Why limited?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

If anyone understood the reason for limited registration, I would think it would be a breeder who shows their dogs and especially one that sells them for 5000.00. I would think that would be the last person to ask "why limited registration."

Ok! I'll bite since I'm a little dense and having difficulty understanding your post. Not the 1st statement but, the 2nd sentence.

Not questioning you at all....just need some pounding on the head to make me understand what you're saying.

Thanks

[MsCheryle478]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

If anyone understood the reason for limited registration, I would think it would be a breeder who shows their dogs and especially one that sells them for 5000.00. I would think that would be the last person to ask "why limited registration."

Why? I have already answered that I NEVER sell my dogs with limited registration. I have kept up with most of my pups but if someone really thought they wanted a Czech Import Germ. Shep. and was willing to pay my prices then I guess they would have one. I try to screen my potential buyers when long distance. But in the end, no one ever knows for sure. I charge top dollar for my pups (but only have one litter a year). Years ago my husband used to raise them for the police, drug enforcement and prison systems. That has changed and I only kept one female. Mainly because she throws such nice pups and she is so mellow - which is not common for high drive dogs. We have yet to ever have a pup that was not Schutzhund quality or breeding quality. Thus, I sell my pups for that very purpose. Most don't breed their dogs because it is a lot of work. Most that acquire a dog want it for Schutzhund training and to title. People do not buy my dogs because their son Timmy, whose 2 yrs. old, wants a puppy for Christmas.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Ok! I'll bite since I'm a little dense and having difficulty understanding your post. Not the 1st statement but, the 2nd sentence.

Not questioning you at all....just need some pounding on the head to make me understand what you're saying.

Thanks

My meaning is a person has high quality dogs that they obviously spent good money and alot of hard work on to get you would not want just anyone getting ahold of them just to breed and ruining your lines. You cant just assume that everyone with 5000.00 to hand over has the best of intentions. If you are in that business, I would think you would understand about protecting your bloodlines, not asking why is it necessary to limit the registration. That question usually comes from people who arent familiar with breeding and protecting their lines or having your dogs end up where you dont want them to be.

[Mardelin]

Ok! Gotcha...it was just the 2nd sentence that threw me....but, I did get it.

[jatango]

Originally Posted by MsCheryle478

Why? I have already answered that I NEVER sell my dogs with limited registration. I have kept up with most of my pups but if someone really thought they wanted a Czech Import Germ. Shep. and was willing to pay my prices then I guess they would have one. I try to screen my potential buyers when long distance. But in the end, no one ever knows for sure. I charge top dollar for my pups (but only have one litter a year). Years ago my husband used to raise them for the police, drug enforcement and prison systems. That has changed and I only kept one female. Mainly because she throws such nice pups and she is so mellow - which is not common for high drive dogs. We have yet to ever have a pup that was not Schutzhund quality or breeding quality. Thus, I sell my pups for that very purpose. Most don't breed their dogs because it is a lot of work. Most that acquire a dog want it for Schutzhund training and to title. People do not buy my dogs because their son Timmy, whose 2 yrs. old, wants a puppy for Christmas.

I think what some people may be missing is that most SCH imports are bred for working capability, not necessarily an AKC conformational standard. In many working breeds you have "show" lines and "working" lines. Generally speaking, the working dogs aren't as "pretty" as the show dogs, but MAN can they work a ring. Getting dogs with that amount of genetic endowment for performance sport is very important to success, so people will pay the price for it. Selling on limited registration is of no use because most if not all of the pups in the litter (barring something very strange) will have the same types of drive as mom and dad. There's not too much in a puppy that you can call a "flaw" unless they have some strange angulation that would make it difficult for the pup to work comfortably. With the performance breeds, you don't want to neuter early because some dogs bloom late and rack up the titles. You wouldn't want to lose that working potential by altering the dog too early.

Sch dogs in germany must undergo a breed evaluation before they are allowed to breed and those qualifications take at least a year to meet. Are your dogs Koerklasse-d?

[Mardelin]

I understand as I've handled Border Collies and have worked with Doberman Pinsher and Border Collie Breeders....so, I'm fully aware of working and herding groups. The breeders that I know do sell their dogs with limited registration and only sell open registration dogs to those they know and trust and even with that their dogs go with a stringent contract.

These their dogs obtain duel AKC Championships in Conformation as well as Performance Events.

[jatango]

I've seen it done both ways. I see limited more often in non-import dogs or those that don't have high European descent. I guess that was the only explanation I had for it at the time and was the one I was given. I haven't worked a Sch dog myself yet, so I'm still learning. Now i'm not so sure why you wouldn't use a limited registration. Maybe I need to review it and make sure I have the right idea about limited...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by jatango

I've seen it done both ways. I guess that was the only explanation I had for it at the time and was the one I was given. I haven't worked a Sch dog myself yet, so I'm still learning. Now i'm not so sure why you wouldn't use a limited registration. Maybe I need to review it and make sure I have the right idea about limited...

