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bdbmamaw · 01-31-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

Make sure you know this Breeder well before buying her female. If shes not happy with the amount of litters AKC allows then she may be breeding her Females to often, I dont know her so I cant say. I know AKC Breeders and CKC Breeders ,and the ones I know are very good breeders. But like someone allready said CKC can be done with just a picture of your Dog.
If you are planning to turn Your AKC to a CKC all you will have to do is call them They will take The AKC info for your CKC papers.

You're right, YorkieShadow about the 'Open' registration (registration with just a picture), but I found out last November that CKC was closing and did close this type of registration on Dec 31st. I think this is a very smart move on their part.

YorkieShadow · 01-31-2007, 08:04 PM

Well Breny I paid more for my CKC Yorkie Then I did My AKC YOrkie. and when I did The AKC Breeder asked me why would I do that? My Answer was because that was the puppy I wanted. YOu will find a lot of AKC Breeders that dont or wont have any thing to do with a CKC Yorkie. BUt its up to you what you want. I dont think any less of my CKC Yorkie Then I do my AKC Yorkie

If I was to Breed my AKC male to My CKC Female he would have to be registered CKC There for the pups would be sold CKC Registered. And I have had people at the vets that Have Yorkies tell me if I ever have pups they want one. and I then tell them they would be CKC and none of those cared as long as they was registered. so you have some that will pay top dollar for CKC and then some that want only AKC.

BamaFan121s · 01-31-2007, 08:16 PM

No, my pups have actually not been hard to sell because they were CKC...I have actually run into more people who are more concerned with "getting a small one" or a girl than they were registry. (Because apparently anything over 4 pounds is part horse, in case you didn't know.

)

It just gets tiresome to feel like you either 1) have to defend yourself because you ARE a CKC breeder, or 2) ignoring it, which only allows the negative light being cast to remain.

Kind of like that old 'rock and a hard place' saying...

CO_yorkie_momma · 01-31-2007, 09:12 PM

(Because apparently anything over 4 pounds is part horse, in case you didn't know.

)

Made me spit out my Mountain Dew.

luvdorkyyorkies · 02-01-2007, 05:37 AM

HI Breny,

When I first started raising yorkies, I just didnt put alot of thought into the importance of registry. So a few of my dogs are CKC. I am happy with them, and attached!
But IMO it would be your best bet to go with all AKC. Im certainly not putting down CKC dogs because I have some.
CKC limits you and some people do question you about the registry. At this time it just isnt as respected, maybe one day, with some of the rule adjustments it will be, but for now its not.
Alot of people just dont care, they just want a nice pet, but some people do care alot even if just for a pet, so it might close some doors for one of your puppies to go to an excellent home based on registry alone.
ANd what if you have one day the most beautiful show potential come out of your CKC mating. They cant be shown in the AKC shows.
You might not have interest in showing, I m not either right now but if I decided to try one day and my best dog is CKC, I cant even consider them.
Something to think about for your future program. Things Inever thought about until after the fact.

Breny · 02-01-2007, 05:59 AM

Everyone:

I want to thank everyone for your answers!!! I wouldn't ask if I didn't want to hear what everyone has to say

I appreciate that !!!!!

The parents ARE both AKC and CKC so she said she will register her AKC, so that won't be an issue. The ears....I'll have to look. I know what I'm looking for and I won't get her if I'm not comfortable...thats for sure. But I do want a 7lb female.

I just don't know anything about CKC, so thanks for everyones opinions !!! I do think I'm going to duel register Brodie now though.

Keep those opinions coming.....I'm here to learn and educate myself !!!! THANKS for helping me !!!

bdbmamaw · 02-01-2007, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

(Because apparently anything over 4 pounds is part horse, in case you didn't know.

)

I'm just now picking myself up off the floor!!!! That is too funny, but soooo true!!!

FlDebra · 02-01-2007, 06:37 AM

Just to give you a customer perspective.....when I was looking for my last two Yorkies, I did not even go look if they were not AKC registered. I am looking into possibly showing/breeding sometime in the future and they need to be AKC to participate in conformation at any AKC event.

