A show breeder is not a TYPE of breeder, it is what some breeders DO with the dogs they have. A true "living room breeder"may save you money on your original purchase but you could lose money in the long run if you buy from someone who doesn't make health and quality their priority. If they make those things a priority, they are NOT living room breeders or BYB, they are hobby breeders. Hobby breeders have some nice dogs for very fair prices.

http://www.shilohshepherds.com/puppy...erMatrixv4.htm

I take it your Yorkies are show dogs? I do know what a show dog is LOL I'm blonde, but c'mon hehehehe
I bet some very good Yorkies have come from living room breeders! My Kloey is one of them, You don't have to pay $1500 -$3000 to get a healthy dog, I'm sure there has been cases where show dogs have had problems with health issues.

Tashasmom---
 

No, you don't HAVE TO show to feel you are knowledgeable about the breed in order TO breed. The importance of showing under a judge (in ANY sport: Conformation; Obedience; Agility...even if you had a Yorkie that was a demo dog for Schutzhund!) is that you are relying on the JUDGES to let you know and the spectators know that YOU do in fact know your stuff because you are ready to present that in front of the "world" and multiple judges. THEY are the authority figure to let you know that your feeling of being knowledgeable and ready to breed are valid. You may produce what you think is correct is type and is healthy, but everyone has their own "type" and fits the standard loosely at best but is quite healthy.
So, by showing in any sport under MULTIPLE judges, you are just proving to those around you; yourself; and perspective buyers that you do indeed know what your doing and can prove it. That's what the standard was handed to judges for and multiple sports created. Conformation isn't for everyone and I ABSOLUTELY agree that you can show off what you know and are capable of benefiting the breed by showing in a sport more to your liking. These are terriers and they're supposed to be diverse. They're toys second!!

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Didn't mean to imply that you don't know what a show dog is. My post stated that there isn't such a thing as a "show breeder"


As the link shows the catagory of breeders include everything from BYB, puppymills, commerical, hobby and reputable experienced breeders. All of them could show if they wanted to.

And yes, even dogs that have been shown (and won) could have health issues. Judges can't tell what is going on under a coat.

But the best place to get a pup is from someone that has researched and knows their dog and their lines. That person can be doing this out of their living room, they can show the dogs or not.

Anything can happen but I was willing to pay for experience and wisdom so I paid a lot for my pet quality dog.

Where does one go to get more information on their dogs pedigree. All I have are the names of the dam and sire?

Can you get that information from the AKC, or do I need to go back to the breeder?

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"Judges can't tell what is going on under a coat."

A good judge can! They're few and far between, but I've seen a judge move a dog back or even excuse it for having a sore on the shoulder under all that hair. A good judge will really give each dog a GOOD once over before even asking it to move for him.
(the bigger the class, the hotter/colder the temp. the less inclined many judges are to do their job well. Get to know who the "good" judges are and make sure you show under them at least once!)

ps, not all judges are bad, but they're all human. That's why it's important to get in the ring(s) more than once before beginning a breeding program yourself-if for nothing else but for yourself. For the experience of an "expert" to tell you that you've got a good eye and are more than capable of encouraging progress within the breed.

You can order the pedigree papers form AKC.
All you need is your furbabies AKC number and you can get The Three Generation AKC- Certified Pedigree. It's around $20.00, very worth having.
I do not Breed, but I do have all my furbabies generation papers. :)

We could go back and forth all day long on this. I agree with some of what you are saying and some I do not. I respect you for backing up what you beleive in just as I ask for respect for backing up what I beleive.
I'm not going to be so close minded to say you will never change my mind about showing..cause I could. I just know that it is of no importance to me what a Judge thinks of my dogs. What is important to me is that I know I am producing quality pups..and it's important to me that the people that purchase pups from me feel the same.
I have nothing more to say on this matter. I come here to learn and to help those that need it. I hope to make a few friends along the way..

TashasMom

QUOTING YOU -- If I've offended i'm sorry but i've been offended every single time I hear someone say if your not a show dog breeder then your nothing but a backyard breeder.
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Has anyone really ever said this? I don't think any of us feel this way.

I do think that most serious breeders do their very best (rightfully so) to produce the highest standard, best puppies they can. And, are delighted when some of their puppies are show quality and do well in that area.

