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CO_yorkie_momma · 10-25-2006, 11:14 AM

[QUOTE=Rae Rae]I understand now. A lot of times on forums someone will join in a situation like this, and just for that reason. That's why I said I could be wrong bc I wasnt positive you joined for that reason. I think the OP has posted before on this breeder though. Oh well, Welcome to YT![/QUOTE

Rae Rae,
Thank you for clearing that up. I am sure that happens in some cases. I assure you this is not the case with me. I have been reading these forums for a long time now and have learn many many helpful things. I never saw a reason to put a post on before until I cam across this one, My confusion is not about I luvdorkyyorkies post. I understand why she would be upset. She paid for dogs that werent what she paid for. I would be angry too. The confusing part is when two other people come on and say stay away from AJendas yorkies and give no explanation as to why they would say that. Several people have asked because they are also confused and these people have not given any reasoning for it. They label her as having nothing more than kenneled dogs and basically call her a liar. Those are pretty strong words. Something like that can totally destroy something that someone has taken years to build. It is my opinion, that if someone is going to assassinate someones character on a forum where there are potentially hundreds of thousands of readers then they should be backing it up with some pretty good facts. If I have missed something, then please fill me in as well as the other readers that are confused.

ajendas · 10-25-2006, 02:49 PM

Well, here's your chance to back up what you post.

My name is Jennifer Patti, and I've been wrongly accused and mistreated, and while some of you continue to post and jump on the bandwagon, NO ONE has emailed me directly or asked for any poster to back up what they posted.

PrettyYorkiePink - I think I know who you are, and if you'd like me to post your emails asking me for a puppy and where I refused to sell to sell to you, I will.

YorkieGeorge - please let me know what female you are referring to. If there is a problem, you never emailed me. Feel free to email me directly so we can discuss it.

As for other things posted:

1) Fonda is not my mother. Mary Lou is. Fonda and I are not related at all.

2) Kimberly, I read your story and am VERY sorry that you were wronged, but I don't know anything about this. Please do not confuse me with your friend or the broker.

3) Yes, I do have dogs that go back to Fonda's lines, and those dogs have strong lines behind them including Durrer's, Rothby, and Caraneal with several ROMs.

4) I started showing dogs when I was 4, I've been around longer and have probably finished more dogs than many of you. I have dogs with conformation, obedience, rally, and agility titles - two have been invited/gone to AKC Nationals. I go to class 3-4 nights a week. For anyone who thinks my dogs are not socialized, are crated, or overall not suitable as pets - feel free to ask me for references from judges, handlers, other happy owners of my dogs, and fellow breeders.

I don't need to justify myself, my mother, or my dogs to anyone who can't back up what they write. Unless one of you has a birth certificate that my mother was born to Fonda - STOP POSTING IT.

If anyone has proof that I was involved with what happened to Kimberly - POST IT or DROP IT.

If I refused to sell you a puppy, post WHY. If not, I will be glad to. If you purchased a puppy from me and have an issue, CONTACT ME. I stand behind my puppies, always have.

Anyhow, thank you for reading my post.

Jennifer

By the way, thank you Barb, Dani, and Donna for letting me know about this and letting others know about your pleasant experience with my dogs. I truly hope this has not affected you as it has me.

CO_yorkie_momma · 10-25-2006, 04:25 PM

Thank you Jen for coming on and defending yourself and clearing up alot of confusion here. I am glad to know that my initial impressions of you being a quality breeder were correct. I will assume from the hush that has came over this room that there was no truth to the comments that were being made about you since I asked for an explanation from these people yesterday and have still not received a response. I guess there is a valuable lesson to be learned here. Don't believe everything you read and find out the facts before you go crucifying people in a public forum. The damage is often irreparable. As Donna said in her post, Keep Up the Good Work Jen and Mary Lou. You are a good breeders that take pride in the lines you are producing and one of the few breeders out there that is willing to give someone a good start in their breeding program. Kudos to you and thanks again for clearing up alot of unanswered questions.

JCarlson2004 · 10-25-2006, 04:28 PM

How do we know this is really "Jennifer Patti" posting? I hate to be the voice of doubt but this is only the internet.

