To be blunt, if we didn't "force" dogs to have puppies, there wouldn't be any more yorkies. All we would have left are mixes. Dogs don't breed because they fall in love, they breed because nature is telling them to. Some females will breed with horrible looking and unhealthy dogs just because the urge is there. Frankly, I'd much rather provide a female (who has the right temperament and structure and is certified healthy to breed) with a nice healthy sound male. If she had her choice, she would pick the closest most persistent boy. Boys are the same way. They react identically to any female in heat...and sometimes to my pillows...

You may be right too, many people who breed don't do what they should, and they probably aren't members of the YTCA. I'm not trying to be an elitist, but when I buy my boyfriend a yorkie, I WILL be getting it from a YTCA member that does genetic testing and has championship pedigrees and knows his/her stuff. I'll do this because I love my boyfriend and don't want to see him swindled by someone who would sell him a puppy with genetic problems and a temperament that is unbecoming of the wonderful yorkie. I don't want him to have to waste one tear because I didn't do my research and find an ethical breeder. In essence, yeah, I am looking for the best. I want the friendliest, healthiest, best looking yorkie in the whole world for him. The easiest way to do that is to go to a GOOD breeder.

YTCA members are good breeders because they are voted on, because they abide by the code of conduct and ethics. The scrutinize each other to make sure that no one is giving the YTCA a bad name. If the ethics of that organization goes downhill, then membership means nothing and you don't know who to trust. You bet your buns that I support an organization that would kick people out for bad breeding practices, it's in my best interest!

it may not bring you money i will admit i do not know if it does or not. but i do know its not fair for you to say i have my mind made up when in fact this thread started because breeders had their mind made up and was not willing to give otehrs a chance. i am trying to understand and i do on some things but i do not know how you can tell me i have a stuborn mind when in fact we both do or there wouldnt be a discussion.
iM just saying people should be given a chance those willing to learn should be able to do so. and breeders selling their dogs to these people should be willing to help them if they want to say they care about their dogs they should care about what happens to them outside of their homes and what their buyers are doing. whether they be breeding or not.
i dont think its fair to charge more for females or full registrtaion and im not saying you or any breeder in specific is doing this but there are some who do. and they should sell dogs with full registration due to the fact that if they are so afraid of their puppies going to puppy mills they shouldnt sell them to that paticular person they are fear would do that to a puppy. and like i said be willing to help and work with teh buyer to breed their dog if that is how they so wish to do with their dog that they bought from you.

and yes i understnad their wouldnt be anymore yorkies without you breeding them but i didnt mean just leave them arround and let them breed with anything. all im saying is put them with a male yorkie and if it happens it happens if it doesnt leave it alone. most breeders that i know personally do not do that they breed to breed and that is it. and i do not beleive thats looking into their dogs best interest. having babies is not always safe and those who make/let dogs do it all them are not in my opinion giving their dogs the best environment.

That is a misconception. Reputable Breeders are willing to help that newbie that truely shows an interest in doing it right and has Honesty, Ingetrity and Ethics...things that can't be taught. How do you think I got started, not by someone selling me a dog with full registration without knowing me. It took me a year and half to get my first show dog from a very well known reputable exhibitor breeder that has been doing this for 35+ years. I had to earn her trust. I had to be willing to jump through hoops and learn how to do it right.

then why is everyone on here that has posted negatively saying they only sell their dogs with limited registration. you cant say that and then say you would be willing to help a buyer interested in breeding. they cant breed or shouldnt breed with limited registration.

But what you aren't getting is that the world isn't made of sunshine and rainbows. People who buy puppies and say they won't breed lie. It happens all the time. Go work with a rescue and see how often the story comes up. If I sell a puppy to someone in California I can't walk down the street to make sure they haven't bred the dog. I've learned not to trust people when it comes to animals and money.

There isn't enough time in a lifetime to help every joe out there who wants to breed yorkies, nor will they all listen to your advice. Breeders will help people who want to breed, but you need to show that you can raise your own puppy well and know what it takes to get that championship and be a good breeder. I sure as the devil wouldn't give just anyone my best looking girl and wait until they called me at 2am crying because she whelped a whole litter of dead puppies on their bed. It happens over and over again, even when you think you can trust someone. So yeah, you have to work for it. If you (general, not you specifically) don't want to be a good breeder, don't. Just don't think you're doing anyone any favors by not knowing as much as you should and then still charging as much as a good breeder would.

