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bruizersmummy · 03-23-2007, 11:58 AM

I am just getting into breeding Yorkies. After about 10 years breeding shelties... Can anyone help me with sizes and teacups? and babyface? and what the difference is? I know alot about small breeds as my mother breeds chihuahua's and my aunt breeds poms. But I hear alot of different things about yorkies. Please help my be a great breeded and not misstake none of these trates. Thank you so much......

Jenni and Joel- Parents of 2 human children

and 3 furry children

fannie · 03-23-2007, 12:02 PM

As for "teacup" yorkies, check out this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64153

A babyface is just that... small features, short nose, etc.

JeanieK · 03-23-2007, 12:03 PM

I would suggest you go to the AKC and read about the breed standard so you know what to look for.

The so called "teacups" are undersized dogs that are usually very fragile. It is not considered responsible to breed especially to get the smaller size 4 pounds or less. It will happen ocasionally with any breeder, but to do it deliberately is frowned on.

bruizersmummy · 03-23-2007, 12:15 PM

I have done alot of research on the breed. My male in CKC regestered. I have a few people wanting to breed with him but I want to make sure he has what it takes to be a good stud dog.

BamaFan121s · 03-23-2007, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruizersmummy

I have done alot of research on the breed. My male in CKC regestered. I have a few people wanting to breed with him but I want to make sure he has what it takes to be a good stud dog.

No offense, but your posts are very contradicting. You state you are just getting started and need help with teacups and size of Yorkies...very basic principals, IMO. Then you turn around and state you have done alot of research on the breed...

bruizersmummy · 03-23-2007, 12:38 PM

I have done alot of research but then I still have people telling me their dogs carry the "teacup" gene or some people swear there is no difference between a normal yorkie and a baby face. They say it is just a way to make more money by calling it a teacup or a babyface. I just wanted to get information from breeders who seem to be very respected on YT. Sorry if I am being confuceing I'm looking for some one to show me what to stay away from..... Thank you for being constructive. It helps me become in better understanding with the breed.

BamaFan121s · 03-23-2007, 12:50 PM

You should find someone in your area that is a well established Yorkie breeder to work with. They will be able to share their knowledge with you and guide you along the way. What about the breeder you got your male from?

bruizersmummy · 03-23-2007, 12:58 PM

I got him from a lady that told me about the babyface just being a way of getting more money for the pups. I don't think she is a very trusted breeder but I could not turn down the price of Bruizer.

Ladyhawk · 03-23-2007, 03:19 PM

What lines do your babies come through? As was stated the word teacup is a marketing ploy to sell under sized pups at big prices. Baby doll face usually refers to a dog that has a shorter muzzle and too deep a stop. If you get ahold or the Yorkshire terrier club of America and can get them to send you The Illustrated Discussion of the Yorkshire Terrier I think you'll find it invaluable. I picked one up in NY and it is fantastic in explaining the breed standard. It has pictures and addresses the terms that you are wondering about. I'll see if I can scan a pic of the doll face for you.

luvdorkyyorkies · 03-23-2007, 04:11 PM

When you breed yorkies, especially as a beginner , you may hear the terms used, but you dont know the whole reality of them. WHat they actually mean, its a term, but it isnt clear. I think that is what you are asking. There is alot between the lines. I hope I read your question right and that is what you are asking

I am a breeder but I do not always adhere to exact standards. BUt thru experience I can give you this valuable advice.
In your breeding program, it would be in the best interest for you, the puppy and the purchaser that is the guidelines you look for, THE STANDARD.
When you get into the slang term "tea cup size" or very small yorkie you run into alot more problems. Sometimes many you never even thought about, unless you experience it you just dont know, even with research.
I admit Tinies are cute little buggers. But these are the ones that require special care.
TO be responsible you have to keep them at least until they are 12 weeks old, many times much longer then that. They have to go to special homes. The homes need special education if they dont already know what they are getting into.The puppies are very fragile. Many times they have problems at birth. They have problems latching on, they require supplement to thrive, their lil bones are like twigs. Jumping from a couch for them is like jumping from the empire state building and then they develop joint problems. Most very small yorkies have open fontanels for many, many months. ANd I know I left alot of stuff out!
The truth is even if you bred within standard ( I dont always do that, I have big yorkies and a couple small too) you still will get those various sizes because of the history of the breed. Start your breeding program within the standard, Learn the pedigrees, and save yourself alot of grief. ( from someone who knows)

