the area after 35 years where this two "breeders" live, all I want to add is this...
Take your disagreement to PRIVATE MESSAGE...the last thing you want is ME to start posting facts.

doggoneyorkies · 06-07-2005, 12:39 PM

I don't want to post anymore about this, not because of what anyone has to say. but because I have no more to say. I know what was said and what has been said. I can get a champion male to breed with any time I would like, so that has nothing to do with it. I know you can not believe everything you read and I don't think any one should.
The facts are their for anyone to read. Like I said before it hurts to feel be traded by a friend .I love my yorkies anyone that really knows me knows how much they mean to me. And I feel like they have been put down in this mess too .Pat you can call my vet at three knoch any time you
want and ask any thing you want about any of my 6 yorkies or me as a breeder. My vet calls me 1st then I will say yes or no. I give my vet the names of anyone who buys a puppy from me. I want to far to anyone who buys a puppy from me or
for any one I buy a puppy from. I didn't want to make any one mad or upset. I really need to vet very badly. By the end of tonight I will take all
my post off line.
thanks for those who have help me feel a little better
Lynda

whispersmom2 · 06-07-2005, 12:43 PM

I am sure Pat knows a lot and, I think it would be a lot better if this moves to the PM areas.. I am sorry that this came on the public forum to be ironed out and I wonder if no matter where it is discussed, it can be settled amicably.. Most likely not.....far more to this than meets the eye, I suspect.
I am sorry to hear that the father of one of the two is on his death bed and have heard that one also has cancer. That is not something I know for sure.
Goodness knows, there are dishonest people in every phase of life but by far, there are more honest people and I prefer dealings with the honest ones...

doggoneyorkies · 06-07-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doggoneyorkies

I don't want to post anymore about this, not because of what anyone has to say. but because I have no more to say. I know what was said and what has been said. I can get a champion male to breed with any time I would like, so that has nothing to do with it. I know you can not believe everything you read and I don't think any one should.
The facts are their for anyone to read. Like I said before it hurts to feel be traded by a friend .I love my yorkies anyone that really knows me knows how much they mean to me. And I feel like they have been put down in this mess too .Pat you can call my vet at three knoch any time you
want and ask any thing you want about any of my 6 yorkies or me as a breeder. My vet calls me 1st then I will say yes or no. I give my vet the names of anyone who buys a puppy from me. I want to far to anyone who buys a puppy from me or
for any one I buy a puppy from. I didn't want to make any one mad or upset. I really need to vet very badly. By the end of tonight I will take all
my post off line.
thanks for those who have help me feel a little better
Lynda

noteto Pat, My male is part Primrose and Edgewood he has a good champion line and is a happy funny boy.

yorkietime · 06-07-2005, 05:31 PM

hello members,
I have only been here about 1 day now and have been doing so much reading.
But this really got my eye.
I have read all of what has been said and yes this was not the place to air this, but if cup of yorkie could cheat her friend what could she do to others?
As a breeder I would want to know these things. I think doggoneyorkies should get some thing for her stud!
I want to know who is a good breeder, who has nice puppies, who I can trust and who is cheating who.
Dose this group not want to know these things ?
Maybe cup of yorkie is having a hard time, but dose that give anyone the
right to cheat someone?
I mean if this did or didn't happen, is this what this group wants to know or not ?
I would want to know if cup of yorkies ever fixs this, do you ?
After all the reading I did on this site, I would have thought everyone would
want to know the same things I look for. Doggoneyorkies asked for help, I don't think she would have posted this if she didn't want to know what this group had to say. I believe we can all read into it what we want, but I feel
for anyone that gets cheated, much less from a friend.
I really think cup of yorkies has some work to do and try to fix this friendship
These are my thoughts
Sue

mojo · 06-07-2005, 08:06 PM

I think we can all learn something from this, friend or not, GET IT IN WRITING.

rnnw62 · 06-08-2005, 12:21 AM

Yorkietime,

In answer to your questions....Yes, I think it is important to have information
in regard to if someone is cheating someone. But I don't think we have enough information to take sides in this matter. We don't know if this is a
breech of a promise or just a huge misunderstanding. The fact that there is
nothing in writing and that cupofyorkies took the time to respond to the accusations made against her tells me to leave it alone and to give them
time to try and fix and work out the differences between them in a private manner especially since a friendship is involved as well. I believe that from
the first post from dogoneyorkies that she had the full support of the board and it was not until dialog from cupofyorkies came into play was it that people
just suggested they try to work it out between them off of the boards.
I can't and won't judge someone I don't know and I also won't go so far to
call them a cheat either because even in the eyes of the law you are innocent until proven guilty. I feel bad for both of these ladies and I hope
with all of my heart that with a little pride and hurt swallowing on both of their parts that they can work through this.
Welcome to the boards yorkietime and it is my hope that the more time you spend on here that you will see how very caring and supportive we are towards one another.
So,those are my thoughts....