But - high quality show dogs (of any breed) are few and far between and more often than not - the best breeders end up with few high quality show dogs and many more wonderful pet quality little pups. But, believe me, even the pet quality pups that come from serious, knowledgeable, experienced breeders are a step above what many people produce.

I, personally, don't want a show quality puppy. First of all - I can't afford to pay for a puppy of that quality, and second (even more importantly), I wouldn't show it or breed it, and I think this would be unfortunate. So - because I only want a pet - a pet quality Yorkie is the right dog for me. With that being said, I am still entitled to a little pup that is a good representative of the Yorkie breed.

I think my little pup is a great looking little Yorkie - he's very handsome, and I am totally happy with him - but I am fast learning that he is going to be a couple pounds larger than many Yorkis are........ fun fun!! Nevertheless, I am positive that no one will every say, "Are you sure that's a Yorkie." He's a Yorkie all the way through!!

Carol Jean

Snow wa..I respect your wisdom. You seem to know alot about alot of things. It's not just me that feels this way. I'm not the only one on here that said I was offended.
And yes it is said all over this site and every other site. If you are a good breeder than you will show your dogs. If you'd like I will search the web and put up post after post that confirms this.
Either way Carol I think you are one of the sweetest on here and I"ve learned alot from you. I hope I don't upset you by this post and I hope to have future conversations with you.
One more thing. I'm not so much offended as unnerved by it. I don't know these people so therefore it can't actually hurt me.

"Quality pups" / Quality Yorkies...
 

"We could go back and forth all day long on this. I agree with some of what you are saying and some I do not. I respect you for backing up what you beleive in just as I ask for respect for backing up what I beleive.
I'm not going to be so close minded to say you will never change my mind about showing..cause I could. I just know that it is of no importance to me what a Judge thinks of my dogs. What is important to me is that I know I am producing quality pups..and it's important to me that the people that purchase pups from me feel the same.
I have nothing more to say on this matter. I come here to learn and to help those that need it. I hope to make a few friends along the way.."

I hope you aren't talking to me? If so, my only arguement would be (and I do respect your opinions, I just don't need to like it. And because of that, I should probably keep my mouth shut! ...will do.)
Closing words:
You may be producing quality pups...just not quality Yorkies.

:number1ri - if you call yourself a breeder and an ethical one that is producing not just quality pups, but quality Yorkies, you should be able to make it to a ring-any ring (that's why they were created) at least once or twice to say truely that you are producing QUALITY YORKIES. If not, then all you are most likely producing are just like you said, "quality pups".

At least your honest...and that speaks volumes.
If you do breed and don't already hate me! Let me know, I've got people that will be looking for good puppies in about a year.

Now thats just not even a nice thing to say..you don't know a thing about my pups or me for that matter..
Either way. Before this post I liked you and after this post I will still like you..I can forgive any mean statement once.

All I can say is -- "Oh, for heaven's sake!!!!!"

I think some of us are taking this forum way tooooooooo seriously. And - are too afraid of getting our feelings hurt or are afraid of offending someone else!!!!

We are not solving the world's problems here. We are just hopping aboard to give our two-cents worth on different subjects....even though, at times, they are only worth a penny - right? I'm sure at times, mine might be worth less than that. (In fact, I'm positive they are - people have told me so.)

I definitely am not "the sweetest person in the world." And, no one ever has to worry about offending me. If I know anything - it is that you are as entitled to your opinions every bit as much as I am to mine.

And, please don't let any of my rambling ever offend any of you. Please feel free to get back on and tell me to go fly a kite!

There are certain topics that are always controversial...and always will be. And, this is certainly is one of them. I am sure that those of us who have been on YT for a while have seen many topics ranted and raved about over and over again.

My advise is (and I certainly hope everyone agrees) -- if you have an opinion about something - don't worry about getting your feelings hurt - and don't worry about offending anyone - just hop aboard and say what you think!!!!! And, if anything bothers you or offends you - just skip it - and going onto something different and more interesting. I have done this many times myself.


Carol Jean

well for the love of pete..my feelings weren't hurt i was trying to be funny. I guess it's one of those post that needed to be heard not read..
Anyway..your right..this is silly.