Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I got a call one time from a Yorkie breeder near me..she had a pup born with its brain on the outside of the skull. It was late, Emergancy wanted $330 to put this pup down...that was insane. I told her to leave it with the mom until morning..she called back, the mom would not stop licking the pups head and it was screaming. I told her to take the pup away from the mom..she called back again! Pup was crying and the mother could hear it no matter where she put it in the house, the mom was frantic..so I got out of bed and took her a pill...the next day she called her MD for a presciption of her own.

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I got a call one time from a Yorkie breeder near me..she had a pup born with its brain on the outside of the skull. It was late, Emergancy wanted $330 to put this pup down...that was insane. I told her to leave it with the mom until morning..she called back, the mom would not stop licking the pups head and it was screaming. I told her to take the pup away from the mom..she called back again! Pup was crying and the mother could hear it no matter where she put it in the house, the mom was frantic..so I got out of bed and took her a pill...the next day she called her MD for a presciption of her own.

Originally Posted by red98vett

Pat ...that WAS awful to read let alone see in person...and you ARE a great friend. That doesn't surprise me at all that you did that and I think you offered very valuable help to this thread...

Euthanasia is a hard thing to think about ....but your idea about having something on hand (Valuim) for cases like this really is the most humane way to deal with a suffering puppy. You probably will never know how many people will remember this thread and possibly be in this situation one day...this will stand out in their minds.

Originally Posted by JeanieK

That scenario is exactly the type of situation I was referring to. Now I know there is a way to stop the suffering, because the screaming would be more than I could deal with. Like I said, I'd use a hammer if I had to, but the valium sounds like a much better way.

Do Dr's just prescribe them if you ask? Could a vet prescribe them? I can't imagine just walking in and asking my Dr. for a prescription of valium to have on hand for my dogs.

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And!!! I'm not finished yet.

First the disclaimer.

This is not a put down to anyone who has asked a question, because they did not know the answer. This is for all those who do put down people for asking questions.

I have been criticized, called stupid and uneducated and cruel, by people who are totally ignorant of the hard cruel side of breeding, for repeating something that I read in a book, on breeding, and asking a question about it.

There are members out there who don't understand why a 16 week old puppy is smart enough to demand that they be played with, but yet are not smart enough to ask to be let out to potty.

My question was just as valid as those. And if you want my honest and true opinion on the whole freezing thing. I believe I would shoot it or hit it over the head with a hammer before I would allow it to lie screaming in pain, because if I were screaming in pain and there were no drugs available and no Dr's to be found, I would rather someone shoot me.

Of course I would take it to a vet if it were possible. But anything would be desirable to letting it scream. I'd probably not sleep afterwards, but I would be strong enough to do what I had to do to end the poor things suffering as quickly as possible.

This forum belongs to everyone, not a select few. The members on here with the largest number of posts are not the problem. It's the handful of people that come in with a know it all attitude, that think they need to be cruel and sarcastic to fit in with the "popular kids". Those are the ones that run off any newbie that poses a possible threat to their position. Well kids, we aren't in highschool anymore.

No wonder so many newbies leave. The bullies run them off.

Ok I've said my piece and will get down off of my soapbox. So go ahead and say what you wish. I'm not going away, and those of you who continue with you criticizing are just showing your own ignorance and mentality level.

Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I was seriously considering quitting the forum, until I realized that I would be playing right into their hands.

And thanks to all of you who defended my right to ask a question.

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

I was supportive of your question until this point. A hammer?! So, you really think that would be less painful? Sorry, as a wildlife rehabber for over 30 years, that is just too inhumane.

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Personally, if I were to breed, I'd make the necessary arrangements to prevent such a last resort scenario, including any additional costs of having "someone" on call without necessarily needing their services.

This thread makes me very sad......

