Who uses hemostats to dock tails?

[YorkyDiva]

Clotisol is great for a thin coat over dew claw removal and it stops bleeding instantly.
I leave the hemostat on the tail for a bit after the excess is removed and it seals right up. No blood or stub ever. No need to use the Clotisol on the tail either if you use this method.
Misquito size hemostats for dew claws.
(I dread these dastardly deeds every time).

[bondai]

Ouch....that hurts just thinking about it.....I'm sorry Milo.

[Athena9]

Hi, I am still very new & the question to dock or not to has not been settled. I am still seiaIrching as to what is right for me. The last litter, we had 6 healthy pups, but I was very nervous about taking the new borns to the vets. Its one thing if u have a sick pup. Exposure to all those nasty germs for a procedure that is questionable. My question is, "What is the reason for docking the tail?"
I used to raise & show Great Danes & we cropped ears. I understand the reasoning many years ago, hopefully there is no more purpose for they are not fighting wild boars. Was the yorkie tail a problem when they were chasing vermin, or the tails were getting caught in the cupboard doors?
The last litter we had I did have a client who requested a puppy with the tail entact.
I would so appreciate anyone who could shed some light on this issue. Thanks,

[Teresa Ford]

My one Sister has poodles and Yorkies. The other sister has Chihuahuas and Yorkies. And Tail docking is a subject we usually stay away from. The AKC standard requires it, so we still do it; unless we can talk the people on the waiting list, to keep a full tail. But, oh how I wish docked tails and cropped ears (for some breeds like the Doberman) were optional. I think with in a few years there would be less and less docking. Eventually the ASPCA, SPCA, other clubs and dog breeders would push to have it banned.

When we do dock tails we use the hemostats and have never had any problems with bleeding. Dew claws we just snip off with sharp cuticle scissors and put a drop of liquid bandage.

Just like adoption at 12 weeks we do it, because the Yorkie Club says it is best. That is also what I teach. But, in my heart of hearts, I agree with the Seeing Eye dog foundation guide lines. I think 7 to 8 weeks is the perfect age for bonding with humans. I would personally rather see a pup placed in it's forever home, especially if the breeder was not doing the important socialization, pre- separation crate training, and early potty / clean nest training and work with every puppy.
I feel I can speak more openly here, than on the general forum. I do hate Drama and verbal slaps.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford

My one Sister has poodles and Yorkies. The other sister has Chihuahuas and Yorkies. And Tail docking is a subject we usually stay away from. The AKC standard requires it, so we still do it; unless we can talk the people on the waiting list, to keep a full tail. But, oh how I wish docked tails and cropped ears (for some breeds like the Doberman) were optional. I think with in a few years there would be less and less docking. Eventually the ASPCA, SPCA, other clubs and dog breeders would push to have it banned.

When we do dock tails we use the hemostats and have never had any problems with bleeding. Dew claws we just snip off with sharp cuticle scissors and put a drop of liquid bandage.

Just like adoption at 12 weeks we do it, because the Yorkie Club says it is best. That is also what I teach. But, in my heart of hearts, I agree with the Seeing Eye dog foundation guide lines. I think 7 to 8 weeks is the perfect age for bonding with humans. I would personally rather see a pup placed in it's forever home, especially if the breeder was not doing the important socialization, pre- separation crate training, and early potty / clean nest training and work with every puppy.
I feel I can speak more openly here, than on the general forum. I do hate Drama and verbal slaps.

Don't want to cause drama, but wouldn't the "Seeing Eye dog foundation guideline be for all breeds? I don’t think we can make rules for all breeds, and apply them to toy breeds, when it comes to something like this. I really do believe the YTCA members, who have decided that 12 weeks is best have done lots of study on the matter and it really gives the Yorkie the best chance at making it in its new home. I believe Yorkies bond better with humans than any dog breed I've ever had, I just don't think they have much of a problem bonding, of course, Joey did come from a breeder who did the socialization, but I hoped no one buys from a breeder who doesn't. From my experience on YT, it really seems like the people who have the most problems with biting are those who bought their dog before the 12th week. Mama dog teaches her pups inhibition of the biting reflex, and this doesn't begin, until the pups are finished nursing. I know I'll probably not change your mind, but I do hope to reach those breeders who may be thinking about selling them early.

[Teresa Ford]

That is a very valid point Nancy. I agree that one rule does not fit all. My training is completely designed for small toy dogs. I have a good friend who trains and shows Australian Shep. her methods work beautifully for them, but are very different from my lessons.
I see no harm in leaving Yorkie puppies with the Mama until they are 12 or even 14 weeks old. I do endorse and teach Yorkie pups should stay with Mama until they are 12 weeks old. I have even written articles for different clubs and breeders about why 12 weeks is best. I was saying I honestly believe the strongest bonds can be formed in week 7 and 8. I do think it is important for service dogs to relate more to humans than with other dogs.
Because I was on the breeders forum , I felt free to say (basically, not exact wording) Breeders should not leave all the teaching up to Mama dog and the litter mates. If a breeder is not doing their job too; From 8 weeks to 12 weeks the pup might as well go to its forever home where it will hopefully get a lot of one on one attention and early training. I will not encourage or suggest people ignore the professional advice of the AKC or the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America. But, I can still say what I think , can't I. Hugs

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford

That is a very valid point Nancy. I agree that one rule does not fit all. My training is completely designed for small toy dogs. I have a good friend who trains and shows Australian Shep. her methods work beautifully for them, but are very different from my lessons.
I see no harm in leaving Yorkie puppies with the Mama until they are 12 or even 14 weeks old. I do endorse and teach Yorkie pups should stay with Mama until they are 12 weeks old. I have even written articles for different clubs and breeders about why 12 weeks is best. I was saying I honestly believe the strongest bonds can be formed in week 7 and 8. I do think it is important for service dogs to relate more to humans than with other dogs.
Because I was on the breeders forum , I felt free to say (basically, not exact wording) Breeders should not leave all the teaching up to Mama dog and the litter mates. If a breeder is not doing their job too; From 8 weeks to 12 weeks the pup might as well go to its forever home where it will hopefully get a lot of one on one attention and early training. I will not encourage or suggest people ignore the professional advice of the AKC or the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America. But, I can still say what I think , can't I. Hugs

Thank you for adding that, I was worried that some people would just be encouraged to sell them sooner. I know some breeders are tempted to do this anyway because they are easier to sell when they are younger and also because of the amount of work they take. I was just afraid they would use this as an "excuse". I agree with you a breeder shouldn't leave all training up to mama, breeder should do human socialization, and mama should do canine socialization.

[lynzy420]

Theres a big difference between bonding and dependency. Just another viewpoint.