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natalienicole 04-02-2007 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jatango (Post 1041636)
They can try, just not with that breeder's dogs. There are many people out there willing to mentor, you just need to find the right one and think longterm. When you prove your worth to your mentor, maybe the other breeder would be more willing to give you a puppy on open registration.

You definitely can say you only sell limited. Can you imagine how many emails you would get daily from people who think they have "what it takes" and don't know a topline from a brisket? Don't know what a stop should look like or how leg feathering should look? Or how to pottytrain? (I'm so serious unfortunately.) If someone approaches you looking for a limited puppy and you're super impressed, then you might offer them open on your terms. For a busy breeder, mentoring can be harder than it's worth sometimes and I wouldn't want people asking me to do it every five minutes.
My whole point is they should be willing to give others a try they obviously got the chance from somewhere so they should be willing to give the chance. as well. Im not saying everyone who wants to should be given full registration just those that are intereested should be given the chance to try. and yes if that is raising a limited puppy first etc then so be it. but if they so wish to try to prove themselves as possible good dog breeder then they should be given the chance.

Mardelin 04-02-2007 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by natalienicole (Post 1041620)
ok the sad thing is we are saying the same thing i understand all of that. But like i said you cant say you only sell dogs with limited registration if that is the case and you are willing to sell to full registration to worthy buyers.
im not saying that everyone should breed etc. im just saying those that want to should be given that chance and when breeders say they only sell on limited registration there is no chance for those new breeders to try.
And you are right, I wouldn't sell to just someone just because they wanted to try. It would take a little bit more than that to convince me that I should put the time and effort into them.

You don't have to like the way I do things, but bottom line is that these are my dogs, in my care, with my set of rules and if people don't like my rules, they can look else where and they are still my dogs.

jatango 04-02-2007 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by natalienicole (Post 1041627)
thank you that was all i wanted was to know that people who wanted to try would be given a chance. Cuz i didnt think it fair to be automatically shut down. Im not even wanting to try right now but may in the future. i want to wait and see how anna fairs first and then ill maybe give it a shot.
Good! :) In the mean time, study up! You want to impress the snot out of that breeder when you approach them! Put a really cute dress on Anna and go to a dog show. Talk to people showing (when they aren't busy) and find out all you can about the dogs in the ring. Look at some of the more famous yorkies and try to burn into your brain what makes them different from other dogs and why they were so awesome. Form follows function, they look that way because it is the best structure to allow for free movement and less stress on the joints. Research training and genetic diseases and how to deal with a health crisis. You're stubborn and very determined, which can be a very very good thing in breeding. Even if you only breed for friends and family, you'll be giving them the very best puppies you can. :)

natalienicole 04-02-2007 05:10 PM
so where do i find dog shows in my area is there a web site? im live in a small town but would be willing to travel to Kansas city or somewhere like that? would like to go and watch if for nothing else.

jatango 04-02-2007 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by natalienicole (Post 1041652)
My whole point is they should be willing to give others a try they obviously got the chance from somewhere so they should be willing to give the chance. as well. Im not saying everyone who wants to should be given full registration just those that are intereested should be given the chance to try. and yes if that is raising a limited puppy first etc then so be it. but if they so wish to try to prove themselves as possible good dog breeder then they should be given the chance.
Pretty simple actually. If I were a breeder and I had the time to mentor them, if they put in all the hard work I did to get here and impressed me and were trustworthy, they would get a chance. That chance comes from hardwork and dedication though, not from some sort of entitlement.

jatango 04-02-2007 05:14 PM
Well, there is a big show weekend May 4, 5 and 6th in Gray Summit. You can look on this page. I'll go see if I can find any others. :)

EDIT: Some on infodog too.

www.infodog.com or www.onofrio.com are great places to start looking and will list most shows. :)

Mardelin 04-02-2007 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by natalienicole (Post 1041665)
so where do i find dog shows in my area is there a web site? im live in a small town but would be willing to travel to Kansas city or somewhere like that? would like to go and watch if for nothing else.