(CKC in all of the following is referring to Continental Kennel Club -- CKC when meaning Canadian Kennel Club is entirely different. )
I am sure there are very ethical and loving breeders that are using CKC registry but.... I think too many of the early CKC people were malcontents and short-cut takers who could not abide by AKC's rules for animal health and safety. I am glad to hear they have stopped the picture verification registration -- I have seen MANY mixed breeds that could "pass." But what about the next generation? I imagine that is how we get some of these cute dogs that look nothing like the Yorkie standard -- but their owners swear they are pure-breds. Unfortunately the CKC gene pool is FULL of these picture-verified dogs that go on to dilute the lines.

Being AKC registered does not guarantee -- but at least this registry has put a lot of restrictions in place and does not easily allow registration of mixes. It is no coincidence that the puppymills are now steering away from AKC -- there are plenty of them that use CKC and APRI. Some puppy mills have even started their own registries. Some registries are little more than paper mills for puppy mills.

Here is a good article on registries: http://www.wonderpuppy.net/kc.htm It also goes on to explain what to look for in a good registry and what to look out for in the not so good registries.

If I was looking for a pet only, that I intended to spay or neuter -- and if I knew the breeder or was very aware of their reputation, then I might consider a CKC registered dog. But I would not send in the money to register the pup. I do not want to add money to an organization I believe was founded to support puppy mills.

FlDebra · 02-01-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bdbmamaw

You're right, YorkieShadow about the 'Open' registration (registration with just a picture), but I found out last November that CKC was closing and did close this type of registration on Dec 31st. I think this is a very smart move on their part.

I just checked their site and it still says that for $12, 2 witness signatures and 3 photos you can register the dog!

"2.Dogs over 6 months of age which have no previous Registration history may be registered by providing 2 witness signatures attesting to the purebred status of the dog along with 3 photos (front,left and right) of the dog to confirm it is ?of proper breed type? as defined by our current CKC Registration Rules and Regulations." http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...eRegistrations

This is nothing against the breeders that are doing everything right with their CKC dogs -- but I am just very much against this registry among a few others. They are just out to take money and legitimize the puppy mills .

BamaFan121s · 02-01-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FlDebra

I just checked their site and it still says that for $12, 2 witness signatures and 3 photos you can register the dog!

When I spoke with CKC last September, they said that the first of the year was their goal for stopping the open reg, depending on if they had met their quota and would be ending the period for each breed. I, like most, hope they end the open registration soon.

I am tired of that being used as a point to argue against organization.

I definately undstand and agree with choosing AKC if your desire is to eventualy show in conformation. However, if you are interested in agility, CKC is very involved in that area so you would definately have more options to weigh there. That was another factor that weighed heavily in my decision.

bdbmamaw · 02-01-2007, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I just checked their site and it still says that for $12, 2 witness signatures and 3 photos you can register the dog!

"2.Dogs over 6 months of age which have no previous Registration history may be registered by providing 2 witness signatures attesting to the purebred status of the dog along with 3 photos (front,left and right) of the dog to confirm it is ?of proper breed type? as defined by our current CKC Registration Rules and Regulations." http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...eRegistrations

This is nothing against the breeders that are doing everything right with their CKC dogs -- but I am just very much against this registry among a few others. They are just out to take money and legitimize the puppy mills .

Thanks for the update. I had heard that they were and had ended it at the end of 2006. Hmmmm.....

01-31-2007, 08:04 PM	#17
YorkieShadow BANNED! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 9,999	Well Breny I paid more for my CKC Yorkie Then I did My AKC YOrkie. and when I did The AKC Breeder asked me why would I do that? My Answer was because that was the puppy I wanted. YOu will find a lot of AKC Breeders that dont or wont have any thing to do with a CKC Yorkie. BUt its up to you what you want. I dont think any less of my CKC Yorkie Then I do my AKC Yorkie If I was to Breed my AKC male to My CKC Female he would have to be registered CKC There for the pups would be sold CKC Registered. And I have had people at the vets that Have Yorkies tell me if I ever have pups they want one. and I then tell them they would be CKC and none of those cared as long as they was registered. so you have some that will pay top dollar for CKC and then some that want only AKC. Last edited by YorkieShadow; 01-31-2007 at 08:08 PM.

