I have never shown a dog in my life - and I doubt, even though I have owned a lot of purebreds, that any of them would have done well in any show. And - I never plan to show any dog in the future. But - it is a wonderful hobby for many dog lovers.

Most of the judges in the larger more important shows have raised, bred, and shown one or more breeds of dogs for many years. These judges are very educated and knowledgable about the breeds they judge. You show people correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you have to be certified to judge different breeds, and most judges start out judging a breed and then go on to become certified to judge the Best of Class, and finally after years of experience and certification, they can judge the Best of Show. Being able to judge The Best of Show in a dog show like the Westminster is something very few people are qualified to do. And, it is always done by a person (usually a middle-aged or older person) who has spent the better part of their life working with animals in the ring.

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IksDolls -- QUOTING YOU -- Yorkies were originally breed to be ratters. It's in their nature but show me when a "ring judge" has ever considered that.----------------------------

I am sure that most judges are well aware of the history of most breeds and certainly are familiar with the history of the breeds that they judge. In fact, I have heard the narrators say that the judges keep in mind the temperment, nature, and personality of every breed they judge. They not only expect the dog being judged to possess the personality and temperment that should be found in that breed, but also allow for it --- meaning that when the little Bichon jumps and plays and wins the hearts of the audience, this should be seen as his nature, and should not give him an edge over a more aloof, quiet, less demonstrative breed such as the Russian Wolfhound - who also is expected to be true to his nature.

I agree with you that the show ring is somewhat of a "beauty contest." But, I, for one, absolutely love to see those outstanding animals that are so true to the standards of their own breed. They are the "most beautiful" to me.

And - you're right, being able to purchase, own, and show dogs is expensive.
But, many other hobbies or things that people love to do are just as or more expensive. We can't fault people for this.

"Bragging rights" --- I'd brag too if I had a little champion show dog. I already brag about my little guy. Imagine what I'd be like if he went out and actually won a show - or even a race for that matter. I'm proud of him if he pees on his pee pad - For sure, people having beautiful show dogs takes none of the joy and pleasure I get from having my little pup. But - I certainly give people who show their dogs credit for their accomplishments too.

I find it hard to think that people who show their dogs look down on me or my pet in any way. I'm sure most of them would enjoy any little pup that was put in their lap.

Carol Jean

I havent' read all of the posts yet, but I did want to add that showing is the best way to measure your breeding program and what you produce. If you truly want to breed to the standard, the best way to make sure you are on target is to show what you've produced IMHO.

Fine I'll show my dog. Come one and come all to my house tonight. I'll be the dog handler my daughter Jessica will be the judge and the rest of my family will be the audience. I will let you know who wins best in show.
Will it be our tiny lil Tasha with her baby doll face and calm dispostion or will it be Jersey with her teddy bear face and spunky attitude.
Oh how I can't wait.

Please read dear poster-
 

"Well, my open mouth-insert foot disease is kicking in again. A better statement would be Show Quality Yorkies. Quality is in the eyes of the beholder. I produce (manufacture) dolls, I raise Yorkies, not by a politically reviewed Judges standard in a beauty contest, but rather by temperament, social skills, playful, loving and healthy, true characteristics and allowing them to be real dogs, not caged animals. Yorkies were originally breed to be ratters. It's in their nature but show me when a "ring judge" has ever considered that. The show ring is nothing more than a social standing beauty contest, period, and a political one at that. Rings were created for bragging rights by rich folk so they can charge more for "what they produce." And just because "they produce" offspring from a Show Quality Yorkie, does not mean that you will get a Show Quality Yorkie Pup, or even a quality pup, if that's what you want. I'm sure there are some who purchase a Yorkie that they think would make it in any ring even if they have no intensions of showing because they can afford it and can brag about how much it cost them. I'm not trying to offend anyone but I'm getting the impression from several posts that there is a definite social standing superiority among us. JMO "