Go to onofrio.com. From there you'll click on Shows...it'll take yourto a series of drop down menues...you're looking for future shows. Lots of them in you state and surrounding states. There is the Yorkshire Terrier of Greater Kansas City coming up in August.....along with 4 days of All Breed Shows included. There's one coming up this weekend in Salina.

natalienicole 04-02-2007 05:16 PM
you didnt have to go look for me but i appreciate it. I didnt know if i could just do a web search if htat would bring something up or if there was a special website that listed them.

Mardelin 04-02-2007 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by natalienicole (Post 1041679)
you didnt have to go look for me but i appreciate it. I didnt know if i could just do a web search if htat would bring something up or if there was a special website that listed them.
There are other show Superintendents, but Onofrio is the one that is more frequently used for the Central US.

natalienicole 04-02-2007 05:20 PM
thanks

Mardelin 04-02-2007 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by natalienicole (Post 1041687)
thanks
There is also a Yorkshire Terrier Specialty coming up in May in OK City...followed by 2 days of Toy Dog Shows.....It's held at the Biltmore (not as fancy as it sounds).....very fun 3 days for a young person. Not only dog shows, but night entertainment, dinner, dancing, etc.....also a Club Dinner and auction on Friday night after the YT Specialty....great place to meet YT exhibitor breeders from all over and judges.

sylvan 04-02-2007 05:27 PM
Just one small point to make, since most of the others have been addressed to no avail....it is my opinion, that if I breed a dog that any of those pups produced are ultimately my responsibility for the full extent of their lives. They are on the planet because of my actions and so I accept knowing that their welfare is and will always be my concern. If I released a dog with full registration and expected it to be bred, then THOSE pups would also be my responsibility..and so on and so on. That is a burden that most thoughtful, responsible breeders do not take lightly and so, do not willingly release any dogs meant for breeding without a serious and well executed mentorship arrangement. Anyone just willing to release registration with a higher price tag, to whomever, has questionable ethics in my opinion......and yes, there are lots and lots of them out there.

jatango 04-02-2007 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by natalienicole (Post 1041643)
thanks for the informative website. and new question sorry to change the subject just me trying to learn again. how does one go about showing or joining a dog club? i live in small town and their are no dog shows or etc. i think im the only one in town who owns a purebreed yorkie let alone anything else. Is there a web site where you can find dog shows in the area i would love to go watch one. daugher would love it to she loves dogs.
Most small towns won't have dog shows. The ones listed on those sites are pretty much all you're getting. :) I usually make a mini-vacation out of it and stay in a hotel for a night (or sleep in the car...) if I need to go farther to see what I want. If you want to learn how to show, look up an obedience club in MO and see if they have a conformation handling class. They'll probably let you go to class with Anna, and you can apply what you've learned on a show pup if/when you decide to get one. Most club websites will tell you when they have meetings and what classes they offer. You and Anna would have a blast! Most will even let your daughter come if she's old enough and she can learn how to handle too! Junior showmanship can be a lot of fun for little munchkins and some start as early as 6!

Mardelin 04-02-2007 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sylvan (Post 1041700)
Just one small point to make, since most of the others have been addressed to no avail....it is my opinion, that if I breed a dog that any of those pups produced are ultimately my responsibility for the full extent of their lives. They are on the planet because of my actions and so I accept knowing that their welfare is and will always be my concern. If I released a dog with full registration and expected it to be bred, then THOSE pups would also be my responsibility..and so on and so on. That is a burden that most thoughtful, responsible breeders do not take lightly and so, do not willingly release any dogs meant for breeding without a serious and well executed mentorship arrangement. Anyone just willing to release registration with a higher price tag, to whomever, has questionable ethics in my opinion......and yes, there are lots and lots of them out there.
You are so right, I'm even responsible for those puppies that were produced by my studs, if in fact the breeder does not take back the puppies.

jatango 04-02-2007 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1041715)
You are so right, I'm even responsible for those puppies that were produced by my studs, if in fact the breeder does not take back the puppies.
It's things like this that make me wonder if I should ever get into breeding. I've contemplated it, but usually not for more than 2.5 minutes before I started hyperventilating from all of the responsibility. :p I don't know how you guys sleep at night, I would worry myself sick!


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