I would first believe a long standing seasoned YT member over someone with only 1 post -- perhaps that is why most YT'ers were skeptical. But that is just my personal opinion and thought on this matter. I personally think this thread should be closed and the matter should be handled privately. I wish all parties involved the best of luck in resolving this.

ehunney · 10-25-2006, 04:30 PM

I'm still confused

CO_yorkie_momma · 10-25-2006, 04:48 PM

I have no reason to believe it is anyone other than Jen defending herself like any reputable breeder would do that has nothing to hide. I agree with you that this should be handled in a private manner. That is how it should have been handled to begin with. Are you saying you would believe 2 people that have not even come on to back up their comments soley on the grounds that they are "seasoned" posters on this forum? I dont have a problem with someone that has a legimate gripe about someone to come on and tell us the facts about what personally happened to them. That is what I assumed this forum was for. I have read some very interesting things about some breeders on here and yes I agree, these people probably deserve to be shut down. I am saying this because the poster came on and gave facts as to what happened. Facts such as what they saw when they went to this persons kennel or house. Facts about what actually happened to them when dealing with this breeder. I appreciate getting these facts so I can steer clear of these breeders, as I am sure everyone appreciates it. But to just come on and say negative things and not give any basis for it is wrong and I dont think there is a person on this site that would appreciate it if someone did that to them. Thanks for hearing me out.

ButterflyYorkie · 10-25-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

How do we know this is really "Jennifer Patti" posting? I hate to be the voice of doubt but this is only the internet.

I would first believe a long standing seasoned YT member over someone with only 1 post -- perhaps that is why most YT'ers were skeptical. But that is just my personal opinion and thought on this matter. I personally think this thread should be closed and the matter should be handled privately. I wish all parties involved the best of luck in resolving this.

I agree with Jennifer. This thread should be closed and handled privately. I know nothing about any of this but hate to see things like this get out of hand when they should be dealt with privately among the parties involved.
I also wish to state... How do I know you are who you say you are? This could go for anyone. I feel that since she clearly stated her full name...well that is a brave move to make IF you are NOT that person with so many folks reading.

Best wishes to you all,

ajendas · 10-25-2006, 05:58 PM

Hey everyone
I just got back from another conformation class and I'm appreciative of the responses to my post.

JCarlson - I understand your concern and I'm sure your friends appreciate your loyalty. The reason I only have one thread is because I just found out about this post today. I felt I should come and correct what has been incorrectly stated. If you'd like to verify who I am, you can email me directly (when you click on my name, you can email) and you can also go to my webpage www.jendasyorkies.com and email me though there. The email addresses will match.

I'm not asking you to doubt your friends, but some pretty serious claims were made and none of them have been substantiated.

Anyone who wants to email me is more than welcome to, it's ajendas@aol.com

Thanks again
Jennifer

ehunney · 10-25-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

How do we know this is really "Jennifer Patti" posting? I hate to be the voice of doubt but this is only the internet.

I would first believe a long standing seasoned YT member over someone with only 1 post -- perhaps that is why most YT'ers were skeptical. But that is just my personal opinion and thought on this matter. I personally think this thread should be closed and the matter should be handled privately. I wish all parties involved the best of luck in resolving this.

I feel the exact same way.

JCarlson2004 · 10-26-2006, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I have no reason to believe it is anyone other than Jen defending herself like any reputable breeder would do that has nothing to hide. Are you saying you would believe 2 people that have not even come on to back up their comments soley on the grounds that they are "seasoned" posters on this forum?

You don't doubt Jennier Patti because you know her personally bought 2 dogs from her -- so you are loyal to her (which is understandable and commendable). I don't know her and most YT members don't know her. When one of our members complains about a problem, we all take it personally on his/her behalf. Most of us here at YT are friends beyond the computer. I can tell you that I personally have met and become friends with MANY YT members. We have regular meet-ups and doggie play dates. I have over 20 members telephone numbers and we talk on a regular basis -- not to mention personal e-mail addresses (outside of YT), so we're always chatting back and forth via e-mail. Also, a YT member who I had NEVER met in my life (who is now a very great friend of mine) flew all the way from California to New York to spend time with me when my mother passed away. In addition, many members on YT all got together and ordered a HUGE arrangement of very expensive flowers and had them delivered to the funeral parlor (it was one of the most beautiful floral arrangements there).