Yorkies above 4 lbs or more tend to be sturdier. ANd A much better representation of the breed in all ways.
No dog will be perfect. If you want the best for them and mean it, it will happen without a doubt.
I hope this helps your goals in some way.
Good luck!

bruizersmummy · 03-23-2007, 04:31 PM

Thank you all so much. You all are giving me more and more valueable information. I will be looking for a Female here in the near future and will chack on her to see if any of you have one when I'm ready. Thanks again.

cj125 · 03-23-2007, 04:31 PM

This page has some pictures... hope it helps.

http://dandugmore.netfirms.com/spiceseminar.html

YorkieRose · 03-23-2007, 05:43 PM

May I ask at what age you purchased your male as a potential stud? What was you reason for not going the AKC route?

BamaFan121s · 03-23-2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruizersmummy

I got him from a lady that told me about the babyface just being a way of getting more money for the pups. I don't think she is a very trusted breeder but I could not turn down the price of Bruizer.

I know you said before you are not very privy to the breed standard...
Have you had a breed expert or well seasoned, ethical Yorkie breeder help you to evaluate your male? What indicates to you that he is of a quality that should be bred? I would just kind of think it a long shot that a dog you got for a 'good price' from a breeder that you don't think is trustworthy would end up being a good stock candidate. I could be wrong, but... I'm sure in any case he is a fabulous little guy to have around.

bruizersmummy · 03-24-2007, 06:28 AM

I have only had I groomer tell me he is one of the best looking Yorkie she has seen. I am not sure if I am going to breed him that is why I am one here looking up more stuff about the breed and getting TRUE information. I really don't want to breed with CKC. I would prefer to have AKC. I bought this male just cause I have allways wanted a Yorkie. I'm sorry if you all are missunderstanding me. I have tryed a local breeder to see if she would help me in my quest to find the right info and have her show me the difference in person but she turned me down so I'm thinking she must not be a respected breeder. Anway, thank you all so much.

03-23-2007, 11:58 AM	#1
bruizersmummy YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 662	Breeders please help!!!! I am just getting into breeding Yorkies. After about 10 years breeding shelties... Can anyone help me with sizes and teacups? and babyface? and what the difference is? I know alot about small breeds as my mother breeds chihuahua's and my aunt breeds poms. But I hear alot of different things about yorkies. Please help my be a great breeded and not misstake none of these trates. Thank you so much...... Jenni and Joel- Parents of 2 human children and 3 furry children

03-23-2007, 12:02 PM	#2
fannie Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,693	As for "teacup" yorkies, check out this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64153 A babyface is just that... small features, short nose, etc. __________________ Steph, Mama to 6 skin babies and beautiful yorkies!

03-23-2007, 04:31 PM	#11
bruizersmummy YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 662	Thank you all so much. You all are giving me more and more valueable information. I will be looking for a Female here in the near future and will chack on her to see if any of you have one when I'm ready. Thanks again. __________________ Jenni and (thanks to YT) Essie!!!! Essie's on Myspace. Add us! myspace.com/brenden_allison

03-23-2007, 04:31 PM	#12
cj125 Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,403	This page has some pictures... hope it helps. http://dandugmore.netfirms.com/spiceseminar.html __________________ *Connie* Mia Max Moe

03-23-2007, 05:43 PM	#13
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	stud May I ask at what age you purchased your male as a potential stud? What was you reason for not going the AKC route?