YorkieRose · 06-08-2005, 04:01 AM

To Lynda...word of advise..you will not get what you feel is due you. Chalk it up to a hard learning experience and move on. If you remain in the dog breeding world you will be cheated many times.
I was talking to Marie Cordona recently (Parkside) you do not get bigger in Yorkies then her...she can tell you dozens of stories how people lie, cheat, steal and bad mouth her...get used to it! It is not a place for thin skinned people.

I do not know a breeder, whether it be a hobby or show breeder who has not been bad mouthed. Jealously, envy and greed is a big part of the Yorkie world.
I can not count the times I got phone calls or emails in Maryland from concerned people who told me the things you and Cupofyorkies have said or done behind my back. I never paid any attention to it..I am not a game player as you have found out. This crap goes with the territory.
ALWAYS TAKE THE HIGH ROAD AND MOVE ON.

I am sure your male Yorkie is a lovely boy, but he was not bought from me..the Edgewood stud in the pedigree was placed as pet, NOT TO BE BRED for a good reason. He did not produce quality pups and was retired to a pet home at 3 years of age.
Best Wishes to you.

iheartyorkies · 06-08-2005, 05:09 AM

INTEGRITY, PASS IT ON!!!!!

(YorkieRose, you are a valued member of this community, this is not intended for you.)

doggoneyorkies · 06-08-2005, 05:13 AM

thanks for you letter,
I have moved on and have learned from this. As you said you are not a player, I'm not a player of any kind. I don't want to have a show dog are go to dog shows, I want to just love my pets and have great healthy puppies. I feel lucky to have these great doggys and want to share my luck with other loving family homes. I'm very happy with my doggys and their babys. I think of my dogs as my kids and to talk bad about them is like saying something bad about my kids.My daughter is handicapped and these dogs bring her so much joy and it give us joy to see it.My hubby of 31 years helps me with them,and is into it as much as I am. I have been doing daycare for 22 years and the dogs and kids have learned alot too. I know people will talk and bad month others, I would just hope it would not come from a friend. (You think bad mouthing is bad with dogs you should see how it is in daycare..WOW..)
I don't know you, I don't know anything about your dogs.I have never ment you,seen your kennels or your dogs. I would have no right to say anything about you, if you heard I have I'm sorry for that. I respect the work you do with yorkies and anything you would have to teach me I would be more then happy to learn. I don't know any other yorkie breeders in Maryland because I don't want to play any games ,I like my life just the way it is.
Yes I have heard some of the bad mouthing, but I have heard more good then bad. I do not believe in passing the buck If I don't see it I don't know it.
thanks again every one
Lynda

06-07-2005, 01:09 AM	#16
rnnw62 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,610	Hello...Cup of Yorkies I too think it is great that you cared enough about your reputation to come forward to give your version of the accusations that were made against you. I agree with the above poster in that it is unfortunate that a misunderstanding took place and now that you have both had a chance to air your thoughts I genuinely hope that this can be resolved between the 2 of you in a more private way. My best wishes to both of you! __________________ Shelly, Teddy, Toby,Hanne & Indigo

06-07-2005, 06:35 AM	#17
doggoneyorkies Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 13	from doggoneyorkies I disagree with cups facts, and I know this maybe should not be on your board (SORRY FOR THAT ) I think someone forgot they have used my male 2 times, and there was to be a trade of studding. but after her 3 males where sold , so I asked for $500 the second time. After being told over and over again that she would trade me studding for studding as soon as she had a male,then this new male came along I knew I was not going to get this trade as she posted (when she has a stud for hire this was not to be for hire )it was a trade, making my male yorkie look like he was not a good stud trade. As for paris lots of people know she was on line for sale weeks before I got her, so that must be a miss print. The $500 more that cup wanted for paris was spent at the vet and I have the vet bill to show that. I know the lady that cup sold paris to and then got back it seems she haS a story of her own to tell. Dose anyone think someone that has been with yorkie talk for a good bit of time would put their 1st post on here if they had not been told NO to this trade ,that is was not going to happen. I would have to be pretty upset to post this. I really think as a free American I can post my thoughts any where I want As for cups dad being sick, cup and I had not talked in 4 weeks before I made that 1st post so I would not have know that. My life is not easy but whos is and I don't need to post all that here. I know at this point the trade is not going to happen, But I will not deal with this ever again. I have learned that some people will say anything to get what they want, and their word means nothing. I need to trust people I call friend ,and I feel be trade, cheated and lied to my a friend. This is really all I have to say, I just have to be more carefull who I make deals with, and get everything in writing. Maybe this is a personal disaggreement,but it can not be fixed.A trade was the deal and nothing but a trade will fix it. I just wanted some help or maybe to vent. I know everyone has their own feeling about this kind of thing and I wanted to hear it. As for miss cup if she feel sorry about one thing it should be that you did not keep up your end of the deal. thanks for letting me vet and I will try not to do it anymore. Lynda Last edited by doggoneyorkies; 06-07-2005 at 08:28 AM. Reason: fix words