Originally Posted by Tashasmom

For the love of pete cut Jeanie some slack here.. I don't think she meant she'd ACTUALLY slam a hammer over a pups head..she is figure of speaching it. If I"m correct she is saying anything is better than watching a pup scream in pain dying a slow painful death.
I lived next door to a lady that her little nephew actually put her bunny in the microwave and turned it on. The little boy didn't know what he was doing cause he was only 2 or 3 I think. Anyway she comes running over to my house screaming with this bunny with it's insides boiling. What did I do. I ran outside with the bunny and swung it. I didn't like doing it. I cried doing it. But something had to be done and quickly. What jeanie is asking is what methods can be used to euthanize a puppy if that puppy can't be taken to a vet? She is asking BREEDERS that know what to do. Just think if she hadn't came on here and asked this question..she would of thought that putting the pup in a freezer is a proper method..the vet did it so why shouldn't she. But jeanie wasn't so sure that was the right thing to do (it wasn't sitting right with her) so she did what any of us would do..she came on here to ask "hey is that whats done or is there another way?"
Jeanie I think you had a legit question. I feel bad for you that were treated so badly for asking. But keep in mind that not all of us on here are like that. There are alot of us on here that would gladly answer questions without judging or criticizing. I hope you got some answers.. :)

Originally Posted by chachi

She said she would take a hammer to its head in her post. I think it is extremely inapropriate on a dog fanciers forum to say that. Especially when she saw the reaction to putting the puppy in the freezer. I think the people who have gotten upset have good reason to be.

Originally Posted by vainchick5

"And if you want my honest and true opinion on the whole freezing thing. I believe I would shoot it or hit it over the head with a hammer before I would allow it to lie screaming in pain" Is what she said in post 113. I highly doubt it was just an expression. I may not be a breeder, but I am human and realize that is very cruel. I have no idea why she is being so strongly defended. If I came on here and said "By the way how do you all feel about me splitting my dogs head in half with a hammer because I feel like she's suffering" I would get linched out of YT. But someone comes on here and basically says the same thing and she gets commended and defended. I don't get it :confused: People on YT have gone up in arms when someone has come on here talking about their yorkie being too big, or that they are frustrated because their puppy is peeing everywhere and it got spanked, but we get a question like this and suddenly "WE COMMEND YOU FOR STANDING UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN AND ASKING WHAT YOU WANT"????

Originally Posted by vainchick5

"And if you want my honest and true opinion on the whole freezing thing. I believe I would shoot it or hit it over the head with a hammer before I would allow it to lie screaming in pain" Is what she said in post 113. I highly doubt it was just an expression. I may not be a breeder, but I am human and realize that is very cruel. I have no idea why she is being so strongly defended. If I came on here and said "By the way how do you all feel about me splitting my dogs head in half with a hammer because I feel like she's suffering" I would get linched out of YT. But someone comes on here and basically says the same thing and she gets commended and defended. I don't get it :confused: People on YT have gone up in arms when someone has come on here talking about their yorkie being too big, or that they are frustrated because their puppy is peeing everywhere and it got spanked, but we get a question like this and suddenly "WE COMMEND YOU FOR STANDING UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN AND ASKING WHAT YOU WANT"????

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I think this thread has long lived past its usefullness. I applauded the original poster because I think the thread got some breeders thinking about this issue and YorkieRose gave some great advise.

While I think everyone has the right to an opinion sometimes we don't need to post them as all it does is cause further flames.

I do not agree with using a hammer. :(

I also realize many breeders have to make some difficult decisions with life and death.

Originally Posted by Hannah

Right VC5! Where is administration now? This is perfect example of how someone who is clearly being abusive gets away with it! Send a message to one of the administrators and ask why.

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

This is an interesting thread. Not the subject, but the response.

If it was a legitimate question the original poster could have asked about euthanizing puppies without giving a horrifying example. By giving that example it implies she is considering it. If she would have given several examples (from her reading) then maybe we wouldn't have all taken it so literally.

Now the tide has turned and anyone that was offended is apologizing. Very odd. The apology should come from the original poster for inciting controversy with an insensitive post.

Yes, there are things about breeding that are hurtful to puppy owners but there are mature ways to discuss things without trying to be disgusting.

All she had to do was ask breeders how they handle euthanizing sick puppies. A couple breeders that have run into this would have given her humane choices and the discussion would have ended.

If one doesn't intentionally "bait" then one needs to learn what that means before posting.