Honestly, you aren't listening to me or many others on here. It sounds like you're upset because you think the whole world should be fair, and everyone should be given the chance to breed dogs. You do have the chance. Just get $2000, go to a pet store at the mall and breed the first girl you find. I promise you'll run into things you didn't expect. Don't like that idea? Why? However, don't think a breeder worth her salt is going to give you or anyone else her intact pick female because you "want to breed." If the way people do it now didn't work, it wouldn't be done with every breed on the planet.

They only sell their dogs on limited registration UNLESS you are the right person. It's their line, their puppy, their prerogative. If they trust that person, they will sell with an open registration. If they don't trust you, you won't be getting that chance. If someone does breed a puppy on limited registration, they can't get AKC papers. The average person knows they should have papers. Without them the person won't even get 1/2 of the market price per pup. It dissuades the greeders from breeding because they know they won't make that much off the pup anyway.

I'm getting a doberman pup this summer on a limited registration and I couldn't be happier to know that my breeder cares about dobes as a breed. I'm not ready to be a breeder by any stretch of the imagination, so I wouldn't even bother asking for an open registration puppy. I don't want the responsibility of a large intact dog in my house either.

your not listening to me either you shouldnt sell to people all they way accross the country you cant keep in contact that well. and you shouldnt sell to people who you dont trust. if you kept track of everyone you sold a puppy to you wouldnt have to worry about it. and i know the worlds not all sunshine and rainbows im not saying it is. all im saying is if you have that many puppies wher eyou cant keep track of buyers and what they are doig with sold puppies you have to many. and you shouldnt have your mind set on limited registration without considering with the right person giving full registration. im not saying that everyone should be given full especially if they dont want it but if you cant trust your buyers then dont sell them to that buyer. and those that you arent sure about should be given limited registraion. but those that approach with the thought of getting full registraition shouldnt be automatically turned down. just cuz you only sell with limited registration.

Almost 99% of the time that is a fact. There is that 1% that approach reputable breeders that shows real promise and desire....However, they wouldn't just hand over a dog and say here you are have at it. A good mentor would put in the time and effort in guiding and teaching everything they can to this person. Teaching them genetics, pedigrees, having them assist in breeding and whelping....grooming, and the list goes on. It's not just a simple overnight process. This is what I consider a bonding period between mentor and student.....because there has to be a mutal trust and goals....All this is done before obtaining a dog from the breeder.

I agree with just about everything there actually. BUT, those that approach me with the idea of getting a full registration pup better have raised another well-bred pup from someone whose recommendation I trust, or one of my limited registration pups. If you can do that and I think you know you're stuff, we'll talk. Otherwise, forget it. (All hypothetical of course)

On a sidenote, most breeders have full or part time jobs and don't have the time to mentor someone. Maybe that's why they tell people to go see someone else.

ok the sad thing is we are saying the same thing i understand all of that. But like i said you cant say you only sell dogs with limited registration if that is the case and you are willing to sell to full registration to worthy buyers.
im not saying that everyone should breed etc. im just saying those that want to should be given that chance and when breeders say they only sell on limited registration there is no chance for those new breeders to try.

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Found this on TopKnot's webpage - great info - please read! :thumbup:

http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html

thank you that was all i wanted was to know that people who wanted to try would be given a chance. Cuz i didnt think it fair to be automatically shut down. Im not even wanting to try right now but may in the future. i want to wait and see how anna fairs first and then ill maybe give it a shot.

They can try, just not with that breeder's dogs. There are many people out there willing to mentor, you just need to find the right one and think longterm. When you prove your worth to your mentor, maybe the other breeder would be more willing to give you a puppy on open registration.

You definitely can say you only sell limited. Can you imagine how many emails you would get daily from people who think they have "what it takes" and don't know a topline from a brisket? Don't know what a stop should look like or how leg feathering should look? Or how to pottytrain? (I'm so serious unfortunately.) If someone approaches you looking for a limited puppy and you're super impressed, then you might offer them open on your terms. For a busy breeder, mentoring can be harder than it's worth sometimes and I wouldn't want people asking me to do it every five minutes.

thanks for the informative website. and new question sorry to change the subject just me trying to learn again. how does one go about showing or joining a dog club? i live in small town and their are no dog shows or etc. i think im the only one in town who owns a purebreed yorkie let alone anything else. Is there a web site where you can find dog shows in the area i would love to go watch one. daugher would love it to she loves dogs.