Stud Service Newby!!!Help PLEASE!!!

[tink-n-kody]

Hi I have an 8 month yorkie male and was thinking about using him as a stud service he is AKC registered.I just dont know for sure if it is something I should do? What questions do I ask, does the female come to my house?I need help! does anyone have any advice??? He is 3 lbs what should I charge?? Amanda

[feminvstr]

A stud animal is a male of the species that, by merit of his genetic prepotency, has been proven able to consistently sire offspring of such high caliber they help alter the course of the species in a positive manner.

Every stud dog was once young and unproven. There is no way possible to know if the youngster will produce well unless he is test bred. But the young unproven dog is not a toy for the unsophisticated breeder to experiment with. He is for the seasoned breeder who knows the background of the youngster, to use. If the hobby breeder is only going to have one or two litters a year why shouldn’t he stack the odds in his own favor and breed to the dog he knows is producing the qualities needed?

The established breeder usually has firm ground on which to anticipate the producing potential of a young male and it would only be upon the recommendation of the experienced that any hobby breeder should attempt to use an "unproven" male. The fact that a dog can produce puppies proves only one thing to me--he's fertile.

[tink-n-kody]

Im sorry but the way I look at it, you didnt even come close to answering any of my questions. Which were simple questions anyway, you just wasted a lot of time typing that respnose which didnt even apply to my post! Were you just trying to sound totally educated about a fertile male???

[Mashi]

is he is just pet quality i would charge $200-300...ch lines 300-400......

Usually the male will go to the females house because the female will be more comfortable and more willing to let the male breed with her.

[YorkieRose]

Professional breeders require the bitch come to the studs home. The stud is the one who needs to feel comfortable in familar surroundings..the bitch really doesn't need to do much, the stud is performing the service. LOL

When offering a male at stud, he should be breed quality, proven to produce quality pups, vet certified to be healthy, AKC DNA certs. You must guarantee 2 to 3 breedings..actually see the ties. Price is determined by many things..your area, pedigree, quality, champion??
For what it is worth, I would never offer an unproven male at stud...why waste the bitch owners time.

[luvdorkyyorkies]

SOme people ask for pick of the litter in breeding, but thats pretty high considering most yorkies sell for 700.00 or above.
The pricing Mashi gave sounds pretty accurate in my location.
Yorkie rose is right though.........my stud at 8 m didnt know much, sure he went around humping every dog if one was in heat......but he was ineffective and I had to use another stud........he just now at 14 months can do the job but he is very experienced. Your dog may not be able to do the job yet, before you stud out you really need a trial run with your own female.....if you have one??? I wouldnt stud out my DUke at this point, the dog I used breeds on command and knows the ropes.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by tink-n-kody

Im sorry but the way I look at it, you didnt even come close to answering any of my questions. Which were simple questions anyway, you just wasted a lot of time typing that respnose which didnt even apply to my post! Were you just trying to sound totally educated about a fertile male???

No reason to be rude...breeding is not something to take lightly.
Sorry if you took my post the wrong way, but one doesnt decide over coffee to stud an animal because he is so cute, nor does a breeder casually consider breeding with an unestablished male.

Is your dog exceptional quality (within the Yorkshire Terrier Breed standard)
Does he have the correct coat, color, texture, eyes, topline, ear size, muzzle size, teeth, bite, compact body, temperment.
Does he bring certain quality that is lacking in a breeders current breeding program.
Is your dog health certified?
Is your dog registered with well respected registry ie:AKC
Is your dog DNA tested?
Is your past pedigree known to have any gentic defects?
Are their exceptional dogs (champions) within your dogs pedigree
From the litter your puppy was whelped was their any sibbling deaths?
What was the size of litter he was born into?

These are just some things a breeder would need to know

Pricing is really based on quality and the area you live. In Oregon an AKC champion line proven stud is about $400. Usually done in two breedings. The bitch is taken to the dog BTW and good stud will respond immediately, brought back two days later for another romp and your done!

[PinkMartini]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

For what it is worth, I would never offer an unproven male at stud...why waste the bitch owners time.

Just got a quick question... Is the normal practice of breeders to use their own stud on a bitch of their own to 'prove' him? I'm just wondering how a stud becomes 'proven'...

[Mashi]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Professional breeders require the bitch come to the studs home. The stud is the one who needs to feel comfortable in familar surroundings..the bitch really doesn't need to do much, the stud is performing the service.

I always thought that the male was brought to the female... Haha I though all males no matter what species didnt really care where just as long as they got it. haha I learn something new everyday. Thats why I leave the breeding to the pros.

[tink-n-kody]

I was just asking questions Im not even sure if I want to use him to breed, I just thought about it! For my location Yorkies go at a minimum of $1200 as of this time and the price is rising. You know so many of you on here are so critical, to so many people not just me about so many things. You cant just be nice and answer a question you have to be very critical. Does your dog have this! does your dog have that! You people act like you know everything about yorkies, like you are AKC representatives or something! My breeder has never been discouraging about raising Yorkies she thought it was great but she told me of the ups and downs of it too, and the many sleepless nights. Which reminds me of an ad that was on here previously of a woman that had lost her three puppies she was trying to raise because their mother died, so many people responded by giving their sympathy and their regards, but nobody started asking her questions like why did your female die? what did you do to her? as one of you responded to my ad did any of the puppies in my dogs litter die? so does that make him a worthless dog because maybe one of his brothers or sisters may have died??