06-07-2005, 07:57 AM	#18
Carters Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA Posts: 1,568	SoCalYorkieLvr is a lawyer. I'm surprised she hasn't seen this thread because she is extremely active on this board. This is one thread for sure that she should have some expertise about. Kim??? __________________ Lisa Proud Marine Mom Carter, Cooper & Crissy's Mom and Sebastian's Nana Never underestimate the warmth of a cold nose!

06-07-2005, 08:10 AM	#19
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	Glad to see there is some dialog happening between the two of you, now perhaps you can reach an amicable agreement privately and start anew. We all get nervous when sharing our blood-line but a promise is a promise is a promise. If one has personal problems, values a friendship (specially in trying times) one would think you would have been forthright, explain your situation, instead of avoiding or allowing the boiling anger of non-communication. No one likes to be ignored. let the positive communication begin. good luck to you both __________________ Kimberly

06-07-2005, 08:19 AM	#20
schatzie *Moderator Emeritus* Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tontitown Arkansas Posts: 4,909	This is neither here nor there but I have a friend who is a breeder. I just cannot imagine ever going here to bash her even though our friendship has kinda fallen to the wayside. I try to remember "respect" and such and think to myself..."now if I bash her, she could come right back and bash me ten times fold" LOL...It could just get to ugly and life's too short. I do hope your friendship doesn't end over business and the two of you can keep it seperated. I actually see care between the both of you. Move on..hug...work it out....and enjoy Yorkie Talk for all it has to offer and not argue. A friendship either going strong or suffering still needs to withold certain rules of "being a friend"... Have a great day! __________________ ~~~~ Schatzie and Ransom ~~~~

06-07-2005, 12:09 PM	#21
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Maryland breeder I have recently moved from the area after 35 years where this two "breeders" live, all I want to add is this... Take your disagreement to PRIVATE MESSAGE...the last thing you want is ME to start posting facts.

06-07-2005, 12:39 PM	#22
doggoneyorkies Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 13	not any more from Dogoneyorkie I don't want to post anymore about this, not because of what anyone has to say. but because I have no more to say. I know what was said and what has been said. I can get a champion male to breed with any time I would like, so that has nothing to do with it. I know you can not believe everything you read and I don't think any one should. The facts are their for anyone to read. Like I said before it hurts to feel be traded by a friend .I love my yorkies anyone that really knows me knows how much they mean to me. And I feel like they have been put down in this mess too .Pat you can call my vet at three knoch any time you want and ask any thing you want about any of my 6 yorkies or me as a breeder. My vet calls me 1st then I will say yes or no. I give my vet the names of anyone who buys a puppy from me. I want to far to anyone who buys a puppy from me or for any one I buy a puppy from. I didn't want to make any one mad or upset. I really need to vet very badly. By the end of tonight I will take all my post off line. thanks for those who have help me feel a little better Lynda

06-07-2005, 12:43 PM	#23
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I am sure Pat knows a lot and, I think it would be a lot better if this moves to the PM areas.. I am sorry that this came on the public forum to be ironed out and I wonder if no matter where it is discussed, it can be settled amicably.. Most likely not.....far more to this than meets the eye, I suspect. I am sorry to hear that the father of one of the two is on his death bed and have heard that one also has cancer. That is not something I know for sure. Goodness knows, there are dishonest people in every phase of life but by far, there are more honest people and I prefer dealings with the honest ones... Last edited by whispersmom2; 06-07-2005 at 12:47 PM.

