HELP! Is this possible?

[YorkieShadow]

Its great to educate someone, But With this topic most of the post had nothing to do with her Question. Instead people went to her site to see or find out what ever they could, so they could be sure to put her down. I get so sick of seeing this over and over.
Okay most of you would not breed for tinys, I wouldnt either.
most of you wouldnt breed a 8 year female, I wouldnt either.
some of you would not call your tinys, T cup, micro, etc........I dont call mine that either, But it dont bother me that people do.
some people take their females to the vets as soon as they have puppys. good for you, but that dont mean every breeder does this. Dogs have been breed for many many years, and most breeders know what to look for if there is a problem. most dogs know what to do at birth, but yet many take over the momma dogs job with out there even being a problem. let mother nature take care of it. these females most of them know what to do, just keep a close eye on mother and puppies.

What Im getting at is not every breeder does every thing as the next one does.
So why not stay with the original question to this thread. instead of telling her what you would do.or what you feel she is doing wrong.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by Timmy and Ellie

Yikes - I know this is totally off-topic, but I can't hold back..just went to pricelessyorkies....YOU MUST spell check your site if you want to maintain any semblance of credibility!!! DESEASE, GUARENTEE, CHOAKER and the list goes on. I, for one, could never have confidence in one who pays no attention to detail. Sorry.

What does her spelling errors haveto do with her question? You have got to be kidding me. why would you even bring this up?

[baby03]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Not judging at all but maybe this will help you see where some of the concerns are coming from. Your posts and site are not consistent, and often contradictory. For example:

-- You say your male, who you thought was too young “got her” 3 times that you know of. So, it sounds accidental, since you thought he was too young for breeding. But later you say, “. The 2nd stud "mine" I had purchased because he IS the one I wanted to use on her so I aloud them to mate,”

-- You say “My breeding females are between 4&5 lbs. (AKC Standards).” But your site lists the females weights as 3 lb, 3 ¾ lb, and 4 ¾ lb. You say you haven’t bred the smallest yet, but your site does project her to breed with the 2 ½ lb male in August. So….looks like 2 of the 3 are less than 4 pounds and your statement here was very misleading.

--Some of your practices do not seem in keeping with the Breeders Code of Conduct and Code of Ethics as described on our breed’s parent club site:
The Yorkshire Terrier standard as posted on the AKC.org site comes from the YTCA.org. There you will find their recommendations:
"The YTCA’s Code of Ethics precludes the
use of the words “teacup”, “tiny specialists”, doll faced, or similar terminology
by its members, and for good reason." (I personally don't get bent out of shape at the mention of the words -- seem descriptive to me but they do make a person well aware that the breeder is going against the YTCA.)
-and-
"(Females weighing less than 5 pounds are considered by most breeders to be unsuitable for breeding.)" http://ytca.org/faq.html#A (I don't think weight alone is a good criteria to define a breedable female. But again, this is the recommendation from the parent organization.)

-- You say you have been doing this for 12 years with no lost puppies or C-sections. If all mothers have also sailed through healthily then that sort of trumps the odds. But you also say that you hired a stud for one female, and it got with another female (are you keeping them safely separated?) that you did not even know was in heat (Are you keeping good records?). You then mated her with a second male (your own) intentionally, even though you claim you thought he was too young.

--You are breeding less than 4 pound females.

--You are using terms like teacup, and micro-minis.

--You also claim to have a burgundy and black female?

--Then the subject of the thread … a puppy retained for 9 days?? Was she not checked to make sure there was no retained puppy? Did she get the recommended vet check along with the puppies? The retained puppy should have been caught. Had that been a still born retained too long like that, your female could have died from sepsis/infection.

So, like I said, there really are some things that jump out like red flags. That is why the thread is veering off track -- red flags and questions.

I can see that you love your Yorkies, providing them with their own room, a TV room and chamber music. But, when folks see things that we have been educated to look out for, it is only normal for them to be mentioned. You have been fortunate so far, but I would hope you have a vet check that little 3 pound female well before you subject her to breeding. See what the vet thinks about her chances of surviving. I just could not take that sort of chance.

As for the original question -- no, I have never heard of that and I searched through the books I have here and what I find is that they are usually all whelped at the same time even if bred days apart. I did find mentions of retained puppies beyond the first day, but nothing like 9 days later. So, you seem to have an anomaly. One that you will definitely need to get DNA testing on all pups to sort out.

