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Lady of Yorkies · 09-30-2006, 04:43 PM

The problem:
I bred Autumn to Mr. Big. Nicky climbed out of the top of a cage and got her, too. Hmpf!

"Ok, I'll just DNA everybody and find out who belongs to who." I continued to breed Autumn to Mr. Big. Before she was out of heat my adult son let Nicky out and before I knew it he got her again! DAM_ it!

So I decided to just sell the puppies w/o papers. The parents, all 3 of them, are AKC.

The question:
I think I have heard of a registry that will register your puppies just because they are purebred. Does anyone know which registry I'm talking about?

I have read a little on APRI and I think it is them. They register puppies from 2 different breeds as purebred. I don't know if there would be a problem because of 2 fathers. Does anyone know anything about this?

I will go to their site and pose the question to them but I was hoping someone might have some experience with it.

Thanks, Sylvia

YorkieRose · 09-30-2006, 05:05 PM

Bite the bullet and let them go as purebred, but no papers...to me it would come across as you had no clue what you were doing if you offered papers and did not know the correct sire, even with a registry that did not require correct parentage.
Personally, if this happened to me, I would give them away with a small adoption fee, otherwise IMO it makes you look bad for the future. People tend to judge future behavior on past behavior.

Lady of Yorkies · 09-30-2006, 05:20 PM

Problem is that people are going to ask why, anyways. I guess I could find out about it from APRI and if the people want to register them, they can try. Sylvia

JeanieK · 09-30-2006, 05:52 PM

Or you could DNA them as you had originally planned. I wouldn't worry too much about what people think, as long as you are honest and don't try to pretend that you know who the father is.

Most people who buy for pets aren't concerned about the papers as long as the dog is purebred. Let them see both of the possible fathers.

topknot · 09-30-2006, 06:03 PM

I would DNA all the pups. It cost 35.00 each and this way you will know for sure. I heard one of my all breed club member talking about having to DNA all her pups, since she used artifical insemination (frozen seman) and a local stud. I asked her why she did both and the answer was that sometimes artifical doesn't work and this way she will have a better chance of getting pups.
T.

Lady of Yorkies · 09-30-2006, 06:30 PM

I haven't actually checked into it. I know it only costs $40 to DNA them but I don't know how much it costs to prove paternity. That I heard costs like $200 per puppy.

Sylvia

luvdorkyyorkies · 09-30-2006, 06:57 PM

I would go with Yorkieroses advice.

I have first hand experience with this, not by my behavior but by another breeders.
Its best to just cut your losses.

topknot · 10-01-2006, 12:43 AM

I would probably also just cut my loses and sell low or give awaywithout pqpers.
DNA is only 35.00 each if you prepay and 40 if you pay with sending in the sample. I know since I have DNA my dogs.
I am not sure about the 200.00 just going by what the other breeder stated at our meeting. She said 35.00 per pup and for sire and dam. Just call AKC and ask, then you will know more what to do.

T.

Wrenee4 · 10-01-2006, 06:02 AM

This is from the AKC site to register the puppies:
Multi-Sire Litters
Registration of Multi-Sire Litter $200 + fee for each litter
Registration of each Sired Litter $25.00+ $2.00 per puppy

I am sure you would also have to DNA each puppy too!

suz · 10-01-2006, 06:40 AM

I believe the registry you are asking about is the C.K.C. (Continental Kennel Club). I don' know much about them, just that they are an open registry and will register purebreds. They aren't as strict as the A.K.C.

I must tell you, your honesty is like a breath of fresh air!

When most of the things you hear about breeders is negitave, you come along and admit that 2 different sires bred your female.

I know it's probably a nightmare for you, but you being honest about it is one of the most positive things I've ever heard. I'm sure some people would just register them with the hope that nothing ever shows up as being wrong. Good luck with whichever way you decide to do it.
Suz

Lady of Yorkies · 10-01-2006, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suz

I believe the registry you are asking about is the C.K.C. (Continental Kennel Club). I don' know much about them, just that they are an open registry and will register purebreds. They aren't as strict as the A.K.C.

I must tell you, your honesty is like a breath of fresh air!

When most of the things you hear about breeders is negitave, you come along and admit that 2 different sires bred your female.