So yes, we here at YT are a family beyond the computer and if one of our "seasoned" long-standing members posts a problem, we would naturally believe her over someone we have never met or even heard of and especially someone with only a few posts. I am not at all trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to explain why we react the way we do when our friends post a terrible situation that they're going through. I hope I have not offended you with my post, as that was not my intention.

JCarlson2004 · 10-26-2006, 05:39 AM

Sorry I forgot to post one more thing ... if Kelly (luvdorkyyorkies) was misinformed and deceived by the broker and Jennifer Patti is truly innocent, I have no doubt that Kelly will contact her and apologize. We're not tyrannical ogres here. If someone makes a mistake, we're all mature enough to apologize.

We aren't out to ruin any innocent persons reputation. Mistakes do happen and if this is such a case, I'm sure all will be rectified. I wish everyone the best of luck in resolving this.

CO_yorkie_momma · 10-26-2006, 07:04 AM

JCarlson
Thank you for letting me know how you feel. I am sure all of the YT members here are very close and I think it is a very loving and caring thing they did for you when you were going thru tough times with your loss. I just wanted to say it was never Kelly's post that I had a problem with. She never mentioned Jen in any way. It was prettypuppypink and yorkiegeorge's posts that was my concern. Kelly has every right to be upset as I mentioned before. I am not trying to be argumentative either and I hope that isnt how I am coming across. My only point was that Kelly was talking about a completely different situation that she was going thru and I feel terrible for her for having to go thru it. No one should. These other two people for reasons still unknown to me threw in Jens name and started saying things about her that I felt were unfair just because she purchased dogs from Fonda. They just came on and said it and left. People asked them several times to explain and they still havent. It is not just Jen I would stand up for. I would do that for anyone who I didnt think was given a fair shake. Jen came on and explained herself and the issue should be put to rest. I wish the best for everone involved and wish Kelly the best with her little ones too.
Barb

lisatodd · 10-26-2006, 08:06 AM

So yes, we here at YT are a family beyond the computer and if one of our "seasoned" long-standing members posts a problem, we would naturally believe her over someone we have never met or even heard of and especially someone with only a few posts. I am not at all trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to explain why we react the way we do when our friends post a terrible situation that they're going through. I hope I have not offended you with my post, as that was not my intention.

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exactly ! we always talk about our experiences with breeders. good and bad

vainchick5 · 10-26-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

You don't doubt Jennier Patti because you know her personally bought 2 dogs from her -- so you are loyal to her (which is understandable and commendable). I don't know her and most YT members don't know her. When one of our members complains about a problem, we all take it personally on his/her behalf. Most of us here at YT are friends beyond the computer. I can tell you that I personally have met and become friends with MANY YT members. We have regular meet-ups and doggie play dates. I have over 20 members telephone numbers and we talk on a regular basis -- not to mention personal e-mail addresses (outside of YT), so we're always chatting back and forth via e-mail. Also, a YT member who I had NEVER met in my life (who is now a very great friend of mine) flew all the way from California to New York to spend time with me when my mother passed away. In addition, many members on YT all got together and ordered a HUGE arrangement of very expensive flowers and had them delivered to the funeral parlor (it was one of the most beautiful floral arrangements there).

So yes, we here at YT are a family beyond the computer and if one of our "seasoned" long-standing members posts a problem, we would naturally believe her over someone we have never met or even heard of and especially someone with only a few posts. I am not at all trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to explain why we react the way we do when our friends post a terrible situation that they're going through. I hope I have not offended you with my post, as that was not my intention.

WTG Jenny Penny, that was exactly what I was thinking. By the way, I'm in a NY state of mind

Are you coming to visit when you pick up Cali??

JCarlson2004 · 10-26-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by vainchick5

WTG Jenny Penny, that was exactly what I was thinking. By the way, I'm in a NY state of mind

Are you coming to visit when you pick up Cali??

I WISH I could -- Sam is pissed at me too for not seeing her. But I promise to come see you girls on my next VERY SOON visit. It's just that weekend will also be the 1 year anniversary of Katie and my mom's passing, so I wanted to go home the next day to be with my dad and grandma that weekend. But I REALLY want to come see you girls -- I want to meet Rob!! I'll bring Cali with me too so you can meet her!!