If you do have the females well checked for breeding potential, all the genetic and infectious blood testing done, clearly no history of problems like luxating patella, etc… and the vet says they can safely have puppies …. then I think there are always exceptions to the rule. More important than being under 5 pounds would be all these considerations, their bone structure, and their own medical history. Good luck to you and that little miracle late arrival!

[tiggerr36792]

Well I personally think whats done is done at this point. I'm glad you have your little miracle getting healthier as time goes by, I hope she continues to strive. I know that no matter how responsible we all strive to be there are times when things like this happen, so i'm not going to pass judgement and keep my opinion to myself here.
Now about the question asked, since it does seem that there were 2 fathers to this pregnancy. I would love to know what your DNA results are. I thought I saw in one of your earlier posts that you were going to do a DNA, so if you wouldnt mind I would love to know the more accurate outcome if you don't mind sharing that info after you find out. I also have some info for you if you would pm me please.

[suz]

"Hello suz it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums? We'd love for you to become an active member here! "

I got this the other day from YT admin. It's threads like this that keep me from posting. People have questions so they ask here. Them someone comes along and starts bashing them for being irresponsible, unreputable, etc. Some even check their grammer. Far be it from me to delibrately hurt someone for asking what they feel is a just question. This is why I don't ask, don't tell!! I will keep reading and wondering about others questions, but I will not even attempt to justify the manner some people take. There are GOOD people on this site. I will continue to read.

As far as her question goes, my vet says that this is possible. Not likely, but possible.

[kelkiss5]

Originally Posted by suz

"Hello suz it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums? We'd love for you to become an active member here! "

I got this the other day from YT admin. It's threads like this that keep me from posting. People have questions so they ask here. Them someone comes along and starts bashing them for being irresponsible, unreputable, etc. Some even check their grammer. Far be it from me to delibrately hurt someone for asking what they feel is a just question. This is why I don't ask, don't tell!! I will keep reading and wondering about others questions, but I will not even attempt to justify the manner some people take. There are GOOD people on this site. I will continue to read.

As far as her question goes, my vet says that this is possible. Not likely, but possible.

If just opened a topic on of topic discussion on this mounting problem. FEELING BAD FIBES ON YT.

[spoiledrottenpo]

Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

Hum If she would of took her to the vet. he would of gave her a shot to help deliver all pups, well then she would of lost the baby, because it would been born premature. I dont agree. The ladys been breeding for years. Im sure she knows the signs of her dog in trouble. But I agreee now I would have the female checked.

Who said she lost any pups? Who said she never saw a vet? Who said she was in trouble and needed help with delivery? If people would read my replies to some of these bad assummed judgements, before posting an attacking statement of there own, they wouldn't waist our time & maybe we can all get back to the question at hand!

[suz]

Originally Posted by spoiledrottenpo

Who said she lost any pups? Who said she never saw a vet? Who said she was in trouble and needed help with delivery? If people would read my replies to some of these bad assummed judgements, before posting an attacking statement of there own, they wouldn't waist our time & maybe we can all get back to the question at hand!

[spoiledrottenpo]

Originally Posted by suz

"Hello suz it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums? We'd love for you to become an active member here! "

I got this the other day from YT admin. It's threads like this that keep me from posting. People have questions so they ask here. Them someone comes along and starts bashing them for being irresponsible, unreputable, etc. Some even check their grammer. Far be it from me to delibrately hurt someone for asking what they feel is a just question. This is why I don't ask, don't tell!! I will keep reading and wondering about others questions, but I will not even attempt to justify the manner some people take. There are GOOD people on this site. I will continue to read.

As far as her question goes, my vet says that this is possible. Not likely, but possible.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by spoiledrottenpo

Who said she lost any pups? Who said she never saw a vet? Who said she was in trouble and needed help with delivery? If people would read my replies to some of these bad assummed judgements, before posting an attacking statement of there own, they wouldn't waist our time & maybe we can all get back to the question at hand!

Hey I was with you on this. I was making a point that if you took her to the vet and he gave her a oxy shot you would of lost that little baby.so im glad momma didnt have a shot. You read my post wrong, or maybe I worded it wrong. I was just trying to say lets answer your topic question instead of giving you a hard time. lol

[straightsilk]

Originally Posted by suz

"Hello suz it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution or just engage in a conversation with another member in any one of our forums? We'd love for you to become an active member here! "

I got this the other day from YT admin. It's threads like this that keep me from posting. People have questions so they ask here. Them someone comes along and starts bashing them for being irresponsible, unreputable, etc. Some even check their grammer. Far be it from me to delibrately hurt someone for asking what they feel is a just question. This is why I don't ask, don't tell!! I will keep reading and wondering about others questions, but I will not even attempt to justify the manner some people take. There are GOOD people on this site. I will continue to read.