I understand where you are coming from and know that your view point is shared by many.
HOWEVER-this opinion is one that is developed by people that have NEVER put a dog in the ring (conformation or otherwise) OR have tried conformation once, felt they had a superior Yorkie and bombed in that class and blamed it on having a terrible judge. Well one of two things is the case: either you were simply wrong and your Yorkie really didn't fit the standard regardless of your opinion-maybe you don't have the right "eye" for the breed and need to learn more. OR that judge was just not a good judge (maybe he/she was having a bad day and took it out on the dogs in the ring) and didn't do the AKC Conformation sport justice. Either way, that is why I say that you need to show your dogs under multiple judges (in WHATEVER sport you choose) in order to have a EDUCATED OPINION that you develop YOURSELF because you have "been there, done that" YOURSELF and not go off of what other people say or just what you see on tv.
I agree that there are some shi**y judges out there, but the standard and those judges are there for a reason and MANY of them ARE NOT persuaded by politics and really do their job quite well. Do you even know what it now takes to become an AKC judge? Go look that up. This whole "AKC is nothing but politics BULL$HIT" is a thing of the past when the standard for judges wasn't as high as it is today. For whatever reason, that steriotype still exists today, just like wolves are viscious and will go out of their way to eat your children. Times have changed. Get out to the ring a few times and you'll see what I mean!

rediculous
 

I am not sorry for saying this :I do not need to put china or callie in a ring to know that they are the best. As long as they are the best to me I do not care what anyone else thinks.
A yorkie is a yorkie and if you ask me there is not one yorkie that is better then the rest exept to the owners. I am sure we all love our yorkies and I think that , that is all that matters TENDER LOVE AND CARE makes the best Yorkies to me. :)

dskeeter...
 

I'm sorry that you feel that way. I'm steriotyping you by saying this, but what I said above still applies. I understand that your thoughts of not putting your dog in the ring are and I don't even know if you breed your dogs. With the assumption that you do and w/ what limited thoughts you just posted, your reasons for thinking "Yorkies are Yorkies" if FAR from being the truth. If I've ever heard an ignorant statement, you just took the taco!

This thread was not intended to bash. I actually believe the original intention of this thread was lost many posts back and turned into a more intellectual one, but I needed to reply to what you typed.

All I can say is you are so very very far from the truth. The are most certainly purebred Yorkies and the distinquishing factor are "well bred" Yorkies.
Not all purebred Yorkies are good Yorkies, but instead may be good dogs. However all well bred Yorkies are good Yorkies. HUGE difference. And I'm not talking about "Mulitple Ch. background this and that"! That MAY increase your odds of having a well bred dog, but a well bred dog to me moreover should be a dog that genetically has been paired up properly so that they fit the standard, have great health and a super YORKIE temperment!
My Little Nemo is the BEST (biased opinion-even though many ring side viewers agree) Yorkie I'v ever met and have the pleasure of being his "big sister" (he belongs to my folks back home) and ever though he is a pure bred Yorkie and the BEST Yorkie of all time, I will never hesitate to state that he is NOT well bred. He does not completely fit the standard set to reinforce the benefit for continuing the breed in a postive way; he does have excellent health and TIGHT little joints and posesses that SUPER temperment that we all love and then some! So, he's purebred all right, but not well bred.

Just because you love your dogs and think they're the best doesn't mean your right or that they should reproduce. That's where we see the most numbers of falling apart Yorkies come from. And again: Just because Brad Pit and Jennifer Aniston have kids doesn't mean that they will all come out models or movie stars. It just significantly increases the odds!

Would you want to own an etheopian child knowing it may be riddled w/ unknown/unvisible health problems that may take him/her at a young age from you? or a Pit child that is most likely going to live to maturity and have a long/healthy life ahead of it-and maybe fabulous looks to boot, which is what the populous would've thought a Pit baby would be??? (you know what I mean by this!-my heart pours to those etheopian babies, and I thought about removing this insensitive question, but have decided to leave it up.)