02-01-2007, 05:59 AM	#21
Breny My Tiny Treasures Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: . Posts: 11,790 Blog Entries: 3	Everyone: I want to thank everyone for your answers!!! I wouldn't ask if I didn't want to hear what everyone has to say I appreciate that !!!!! The parents ARE both AKC and CKC so she said she will register her AKC, so that won't be an issue. The ears....I'll have to look. I know what I'm looking for and I won't get her if I'm not comfortable...thats for sure. But I do want a 7lb female. I just don't know anything about CKC, so thanks for everyones opinions !!! I do think I'm going to duel register Brodie now though. Keep those opinions coming.....I'm here to learn and educate myself !!!! THANKS for helping me !!! __________________ http://Brenysbabies.com

02-01-2007, 06:37 AM	#23
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	Just to give you a customer perspective.....when I was looking for my last two Yorkies, I did not even go look if they were not AKC registered. I am looking into possibly showing/breeding sometime in the future and they need to be AKC to participate in conformation at any AKC event. (CKC in all of the following is referring to Continental Kennel Club -- CKC when meaning Canadian Kennel Club is entirely different. ) I am sure there are very ethical and loving breeders that are using CKC registry but.... I think too many of the early CKC people were malcontents and short-cut takers who could not abide by AKC's rules for animal health and safety. I am glad to hear they have stopped the picture verification registration -- I have seen MANY mixed breeds that could "pass." But what about the next generation? I imagine that is how we get some of these cute dogs that look nothing like the Yorkie standard -- but their owners swear they are pure-breds. Unfortunately the CKC gene pool is FULL of these picture-verified dogs that go on to dilute the lines. Being AKC registered does not guarantee -- but at least this registry has put a lot of restrictions in place and does not easily allow registration of mixes. It is no coincidence that the puppymills are now steering away from AKC -- there are plenty of them that use CKC and APRI. Some puppy mills have even started their own registries. Some registries are little more than paper mills for puppy mills. Here is a good article on registries: http://www.wonderpuppy.net/kc.htm It also goes on to explain what to look for in a good registry and what to look out for in the not so good registries. If I was looking for a pet only, that I intended to spay or neuter -- and if I knew the breeder or was very aware of their reputation, then I might consider a CKC registered dog. But I would not send in the money to register the pup. I do not want to add money to an organization I believe was founded to support puppy mills. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

01-31-2007, 08:16 PM	#18
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	No, my pups have actually not been hard to sell because they were CKC...I have actually run into more people who are more concerned with "getting a small one" or a girl than they were registry. (Because apparently anything over 4 pounds is part horse, in case you didn't know. ) It just gets tiresome to feel like you either 1) have to defend yourself because you ARE a CKC breeder, or 2) ignoring it, which only allows the negative light being cast to remain. Kind of like that old 'rock and a hard place' saying...

01-31-2007, 09:12 PM	#19
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	(Because apparently anything over 4 pounds is part horse, in case you didn't know. ) Made me spit out my Mountain Dew.

02-01-2007, 05:37 AM	#20
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	HI Breny, When I first started raising yorkies, I just didnt put alot of thought into the importance of registry. So a few of my dogs are CKC. I am happy with them, and attached! But IMO it would be your best bet to go with all AKC. Im certainly not putting down CKC dogs because I have some. CKC limits you and some people do question you about the registry. At this time it just isnt as respected, maybe one day, with some of the rule adjustments it will be, but for now its not. Alot of people just dont care, they just want a nice pet, but some people do care alot even if just for a pet, so it might close some doors for one of your puppies to go to an excellent home based on registry alone. ANd what if you have one day the most beautiful show potential come out of your CKC mating. They cant be shown in the AKC shows. You might not have interest in showing, I m not either right now but if I decided to try one day and my best dog is CKC, I cant even consider them. Something to think about for your future program. Things Inever thought about until after the fact.