As far as her question goes, my vet says that this is possible. Not likely, but possible.

[txshopper73]

I am copy/pasting this from another thread. I meant to post it in this thread.

One must understand the reasons behind blunt posting...especially in the breeder's section. When people with a heart felt passion hears about tiny yorkie mommas that are being bred to produce tiny yorkies, it breaks their hearts. Many, many years have gone by where respected show breeders have tried to perfect our breed and then for someone to come along and purposely do something to change that genetic pattern to produce what is "in at the moment" ticks people off!

Owners control the breeding of these girls. A dog isn't going to understand that sitting out or not being bred is in their best interest. Once their bodies go into season, they'll just respond as nature has programmed them to do.

People may see shocked responses as being rude. I do not. It's one thing to flat out call someone stupid or other names. It's another to question their breeding practices.

Females will continue to have heat cycles well into old age. Does this mean that they should be bred? Heavens no! I know that as a human adult, I'd hate to be pregnant when I'm in my 50s. A dog that is 6 years old has earned a healthy retirement and should be spayed so that she can live the rest of her life as a lap dog.

We all want what is not only best for our beloved pets but for other people's pets as well.

JMO

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by spoiledrottenpo

Who said she lost any pups? Who said she never saw a vet? Who said she was in trouble and needed help with delivery? If people would read my replies to some of these bad assummed judgements, before posting an attacking statement of there own, they wouldn't waist our time & maybe we can all get back to the question at hand!

Your getting upset with the wrong people here. heres my post.
Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieShadow
Hum If she would of took her to the vet. he would of gave her a shot to help deliver all pups, well then she would of lost the baby, because it would been born premature. I dont agree. The ladies been breeding for years. Im sure she knows the signs of her dog in trouble. But I agree now I would have the female checked.
I was talking to another poster that said you should of took her to a vet and had a oxy shot, I was saying Im glad you didnt. If you did you would of lost that last baby. and I also said that you have been breeding awhile , so im sure you know when and when not to take your females in to the vets. I was paying you a compliment. Maybe I just didnt word it right.
Now im confused, Because daisy mae 06 paid you a compliment on your babys and she too got a bad post from you.

[baby03]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

I am copy/pasting this from another thread. I meant to post it in this thread.

One must understand the reasons behind blunt posting...especially in the breeder's section. When people with a heart felt passion hears about tiny yorkie mommas that are being bred to produce tiny yorkies, it breaks their hearts. Many, many years have gone by where respected show breeders have tried to perfect our breed and then for someone to come along and purposely do something to change that genetic pattern to produce what is "in at the moment" ticks people off!

Owners control the breeding of these girls. A dog isn't going to understand that sitting out or not being bred is in their best interest. Once their bodies go into season, they'll just respond as nature has programmed them to do.

People may see shocked responses as being rude. I do not. It's one thing to flat out call someone stupid or other names. It's another to question their breeding practices.

Females will continue to have heat cycles well into old age. Does this mean that they should be bred? Heavens no! I know that as a human adult, I'd hate to be pregnant when I'm in my 50s. A dog that is 6 years old has earned a healthy retirement and should be spayed so that she can live the rest of her life as a lap dog.

We all want what is not only best for our beloved pets but for other people's pets as well.

JMO

Exactly !!!

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

I am copy/pasting this from another thread. I meant to post it in this thread.

One must understand the reasons behind blunt posting...especially in the breeder's section. When people with a heart felt passion hears about tiny yorkie mommas that are being bred to produce tiny yorkies, it breaks their hearts. Many, many years have gone by where respected show breeders have tried to perfect our breed and then for someone to come along and purposely do something to change that genetic pattern to produce what is "in at the moment" ticks people off!

Owners control the breeding of these girls. A dog isn't going to understand that sitting out or not being bred is in their best interest. Once their bodies go into season, they'll just respond as nature has programmed them to do.

People may see shocked responses as being rude. I do not. It's one thing to flat out call someone stupid or other names. It's another to question their breeding practices.

Females will continue to have heat cycles well into old age. Does this mean that they should be bred? Heavens no! I know that as a human adult, I'd hate to be pregnant when I'm in my 50s. A dog that is 6 years old has earned a healthy retirement and should be spayed so that she can live the rest of her life as a lap dog.

We all want what is not only best for our beloved pets but for other people's pets as well.

JMO