I am not a breeder . far from it.
 

YOU yourself said that this thread was not ment to bash , Well I am sorry I think that my yorkie's are the best to me but that is exactly how I feel and no matter what you say you will not change my mind . I am sorry that you think your dogs my dogs and whoever elses dogs need to be show quality to be any good. I love my dogs and I have not had any problems with them and and that is exactly how it is going to say.
And no I do not breed my dogs I saved China's life and she isnt even my dog I own callie a 2 week old puppy and if you think I bred her then there is somthing wrong with you. I am not a breeder and that is because I have no idea of anything when it comes to that sort of thing. And I am sure that your yorkies are the best to you but that dont meen you should breed your dogs either , I dont know you And I have never seen your dogs but by your judgementle attitude I can already tell you pups wouldnt be worth anything to me. I am not a judgemenle person but when it comes to standing up for myself and what I beleive I am going to do it.
I am sorry that you think I am the most wrong person because of what I had posted but I am not changing my mind , and for that I think that you are wrong


goodbye. :) :) :) :)

And I never went against what you said cause if I would have then I would have qouted you and I did read your post in here and ididnt agree or disagree to what you said I simply sated my opinion.

to irene
 

IRENE

I agree with you when it comes to breeding . but I love my dogs as pets I dont breed and I am sure you are good at what you do.

So Yorkiek9trainer are you saying your little Nemo should not have been bred because he is not well bred. Some of us would never have a Yorkie if we were to wait for the ultimate Yorkie. I know when I was looking for a Yorkie we were being quoted $3000 for a Yorkie. There are some nice breeders (registered and hobby) that sell Yorkies for a very reasonable price. Some of these Yorkies have lived to they are 15 years old with no health problems. If these breeders were not around some people would never have the pleasure of owning a Yorkie. When I was looking for our Yorkie one reputable breeder said she would sell me a little female for $2000 but I couldn't have it until it was 5 months of age and spayed. So she was going to deprive us of a very important development time with the puppy. We can't all afford the ultimate Yorkie and I think that is where the hobby breeder comes in.

Ok..guys, I've gotta step in and try to make the peace here :D

Nobody is wrong for feeling what they feel. I think we all know that but sometimes forget when we feel passionate about something.

The original poster wanted to know why breeders breed. I'm sure my post rolled some eyes :rolleyes: but I answered the question. I'm not saying all breeders should post here. Even the non-breeders should post why they would breed. There is no right or wrong answer. Let's just continue sharing our points of view.

Group hug :)
Irene

I don't get you. YOu say you don't intend to bash but all you do is criticize. I would appreciate and welcome your opinion if you would do it in a more mature manner. What makes you think you know more than the rest of us anyway? I have respect for those that know how to respect in return. YOu obviously haven't been taught this so therefore I don't respect your opinion nor do I care to hear it. Leave the opinions up to those that are mature enough to give it. Thank you. Miss trainer.

dskeeter. Us that know u on here know that you saved china's life. I'm glad we're friends you are a wonderful person. Don't let her bother you. Like I tell my kids it doesn't matter what insignificant people think about you. It matters what you think about you and what those you love think about you.

One last thing..no one showed up to my doggy show lol

I just love YorkieTalk! It's very addicting. I've dealt with people from all walks of life and have felt equally comfortable dealing with a CEO one on one without feeling they were superior to me, to not looking down on those who don't know where their next dime is coming and making them feel comfortable being around me. Simply put, I've been able to get along and feel comfortable with almost everyone I've ever met.

I have enjoyed the subject and respect the views of most on both sides. One thing I've tried to follow is not say anything here that I wouldn't say face to face. You can learn much here about a person by what and how they say it. With that said, you do your thing and I'll do mine and hopefully never the twain shall meet. Have a nice day! :)

lksdolls..I agree with you. You said that perfectly. Wish others had your tact.

yeah
 

I couldnt of said it better myself. lol