[tink-n-kody]

I ran out of room. Another point I would like to make is about a Stud service again, Not one of you know it alls mentioned one thing about a VERY important thing, that if you knew as much as you thought you did you would have warned me about Bruscolisis! Or did you even know that dogs can get STD's. Wouldnt that be an important thing to tell someone that is interested in breeding, no you would just rather tell them that there is basically something wrong with their dog, instead of being encouraging! This site is not all its cracked up to be with so many unfriendly users maybe I will just look at pictures of yorkies and not waste my time getting advice from people that are already making MONEY off these dogs!

[chloeandj]

my you have quite the quick temper...
Just because he is 3 lbs doesn't mean he is a money maker. You were the one that mentioned money.

You were asking for advice if you should breed your dog or not. Feminvstr gave you her opinion and very good information to consider.
If I was needing a stud dog for my female would you be able to answer any of those questions in detail for me? Because I would sure be asking them. As far as the std's, for your dog's protection you would need to require every female be tested by their vet prior to the service.

[CC's]

I don't think anyone was going into great detail about everything on studs.

If you have a breeder you have been speaking to about breeding, they should be advising you on all these aspects. A message board will just hit some of the basics. There's to much to tell in a note.

As far as the orphaned pups, that reason was already stated. No questions were needed.

Now I need to go give my condolences on the loss.

[YorkieRose]

You have a breeder/mentor, surely they have given you the advise you need. Plus, they have no doubt sold you a top of the line stud, hopefully.

The reason I advise against using a stud for breeding is the marking issue...most pet owners will not put up with it. Neutering at 6 months all but stops this bad habit in most males.
Yes, you are correct the dog world is full of STD's and not just brucellosis.

AS to how to prove a male...most breeders use the male with their own bitch or a close friends, then offer at stud.
An unproven male's first stud service is free..that used to be common practice, or pay if it takes. Everyone has different fees.
A pet breeder here in Florida was telling me she charges $2500. A fair price for a quality stud, with tip top pedigree is $400/450...even the champions command little more with a professional breeder.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by tink-n-kody

Which reminds me of an ad that was on here previously of a woman that had lost her three puppies she was trying to raise because their mother died, so many people responded by giving their sympathy and their regards, but nobody started asking her questions like why did your female die? what did you do to her? as one of you responded to my ad did any of the puppies in my dogs litter die? so does that make him a worthless dog because maybe one of his brothers or sisters may have died??

I can't believe you judge our posts, your question simply posed how much can I make to stud? You see your dog as $ signs without knowing breeding facts. You question why you were NOT warned about common disease you state you have a mentor she should have informed you of the most general facts and most common disease! Breeding 101!

You believe we breeders are in it for the money, I find that amusing.

First think about what a breeder pays for a quality bitch and stud average $1,500 to $2500 each. These animals required excellent health care, several health tests prior to breeding which amounts to several hundred dollars in vet bills (health certificate & Brucellosis test for the stud and bitch, is about $80 each, OFA and CERF testing $200.00 each, bile acid test to screen for liver shunt $60.00 each. Ovulation testing $50 each test, 2-6 of these done during the bitches heat cycle) bitch pre and post natal care and vet cost, puppy health cost (tail docking, dewclaws removed) vet exams, vaccinations, health certifications.

Then consider some breeders show their bitch before breeding which means you can not breed your bitch until she is titled (usually will take about 2-3 years) One doesnt make money showing an animal as a matter of fact it's expensive, hiring a handler, the training, paying handlers and your travel expenses, entry fees.

Your show bitch has now reached 3 years old and it's not advised to breed beyond 6-7 years of age. So a breed might have 3 years worth of breeding. You breed her next season (cycle is any where from 8 months to 14 months)
You may have 3 litters out of her entire breed and show career. Average litter is 4 babies (providing they all live).

Then consider the price of birth complications, more vet bills, perhaps a c-section $600 average (never to breed again..your investment has been lost) ecampsia $500 resulting in bottle raising her litter or even worse the death of your bitch (as simple as a sac or worse yet a dead puppy inside, there is no D and C to clear the system for animals like adults)

Breeding is an art (for the staving artist) you always strive to breed the best health and intentions but even the very best will suffer heath issues and heartache. Bottomline the love and passion of the breed out weighs the COSTS!

PS...know before your post about someone elses heartache!
tinkertoyyorkie : from her original post......

"Got a call last night. Our vet gave a woman my name about helping her feed her orphaned yorkie babies. The mother dog died as a result of a retained pup which was caught too late."

Tinkertoyyorkie had come to the rescue upon a vets request to help these orphaned babies, it wasnt her bitch who died and this sometimes unfortunately happens. Tinker happen to have a bitch that was nursing....She unselfishly offered and the outcome was heart break!

old adage Nice begets Nice!