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08-13-2006, 07:23 PM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere Pleasant
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| Show Prospects & Co-owning I would like to know from the "experienced veteran show breeders" what age a puppy should be to be considered as a show prospect? I would also like to know from the "experienced veteran show breeders" when you place a show potential puppy/adult do you co-own the dog? Thanks for your input! Yorkykisses |
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08-13-2006, 07:40 PM | #2 |
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| Hello. I have not been showing puppies at all (yet), so obviously I would not be considered a Veteran Handler or anything. However, I am taking steps toward the Show World. The breeder/handler wants me to go with her to a couple of shows, and get a feel for what it is all about. If I decide I want to show, then we will co-own a puppy. This is perfect for me, because since I am an amature, she will "mentor" me. Which I am happy about too! I believe she said 9-12 months, is the time frame when an experienced breeder/handler can tell if the puppy is show potential or not. I cannot wait to begin showing!! Thanks and good luck with your interests...
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08-13-2006, 07:55 PM | #3 |
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| You usually must co-own to get a show prospect/potenial, especially if you are a novice. Breeders just want to make sure you will show and try your best to finish their pup, as well as guide you in the right direction. Sometimes included with co-ownership - a puppy in return from breeding, plus what you already paid to purchase the show prospect. Once the dog is finished and if you owe a pup from breeding and that is over with - papers are signed over to you for full ownership. There is a lot involved and the breeder just wants to make sure the person is really going to show and try their best to finish the dog. Their is also grooming - do you know how to grow a show coat and make it look great? Topknot too! There is nothing so sad as to see one of your pups in the ring and the person has ruin their coat. You would be surprised what novices have done - let dog play in the yard, go to the groomers and cut trim off parts of the coat, etc... Then do they know how to handle themselves in the ring? Do they now that the dog's lead always go in the left hand adn dog walks on the left side, do they now the judges walk directions ("L" etc..), do they know how to show in the ring to the dog's potential. When do you walk in the ring? Show prospects - usually 4-6 months (prefer 6 IMO), show potential - around 9 months + Last edited by topknot; 08-13-2006 at 07:57 PM. |
08-13-2006, 07:58 PM | #4 | |
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Sorry I should have worded that better! I also would like the input of novice and people wanting to get into showing. Thanks and I wish you good luck! Please keep us updated and you are VERY lucky to have such a breeder that shows to mentor you! Yorkykisses | |
08-13-2006, 08:00 PM | #5 | |
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08-13-2006, 08:00 PM | #6 |
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| That's alright. I just wanted to make sure it was known that I haven't begun showing yet. Yes, I am excited!!! She is willing to mentor me, and I will appreciate every minute of it. It takes time, I am not rushing it, and I want to learn. It has been a goal of mine for a while. Hopefully it will become a passion of mine! Thanks again!
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08-13-2006, 08:08 PM | #8 |
Donating YT 14K Club Member | I do not want to take over your thread but this got me thinking about another question... breeder and buyer co-own a dog until it is finished. (Fine, understood). Owner breeds dog and relinquishes a pup (if stated in contract). Now it is said that then the dog will be signed fully over to the buyer/owner. BUUUT, shouldn't the original breeder have stipulations in their contract to protect their lines from outside breedings until the dog is past breeding age? Is this a common practice? Someone finishes a dog...fine and dandy...shouldn't something be in place to continue to protect that line from unwanted outside breedings? Shouldn't the original breeder still have say so as to who they can and cannot breed with?
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08-13-2006, 08:11 PM | #9 |
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| I am so sorry you were not mentored. Sometimes it is too hard if you are in a different state or too far away in driving miles. You really need to find someone close to you, so you can visit at their home and actually see how they groom and etc.. Also easier if you are closer and to answer those questions that pop up. Handling classes are usually up to you to sign up and attend. You can usually find classes through your local dog club. Is there a yorkie club near you? They are very helpful too - to make friends and have some help. I hope things go better for you this next time. Good luck. T. |
08-13-2006, 08:13 PM | #10 | |
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08-13-2006, 08:16 PM | #11 |
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| Sorry - you are right Kimberly. Also in the contract you must sell all future pet puppies on Limited Registrations. This is to protect the line. Thanks for reminding me Kimberly. Breeding to studs - after return pup - no stipulations. It is just figured that any stud you use with a champion female and all that money you put into it - you are going to match her up well. |
08-13-2006, 08:20 PM | #12 | |
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08-13-2006, 08:21 PM | #13 |
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| Forgot to add - all future pet quality pups are to be sold not only with Limited Registration, but also with spay/neuter contract. And yes, all this is done to protect the lines. Too much as happened in the past and have seen lines ruined in just one generation. T. |
08-13-2006, 09:11 PM | #14 | |
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My question is: What if they don't? Then what? What if they are not matching their female up well? I see alot of websites breeding a champion to a pet quality just for the moo-laa. I am not referring to anyone in paticular, but I have seen this happen in the past. I met a GREAT lady recently who has contributed much to the yorkie world. Being that neither of us knew one another prior and do not have alot of friends in common, we wondered how her Ch boy ended up so easily in a second gen in one of my 4 yr old baby's ped. (being that we had never met, or done business..but it worked out for the best in this situation and she was happy to see the line in my ped rather than in a byb hands) Last edited by ButterflyYorkie; 08-13-2006 at 09:14 PM. | |
08-13-2006, 09:25 PM | #15 | |
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__________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."!! Mone't Mom 2 Monte Last edited by PlatinumYorkies; 08-13-2006 at 09:27 PM. | |
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