03-23-2007, 12:03 PM	#3
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	I would suggest you go to the AKC and read about the breed standard so you know what to look for. The so called "teacups" are undersized dogs that are usually very fragile. It is not considered responsible to breed especially to get the smaller size 4 pounds or less. It will happen ocasionally with any breeder, but to do it deliberately is frowned on.

03-23-2007, 12:15 PM	#4
bruizersmummy YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 662	I have done alot of research on the breed. My male in CKC regestered. I have a few people wanting to breed with him but I want to make sure he has what it takes to be a good stud dog.

03-23-2007, 12:38 PM	#6
bruizersmummy YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 662	I have done alot of research but then I still have people telling me their dogs carry the "teacup" gene or some people swear there is no difference between a normal yorkie and a baby face. They say it is just a way to make more money by calling it a teacup or a babyface. I just wanted to get information from breeders who seem to be very respected on YT. Sorry if I am being confuceing I'm looking for some one to show me what to stay away from..... Thank you for being constructive. It helps me become in better understanding with the breed.

03-23-2007, 12:50 PM	#7
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	You should find someone in your area that is a well established Yorkie breeder to work with. They will be able to share their knowledge with you and guide you along the way. What about the breeder you got your male from?

03-23-2007, 12:58 PM	#8
bruizersmummy YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 662	I got him from a lady that told me about the babyface just being a way of getting more money for the pups. I don't think she is a very trusted breeder but I could not turn down the price of Bruizer.

03-23-2007, 04:11 PM	#10
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	When you breed yorkies, especially as a beginner , you may hear the terms used, but you dont know the whole reality of them. WHat they actually mean, its a term, but it isnt clear. I think that is what you are asking. There is alot between the lines. I hope I read your question right and that is what you are asking I am a breeder but I do not always adhere to exact standards. BUt thru experience I can give you this valuable advice. In your breeding program, it would be in the best interest for you, the puppy and the purchaser that is the guidelines you look for, THE STANDARD. When you get into the slang term "tea cup size" or very small yorkie you run into alot more problems. Sometimes many you never even thought about, unless you experience it you just dont know, even with research. I admit Tinies are cute little buggers. But these are the ones that require special care. TO be responsible you have to keep them at least until they are 12 weeks old, many times much longer then that. They have to go to special homes. The homes need special education if they dont already know what they are getting into.The puppies are very fragile. Many times they have problems at birth. They have problems latching on, they require supplement to thrive, their lil bones are like twigs. Jumping from a couch for them is like jumping from the empire state building and then they develop joint problems. Most very small yorkies have open fontanels for many, many months. ANd I know I left alot of stuff out! The truth is even if you bred within standard ( I dont always do that, I have big yorkies and a couple small too) you still will get those various sizes because of the history of the breed. Start your breeding program within the standard, Learn the pedigrees, and save yourself alot of grief. ( from someone who knows) Yorkies above 4 lbs or more tend to be sturdier. ANd A much better representation of the breed in all ways. No dog will be perfect. If you want the best for them and mean it, it will happen without a doubt. I hope this helps your goals in some way. Good luck!

03-24-2007, 06:28 AM	#15
bruizersmummy YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 662	I have only had I groomer tell me he is one of the best looking Yorkie she has seen. I am not sure if I am going to breed him that is why I am one here looking up more stuff about the breed and getting TRUE information. I really don't want to breed with CKC. I would prefer to have AKC. I bought this male just cause I have allways wanted a Yorkie. I'm sorry if you all are missunderstanding me. I have tryed a local breeder to see if she would help me in my quest to find the right info and have her show me the difference in person but she turned me down so I'm thinking she must not be a respected breeder. Anway, thank you all so much. __________________ Jenni and (thanks to YT) Essie!!!! Essie's on Myspace. Add us! myspace.com/brenden_allison