I know it's probably a nightmare for you, but you being honest about it is one of the most positive things I've ever heard. I'm sure some people would just register them with the hope that nothing ever shows up as being wrong. Good luck with whichever way you decide to do it.
Suz

LOL Thank you but you ought to hear the flack I'm receiving here at home. I live in Missouri, we moved here 4 years ago and didn't know this was a puppy mill state. I had never heard of anything on such a big scale. I do try to bend over backward to be honest, I just want people to be as fair to me as I try to be with them. That's the motto I try to live by. I know that's not the way of the world but it's who I am. This year is my first time selling puppies here and I'm not having much success. I had 8 puppies up for sale and sold the two oldest girls and that's it. Now I have 4, 6 week old babies and altho I have had some interest in them, none have deposits. I had really expected all the puppies to sell, I even have some who will be small and no takers. I am assuming it's because I don't have a reputation yet. I have lowered my prices and I may have to do it again. If I have to lower them much more I might as well put a sign out on the corner of the street. I am worried that everyone will want them for the Christmas rush and even tho I have a contract that gives me first refusal, and I plan on making a point of telling them verbally, I don't think people pay that part of the contract any attention. I am also worried that I won't have time to check everyone out the way I should to make sure my babies have good homes. I have a boy, going on 11 months, 3 boys 19 weeks, 2 boys 18 weeks and then the 4 babies, 3 boys and one girl. My prices range from $1500 for the ones who will be small to $600 for the oldest boy who at last weigh in was 7 1/2#.

BamaFan121s · 10-02-2006, 05:06 AM

I would recommend following YorkieRose's advice...either have them DNA'd, or let them go sans papers. CKC is in open registration now, but, per a CKC rep, they are going to discontinue that at the beginning of the year. Plus, the dog/pup has to be 6 months old before you can do an open registry, so you wouldn't be able to do it with them in any case. (Do you really plan to keep the whole litter until they are 6 months old anyway?)

Your honesty regarding the situation is great and a rare thing to come by, sadly and I completely understand that you would be concerned about how others may view you because of it. I would think that your being honest and upfront with anyone interested would be understood, at least I would hope so. I just wouldn't try to get papers just for the sake of having them. If you are going to hand papers over to someone with a pup, IMO, they deserve knowing as much about the pups lineage as possible, including the correct parents.

k9cuties · 10-03-2006, 09:44 AM

You can CKC your litter...... (not that I am recommending it) but, if you CKC register your adults, then you can apply for the litter application for the pups and then they can be sold with papers. Although, in most cases, people are looking for a good quality pet. To some people, the papers don't mean a whole lot. If you do not CKC register your adults, you could always print off the CKC applications and offer them with the pups when you sell them and let the new owners decide if they want to register the pup at the age of 6 months. Here is the link to check it out and then you can decide: http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...eRegistrations

Jan

BamaFan121s · 10-03-2006, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k9cuties

If you do not CKC register your adults, you could always print off the CKC applications and offer them with the pups when you sell them and let the new owners decide if they want to register the pup at the age of 6 months. Here is the link to check it out and then you can decide: http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...eRegistrations

CKC claims they will not be doing open registration after with the start of 2007, so this method wouldn't work as the pups wouldn't be old enought before the new year.

k9cuties · 10-03-2006, 11:11 AM

Okay..... so she/you would still have time to CKC the parents and then send in for litter registration after the pups are born......... Your parents would be dual registered then..

09-30-2006, 04:43 PM	#1
Lady of Yorkies YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,562	Hello! I have a question about registrations. The problem: I bred Autumn to Mr. Big. Nicky climbed out of the top of a cage and got her, too. Hmpf! "Ok, I'll just DNA everybody and find out who belongs to who." I continued to breed Autumn to Mr. Big. Before she was out of heat my adult son let Nicky out and before I knew it he got her again! DAM_ it! So I decided to just sell the puppies w/o papers. The parents, all 3 of them, are AKC. The question: I think I have heard of a registry that will register your puppies just because they are purebred. Does anyone know which registry I'm talking about? I have read a little on APRI and I think it is them. They register puppies from 2 different breeds as purebred. I don't know if there would be a problem because of 2 fathers. Does anyone know anything about this? I will go to their site and pose the question to them but I was hoping someone might have some experience with it. Thanks, Sylvia

09-30-2006, 05:05 PM	#2
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pups Bite the bullet and let them go as purebred, but no papers...to me it would come across as you had no clue what you were doing if you offered papers and did not know the correct sire, even with a registry that did not require correct parentage. Personally, if this happened to me, I would give them away with a small adoption fee, otherwise IMO it makes you look bad for the future. People tend to judge future behavior on past behavior.