An AKC registered, altered dog can obtain AKC Titles in performance events. The limited registration only prevents their off-spring from being registered AKC should the owner chose to ignore the breeder's limited registration and breed the dog.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by MsCheryle478

Why? I have already answered that I NEVER sell my dogs with limited registration. I have kept up with most of my pups but if someone really thought they wanted a Czech Import Germ. Shep. and was willing to pay my prices then I guess they would have one. I try to screen my potential buyers when long distance. But in the end, no one ever knows for sure. I charge top dollar for my pups (but only have one litter a year). Years ago my husband used to raise them for the police, drug enforcement and prison systems. That has changed and I only kept one female. Mainly because she throws such nice pups and she is so mellow - which is not common for high drive dogs. We have yet to ever have a pup that was not Schutzhund quality or breeding quality. Thus, I sell my pups for that very purpose. Most don't breed their dogs because it is a lot of work. Most that acquire a dog want it for Schutzhund training and to title. People do not buy my dogs because their son Timmy, whose 2 yrs. old, wants a puppy for Christmas.

I guess it depends on the reasons you are breeding your dogs to begin with. Some are in it just for the money and will sell to whoever has the cash, some want to breed for their next show dog, some want to try to breed for good quality dogs for pets for loving homes, etc etc etc. Everyone has their reasons for doing things the way they do and many times, the reasons come from previous experience or maybe from learning from other peoples mistakes. I know there are many breeders that thought they screened their customers or trusted them with their lines and they end up getting burned in the end so it is just better in their eyes to sell with limited registration or spay/neuter them. I have not been doing this for long but you wouldnt believe all of the times people email me wanting "just a puppy to love" or wanting one to show and I google their names and guess what. They are nothing more than puppymills with several different breeds. It is scary to think one of your beloved dogs would end up in a place where their sole purpose in life would be to have litter after litter and be stuck in a cage all day with no one to love them and spoil them like you do.

[jatango]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

An AKC registered, altered dog can obtain AKC Titles in performance events. The limited registration only prevents their off-spring from being registered AKC should the owner chose to ignore the breeder's limited registration and breed the dog.

Oh! I'm such a dum-dum sometimes. I should really learn to read things more thoroughly. I thought it meant you had to alter the dog by a certain point. Neeeever mind! ::stuffs foot in mouth::

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by jatango

Oh! I'm such a dum-dum sometimes. I should really learn to read things more thoroughly. I thought it meant you had to alter the dog by a certain point. Neeeever mind! ::stuffs foot in mouth::

Well you aren't far off. Most contracts state: if the dog leaves the house prior to being altered, it will be spay/nuetered in a certain time frame. Some breeders even go so far as holding back registrations until they have vet documentation that it's been done. However, I've heard of some owners (on pets that you've placed out of your area) falsify documentations. So, it goes back to either altering them before you place them or only placing with whom you know and trust.

[BamaFan121s]

I don't know, I guess I am just baffled in general as to why anyone would put so much work and money and time and love into breeding and then not care what happens to the pups when they leave. Makes no sense to me...unless it is more for the love of $$$ than the dogs themselves.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I don't know, I guess I am just baffled in general as to why anyone would put so much work and money and time and love into breeding and then not care what happens to the pups when they leave. Makes no sense to me...unless it is more for the love of $$$ than the dogs themselves.

Let alone betraying the trust of those breeders before you that trusted you to safe guard their lines, which are now yours.

[natalienicole]

ok i guess ill get back into this again my thread anyways. the reason i started this thread was because i was searching on the net and found web site after website that was charging more for full registration and not just some more either 100s to 1000s and i did not think this was fair. and not only that but more for the females as well. I found this out when i was searching for my girl puppy and everytime i asked about a girl puppy i got the why a girl your not breeding are you lecture, and when i told them no they still didnt beleive me and then would turn arround and raise their price for the girls they had next time i talked to them. and not only that but if its true you are only trying to protect the line then why are girls always more? and ive seen many cases of this.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by natalienicole

ok i guess ill get back into this again my thread anyways. the reason i started this thread was because i was searching on the net and found web site after website that was charging more for full registration and not just some more either 100s to 1000s and i did not think this was fair. and not only that but more for the females as well. I found this out when i was searching for my girl puppy and everytime i asked about a girl puppy i got the why a girl your not breeding are you lecture, and when i told them no they still didnt beleive me and then would turn arround and raise their price for the girls they had next time i talked to them. and not only that but if its true you are only trying to protect the line then why are girls always more? and ive seen many cases of this.

The girls are usually more because they are the easiest to place. Most people want a girl so many times you need to lower your prices on the males to place them.