06-07-2005, 05:31 PM	#25
yorkietime YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: MI Posts: 1	what I think hello members, I have only been here about 1 day now and have been doing so much reading. But this really got my eye. I have read all of what has been said and yes this was not the place to air this, but if cup of yorkie could cheat her friend what could she do to others? As a breeder I would want to know these things. I think doggoneyorkies should get some thing for her stud! I want to know who is a good breeder, who has nice puppies, who I can trust and who is cheating who. Dose this group not want to know these things ? Maybe cup of yorkie is having a hard time, but dose that give anyone the right to cheat someone? I mean if this did or didn't happen, is this what this group wants to know or not ? I would want to know if cup of yorkies ever fixs this, do you ? After all the reading I did on this site, I would have thought everyone would want to know the same things I look for. Doggoneyorkies asked for help, I don't think she would have posted this if she didn't want to know what this group had to say. I believe we can all read into it what we want, but I feel for anyone that gets cheated, much less from a friend. I really think cup of yorkies has some work to do and try to fix this friendship These are my thoughts Sue Last edited by yorkietime; 06-07-2005 at 05:37 PM. Reason: WORD

06-07-2005, 08:06 PM	#26
mojo Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Here, there Posts: 2,693	I think we can all learn something from this, friend or not, GET IT IN WRITING.

06-08-2005, 12:21 AM	#27
rnnw62 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,610	Yorkietime, In answer to your questions....Yes, I think it is important to have information in regard to if someone is cheating someone. But I don't think we have enough information to take sides in this matter. We don't know if this is a breech of a promise or just a huge misunderstanding. The fact that there is nothing in writing and that cupofyorkies took the time to respond to the accusations made against her tells me to leave it alone and to give them time to try and fix and work out the differences between them in a private manner especially since a friendship is involved as well. I believe that from the first post from dogoneyorkies that she had the full support of the board and it was not until dialog from cupofyorkies came into play was it that people just suggested they try to work it out between them off of the boards. I can't and won't judge someone I don't know and I also won't go so far to call them a cheat either because even in the eyes of the law you are innocent until proven guilty. I feel bad for both of these ladies and I hope with all of my heart that with a little pride and hurt swallowing on both of their parts that they can work through this. Welcome to the boards yorkietime and it is my hope that the more time you spend on here that you will see how very caring and supportive we are towards one another. So,those are my thoughts.... __________________ Shelly, Teddy, Toby,Hanne & Indigo

06-08-2005, 04:01 AM	#28
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Lynda To Lynda...word of advise..you will not get what you feel is due you. Chalk it up to a hard learning experience and move on. If you remain in the dog breeding world you will be cheated many times. I was talking to Marie Cordona recently (Parkside) you do not get bigger in Yorkies then her...she can tell you dozens of stories how people lie, cheat, steal and bad mouth her...get used to it! It is not a place for thin skinned people. I do not know a breeder, whether it be a hobby or show breeder who has not been bad mouthed. Jealously, envy and greed is a big part of the Yorkie world. I can not count the times I got phone calls or emails in Maryland from concerned people who told me the things you and Cupofyorkies have said or done behind my back. I never paid any attention to it..I am not a game player as you have found out. This crap goes with the territory. ALWAYS TAKE THE HIGH ROAD AND MOVE ON. I am sure your male Yorkie is a lovely boy, but he was not bought from me..the Edgewood stud in the pedigree was placed as pet, NOT TO BE BRED for a good reason. He did not produce quality pups and was retired to a pet home at 3 years of age. Best Wishes to you. Last edited by YorkieRose; 06-08-2005 at 04:03 AM.

06-08-2005, 05:09 AM	#29
iheartyorkies Boppin' Bo! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,719	INTEGRITY, PASS IT ON!!!!! (YorkieRose, you are a valued member of this community, this is not intended for you.) __________________ ~~~ i yorkies ~~~ Cynthia Turbo and Suri!

06-08-2005, 05:13 AM	#30
doggoneyorkies Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 13	pat thanks for you letter, I have moved on and have learned from this. As you said you are not a player, I'm not a player of any kind. I don't want to have a show dog are go to dog shows, I want to just love my pets and have great healthy puppies. I feel lucky to have these great doggys and want to share my luck with other loving family homes. I'm very happy with my doggys and their babys. I think of my dogs as my kids and to talk bad about them is like saying something bad about my kids.My daughter is handicapped and these dogs bring her so much joy and it give us joy to see it.My hubby of 31 years helps me with them,and is into it as much as I am. I have been doing daycare for 22 years and the dogs and kids have learned alot too. I know people will talk and bad month others, I would just hope it would not come from a friend. (You think bad mouthing is bad with dogs you should see how it is in daycare..WOW..) I don't know you, I don't know anything about your dogs.I have never ment you,seen your kennels or your dogs. I would have no right to say anything about you, if you heard I have I'm sorry for that. I respect the work you do with yorkies and anything you would have to teach me I would be more then happy to learn. I don't know any other yorkie breeders in Maryland because I don't want to play any games ,I like my life just the way it is. Yes I have heard some of the bad mouthing, but I have heard more good then bad. I do not believe in passing the buck If I don't see it I don't know it. thanks again every one Lynda