10-01-2006, 06:02 AM	#9
Wrenee4 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,048	This is from the AKC site to register the puppies: Multi-Sire Litters Registration of Multi-Sire Litter $200 + fee for each litter Registration of each Sired Litter $25.00+ $2.00 per puppy I am sure you would also have to DNA each puppy too! __________________ ~Wendy~

10-01-2006, 06:40 AM	#10
suz Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 741	Thank You! I believe the registry you are asking about is the C.K.C. (Continental Kennel Club). I don' know much about them, just that they are an open registry and will register purebreds. They aren't as strict as the A.K.C. I must tell you, your honesty is like a breath of fresh air! When most of the things you hear about breeders is negitave, you come along and admit that 2 different sires bred your female. I know it's probably a nightmare for you, but you being honest about it is one of the most positive things I've ever heard. I'm sure some people would just register them with the hope that nothing ever shows up as being wrong. Good luck with whichever way you decide to do it. Suz __________________ Suz The more people I meet... The more I love my dogs!!!

10-03-2006, 09:44 AM	#13
k9cuties Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 19	CKC info You can CKC your litter...... (not that I am recommending it) but, if you CKC register your adults, then you can apply for the litter application for the pups and then they can be sold with papers. Although, in most cases, people are looking for a good quality pet. To some people, the papers don't mean a whole lot. If you do not CKC register your adults, you could always print off the CKC applications and offer them with the pups when you sell them and let the new owners decide if they want to register the pup at the age of 6 months. Here is the link to check it out and then you can decide: http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...eRegistrations Jan

09-30-2006, 05:20 PM	#3
Lady of Yorkies YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,562	Problem is that people are going to ask why, anyways. I guess I could find out about it from APRI and if the people want to register them, they can try. Sylvia

09-30-2006, 05:52 PM	#4
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	Or you could DNA them as you had originally planned. I wouldn't worry too much about what people think, as long as you are honest and don't try to pretend that you know who the father is. Most people who buy for pets aren't concerned about the papers as long as the dog is purebred. Let them see both of the possible fathers.

09-30-2006, 06:03 PM	#5
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	I would DNA all the pups. It cost 35.00 each and this way you will know for sure. I heard one of my all breed club member talking about having to DNA all her pups, since she used artifical insemination (frozen seman) and a local stud. I asked her why she did both and the answer was that sometimes artifical doesn't work and this way she will have a better chance of getting pups. T.

09-30-2006, 06:30 PM	#6
Lady of Yorkies YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,562	I haven't actually checked into it. I know it only costs $40 to DNA them but I don't know how much it costs to prove paternity. That I heard costs like $200 per puppy. Sylvia

09-30-2006, 06:57 PM	#7
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	I would go with Yorkieroses advice. I have first hand experience with this, not by my behavior but by another breeders. Its best to just cut your losses.

10-01-2006, 12:43 AM	#8
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	I would probably also just cut my loses and sell low or give awaywithout pqpers. DNA is only 35.00 each if you prepay and 40 if you pay with sending in the sample. I know since I have DNA my dogs. I am not sure about the 200.00 just going by what the other breeder stated at our meeting. She said 35.00 per pup and for sire and dam. Just call AKC and ask, then you will know more what to do. T.

10-02-2006, 05:06 AM	#12
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	I would recommend following YorkieRose's advice...either have them DNA'd, or let them go sans papers. CKC is in open registration now, but, per a CKC rep, they are going to discontinue that at the beginning of the year. Plus, the dog/pup has to be 6 months old before you can do an open registry, so you wouldn't be able to do it with them in any case. (Do you really plan to keep the whole litter until they are 6 months old anyway?) Your honesty regarding the situation is great and a rare thing to come by, sadly and I completely understand that you would be concerned about how others may view you because of it. I would think that your being honest and upfront with anyone interested would be understood, at least I would hope so. I just wouldn't try to get papers just for the sake of having them. If you are going to hand papers over to someone with a pup, IMO, they deserve knowing as much about the pups lineage as possible, including the correct parents.

10-03-2006, 11:11 AM	#15
k9cuties Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 19	Okay..... so she/you would still have time to CKC the parents and then send in for litter registration after the pups are born......... Your parents would be dual registered then..