"Well "everyone" seems to brag about CH in the background when selling puppies because it makes them worth something. It doesnt matter how far back they are or if there is only one. To say that someone has produced a show quality Yorkie and just doesn't want to show it just doesn't make sense, if that same person is bragging about the pedigree that was earned by someone else.

Personally, those that don't want to spend the extra time and money involved on showing a quality puppy they've produced is not spending the time and money needed to run the best breeding program they can. Now I'm not saying show every puppy you produce, but IF you produce something that's 'ring worthy' for lack of a better term."


BINGO!
How is it possible to have a good breeding program w/o the proper tools to guide it? Vet's advice and guidance? (well, that makes for healthy reproduction and delivery, but nothing more) To produce healthy, sound puppies that not only resembles a Yorkie, but goes one step further and FITS the Yorkie by definition you need so much more.

Irene~You know I respect you, but IMO, this statement is absurd. This would include me. I have no problem spending any amount of money needed to do what I think is best for our program...including the pretty penny I am sure I am about to fork out to prove it other places. But the idea that I don't spend the time and money needed to run the best breeding program that I can is ridiculous. :( Please, if your travels every bring you close to me, drop by and I would be happy to convince you otherwise.
(I am not saying that what you say doesn't apply to anyone at all, but I certainly don't feel it applies to me.) :(

Alas, I am wearing myself out over and over again saying the same thing, as are you guys. I'm just going to leave it alone now because it is really frustrating trying to reason with a group of people who insist on acting as if those who do not follow their lead with their programs are inferior. Good luck in the ring you guys. Hope you guys make all the wonderful friends you can....the rest of us are obviously not good enough to be given the time of day by someone who "shows."
BTW...you are really "showing" alot here.

ilk...
 

"...but when you have 10 or 20 dogs competing with equal "total" packages, bottom line, it boils down to a beauty contest."


Yeah, okay but only in the sense that Mrs. Universe has a set peramiter that she must adhere too and toss in strict muscle tone and conformation to boot.
Just because there are more dogs in the ring doesn't mean the judge is going to put up the most beautiful (that's too opinionated). He has to look at the factual. And how does he/she place the top 4 or 5? With over 20 dogs in the ring? Number 1-adheres closest to the standard; Number 2-adheres to standard, but his movement is slightly choppy; Number 3-adheres beautifully to the standard and would've been first, but doesn't have an attitude the day of the show becoming of a Yorkie (remember they view the whole package); Number 4-adheres to the standard but upon coming and going is considered to be out at the elbows.; Number 5-adheres to the standard and while he has the best coat of the bunch is lacking conditioning on the frame (a dog to watch in future rings).

Just an idea. I understand what you're saying and just agree to disagree. I would see (if interested) about getting back ringside and watching in person again just what takes place. Really take a good look at a sizeable class and you'll see what my example demonstrates. While some people find that to be stupid, those are the people no one wants to mentor.

holy cow
 

what is the war over this time i want to join lmao ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ah hah ha ha hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Misty,

So if you produced a show quality puppy you would not want to show? I find that hard to believe. I better not ever see you in the ring or I wont' let you live it down..lolol.

Of course if you don't have somethign show quality then you don't show it. The pups are few and far between. Foster may never finish as a CH. I bet he won't but darn it he's closer than my other pups have been thus far.

It may be 10 15 years that I'll have something else..

And I think that a lot of people on here would say that you are to opinionated if I misspelled that sorry I am not a dictionary.
This started out as a question not a war so why not end it now.

Now Juanita, why end 128 posts of blood-pressure raising fun! We can get our exercise without getting out of our chairs (blowing hot air).

later
 

ok now it is getting funny . lol.

Oh, I do see your point in your aspect of wanting to enter him. Right now, no, I don't have a show quality pup. (Actually, right now, we don't have any pups...cept Kasey.) Course, I have not had many litters to chose from, now have I? That's what we're working towards, just like you have been doing. I don't really know what my motivations may be when we get there. But, say we had one born tomorrow...I don't feel it would be absolutely neccessary to put it in the ring to complete his being "quality." Right now, I honestly don't have the time...money is not an issue, but time is. Much like yourself, I have an outside job. (Plus a 5 year old.) Could I pay to have some help like you? Yes, but that is not my desire. We have both done what we feel is best. Might showing be an option in the future for me? Yes, but right now, I am very comfortable where we are and the direction we are moving.

I don't know, I guess it is just the way you look at it. I have 6 people waiting for pups. I am comfortable with them having them...they'll be in good homes. I am not going to be disappointed if they go to loving homes rather than a ring. I do not feel the need to "prove" anything or "impress" others. I don't know. I enjoy shows, but I just have no desire to pursue that right now. Although Agility on the other hand...that's another story...

It never ending with some! :rolleyes:

I'm opinionated AND educated! Sorry you only saw one side. I thought I was conversing w/ like minded individuals.

*grr*

:thumbs up


:yorkietal

I don't know who accused you of being uneducated...sorry if you thought that was me...far from it. Just very different in opinoins.

So my post wasn't directed at you. I'm sorry you felt that it was. When I get on my missions to change the world of dog breeding I think of puppyfind and the pages and pages of Yorkie puppies being produced for money.

Yes, we can agree to disagree, for lack of a better term. It's not that I disagree with what you've said, I simply have a different take on it.
<To say that someone has produced a show quality Yorkie and just doesn't want to show it just doesn't make sense, if that same person is bragging about the pedigree that was earned by someone else.>
It may not make sense to you, but it's an individuals choice, for whatever reason. But in the same breath now you add, if that same person is bragging about the pedigree. Now, that's a whole different ball game and changes your point completely. My question now is, are you saying it only makes sense not to show if the person is bragging about something they didn't earn? Then is it OK for a show breeder to brag about their champions line if they were not the ones who earned those titles by the predecessors? Just food for thought!

I'm talking in general: If I had a ring worthy yorkie, and I'm not saying I do or I don't, I would do what was needed and show him, if that's what I wanted to do. But, if I choose not to show him, that's my choice because of A) don't have the extra time required to prepare for the ring; B) don't have the money required to follow the ring circuit; C) don't care for the politics; and or D) it's none of your business why I choose to or not to show. What I'm saying is that it is an individuals choice. It doesn't have to make sense.