10-25-2006, 04:25 PM	#33
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	Thank you Jen Thank you Jen for coming on and defending yourself and clearing up alot of confusion here. I am glad to know that my initial impressions of you being a quality breeder were correct. I will assume from the hush that has came over this room that there was no truth to the comments that were being made about you since I asked for an explanation from these people yesterday and have still not received a response. I guess there is a valuable lesson to be learned here. Don't believe everything you read and find out the facts before you go crucifying people in a public forum. The damage is often irreparable. As Donna said in her post, Keep Up the Good Work Jen and Mary Lou. You are a good breeders that take pride in the lines you are producing and one of the few breeders out there that is willing to give someone a good start in their breeding program. Kudos to you and thanks again for clearing up alot of unanswered questions.

10-25-2006, 04:28 PM	#34
JCarlson2004 Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 8,287	How do we know this is really "Jennifer Patti" posting? I hate to be the voice of doubt but this is only the internet. I would first believe a long standing seasoned YT member over someone with only 1 post -- perhaps that is why most YT'ers were skeptical. But that is just my personal opinion and thought on this matter. I personally think this thread should be closed and the matter should be handled privately. I wish all parties involved the best of luck in resolving this. __________________ Mommy Loves Codie, Tia & Baby Cali RIP My Precious Katie - I Love You

10-25-2006, 04:30 PM	#35
ehunney Princess Bella Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: virginia Posts: 2,186	I'm still confused __________________ I miss you two more then words can express, but I still have hope that I'll find you and hold you again! Tucker and Teddy always say: "If I want it, it's mine and if I put it in my mouth, it's food."

10-26-2006, 05:39 AM	#41
JCarlson2004 Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 8,287	Sorry I forgot to post one more thing ... if Kelly (luvdorkyyorkies) was misinformed and deceived by the broker and Jennifer Patti is truly innocent, I have no doubt that Kelly will contact her and apologize. We're not tyrannical ogres here. If someone makes a mistake, we're all mature enough to apologize. We aren't out to ruin any innocent persons reputation. Mistakes do happen and if this is such a case, I'm sure all will be rectified. I wish everyone the best of luck in resolving this. __________________ Mommy Loves Codie, Tia & Baby Cali RIP My Precious Katie - I Love You

10-26-2006, 08:06 AM	#43
lisatodd Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va Posts: 4,460	So yes, we here at YT are a family beyond the computer and if one of our "seasoned" long-standing members posts a problem, we would naturally believe her over someone we have never met or even heard of and especially someone with only a few posts. I am not at all trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to explain why we react the way we do when our friends post a terrible situation that they're going through. I hope I have not offended you with my post, as that was not my intention. [/QUOTE] exactly ! we always talk about our experiences with breeders. good and bad __________________ lisa lisa and the cult jam yorkies

10-25-2006, 11:14 AM	#31
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	[QUOTE=Rae Rae]I understand now. A lot of times on forums someone will join in a situation like this, and just for that reason. That's why I said I could be wrong bc I wasnt positive you joined for that reason. I think the OP has posted before on this breeder though. Oh well, Welcome to YT![/QUOTE Rae Rae, Thank you for clearing that up. I am sure that happens in some cases. I assure you this is not the case with me. I have been reading these forums for a long time now and have learn many many helpful things. I never saw a reason to put a post on before until I cam across this one, My confusion is not about I luvdorkyyorkies post. I understand why she would be upset. She paid for dogs that werent what she paid for. I would be angry too. The confusing part is when two other people come on and say stay away from AJendas yorkies and give no explanation as to why they would say that. Several people have asked because they are also confused and these people have not given any reasoning for it. They label her as having nothing more than kenneled dogs and basically call her a liar. Those are pretty strong words. Something like that can totally destroy something that someone has taken years to build. It is my opinion, that if someone is going to assassinate someones character on a forum where there are potentially hundreds of thousands of readers then they should be backing it up with some pretty good facts. If I have missed something, then please fill me in as well as the other readers that are confused.

10-25-2006, 02:49 PM	#32
ajendas YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 4	Well, here's your chance to back up what you post. My name is Jennifer Patti, and I've been wrongly accused and mistreated, and while some of you continue to post and jump on the bandwagon, NO ONE has emailed me directly or asked for any poster to back up what they posted. PrettyYorkiePink - I think I know who you are, and if you'd like me to post your emails asking me for a puppy and where I refused to sell to sell to you, I will. YorkieGeorge - please let me know what female you are referring to. If there is a problem, you never emailed me. Feel free to email me directly so we can discuss it. As for other things posted: 1) Fonda is not my mother. Mary Lou is. Fonda and I are not related at all. 2) Kimberly, I read your story and am VERY sorry that you were wronged, but I don't know anything about this. Please do not confuse me with your friend or the broker. 3) Yes, I do have dogs that go back to Fonda's lines, and those dogs have strong lines behind them including Durrer's, Rothby, and Caraneal with several ROMs. 4) I started showing dogs when I was 4, I've been around longer and have probably finished more dogs than many of you. I have dogs with conformation, obedience, rally, and agility titles - two have been invited/gone to AKC Nationals. I go to class 3-4 nights a week. For anyone who thinks my dogs are not socialized, are crated, or overall not suitable as pets - feel free to ask me for references from judges, handlers, other happy owners of my dogs, and fellow breeders. I don't need to justify myself, my mother, or my dogs to anyone who can't back up what they write. Unless one of you has a birth certificate that my mother was born to Fonda - STOP POSTING IT. If anyone has proof that I was involved with what happened to Kimberly - POST IT or DROP IT. If I refused to sell you a puppy, post WHY. If not, I will be glad to. If you purchased a puppy from me and have an issue, CONTACT ME. I stand behind my puppies, always have. Anyhow, thank you for reading my post. Jennifer By the way, thank you Barb, Dani, and Donna for letting me know about this and letting others know about your pleasant experience with my dogs. I truly hope this has not affected you as it has me.

10-25-2006, 04:48 PM	#36
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	I have no reason to believe it is anyone other than Jen defending herself like any reputable breeder would do that has nothing to hide. I agree with you that this should be handled in a private manner. That is how it should have been handled to begin with. Are you saying you would believe 2 people that have not even come on to back up their comments soley on the grounds that they are "seasoned" posters on this forum? I dont have a problem with someone that has a legimate gripe about someone to come on and tell us the facts about what personally happened to them. That is what I assumed this forum was for. I have read some very interesting things about some breeders on here and yes I agree, these people probably deserve to be shut down. I am saying this because the poster came on and gave facts as to what happened. Facts such as what they saw when they went to this persons kennel or house. Facts about what actually happened to them when dealing with this breeder. I appreciate getting these facts so I can steer clear of these breeders, as I am sure everyone appreciates it. But to just come on and say negative things and not give any basis for it is wrong and I dont think there is a person on this site that would appreciate it if someone did that to them. Thanks for hearing me out.

10-25-2006, 05:58 PM	#38
ajendas YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 4	Hey everyone I just got back from another conformation class and I'm appreciative of the responses to my post. JCarlson - I understand your concern and I'm sure your friends appreciate your loyalty. The reason I only have one thread is because I just found out about this post today. I felt I should come and correct what has been incorrectly stated. If you'd like to verify who I am, you can email me directly (when you click on my name, you can email) and you can also go to my webpage www.jendasyorkies.com and email me though there. The email addresses will match. I'm not asking you to doubt your friends, but some pretty serious claims were made and none of them have been substantiated. Anyone who wants to email me is more than welcome to, it's ajendas@aol.com Thanks again Jennifer

10-26-2006, 07:04 AM	#42
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	JCarlson Thank you for letting me know how you feel. I am sure all of the YT members here are very close and I think it is a very loving and caring thing they did for you when you were going thru tough times with your loss. I just wanted to say it was never Kelly's post that I had a problem with. She never mentioned Jen in any way. It was prettypuppypink and yorkiegeorge's posts that was my concern. Kelly has every right to be upset as I mentioned before. I am not trying to be argumentative either and I hope that isnt how I am coming across. My only point was that Kelly was talking about a completely different situation that she was going thru and I feel terrible for her for having to go thru it. No one should. These other two people for reasons still unknown to me threw in Jens name and started saying things about her that I felt were unfair just because she purchased dogs from Fonda. They just came on and said it and left. People asked them several times to explain and they still havent. It is not just Jen I would stand up for. I would do that for anyone who I didnt think was given a fair shake. Jen came on and explained herself and the issue should be put to rest. I wish the best for everone involved and wish Kelly the best with her little ones too. Barb