Breeding an ACA??? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Crystal28 · 02-28-2006, 09:52 AM

Hello,
I have been doing some research on breeding Yorkies, because I am considering breeding my Molly when she is 2 yrs old. All the info that I have found has been about AKC Yorkies and how they need to be the best of the breed and need to have certain qualities to be apart of the AKC club. My Molly is an ACA, does that mean that there is a difference in qualities that the ACA looks for that are different then what the AKC look for in Yorkies?

Also I just want everyone to know that my Molly is only 3 months old so I am gonna be doing research on breeding Yorkies until she is 2 yrs old then I will decide if i'm gonna breed her or not. This is not something that I am gonna take lightly, I would never do something that could harm or kill my baby Molly.
I am trying to be a good parent.

Crystal

BamaFan121s · 02-28-2006, 10:22 AM

No difference in qualities/breed characteristics, just registration.
The AKC sets the standard, the others just kind of fall in line and accepts them I guess you could say.

angelbaby's mom · 02-28-2006, 10:43 AM

I have an ACA female, too. I also have an AKC female. Just different registries. AKC is more well-known, but they are both reputable registries. Some like one better than the other, but those are just opinions.

sylvan · 02-28-2006, 11:12 AM

The big problem with the alternate registry is the question of where did the dog come from...what can you find out about the health history of her pedigree back several generations? Many genetic problems (like liver shunt) are a recessive trait and though your dog may not have it, she may carry the recessive trait and pass it on in the pups.

YorkieRini · 02-28-2006, 11:26 AM

I thought I'd go and look at their website and see what they have to offer. Well not many links work on that website. I was impressed at first to see they track health records. I dug a little further, and came across this list of places to buy puppies registered with the ACA:
http://www.acacanines.com/pupoh.htm
Here is the homepage:
www.acacanines.com

That right that tells me this is NOT a reputable registry. Besides, they don't even have shows or trials, the link is dead.

I would suggest not breeding the puppy you have.

Crystal28 · 02-28-2006, 11:55 AM

Can I ask why you suggest that I not breed my dog?

Crystal

YorkieRini · 02-28-2006, 12:01 PM

I speak of only my opinion but if the registry refers people to buy from members and the members listed pet shops (I only check the state of OH by the say) I would be concered as to what is behind the lines. Your puppy may be fine, but what she may produce is something to also consider. Did you contact her breeder to discuss the lines and that you are considering breeding her? You may want to do that.

Best wishes.

BamaFan121s · 02-28-2006, 12:03 PM

[QUOTE=Crystal28]Can I ask why you suggest that I not breed my dog?/QUOTE]

I think maybe because they promote buying from pet stores...no breeders on that list, just pet stores.

Crystal28 · 02-28-2006, 12:10 PM

I requested a form from the ACA to find the health history on my puppy. I want to find that out before I do breed her. I have a lot to consider before I make my decision. Thanks for your replys, not many people will answer the questions I ask, especially when it comes to breeding. Guess that is a delicate topic (LOL)

Crystal

Crystal28 · 02-28-2006, 12:15 PM

I went to a pet store in the mall lastnight, man that was bad. Those poor dogs stuck in small cages. I asked how much they wanted for a yorkie that was 2 yrs old and they said $2,000 and that did not include the dog being seen by a vet. They couldn't promise the dog was healthy, they said it was. I think they should close pet stores or make things better.

Crystal

BamaFan121s · 02-28-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal28

I requested a form from the ACA to find the health history on my puppy. I want to find that out before I do breed her. I have a lot to consider before I make my decision. Thanks for your replys, not many people will answer the questions I ask, especially when it comes to breeding. Guess that is a delicate topic (LOL)

Lol...if there's one thing you won't have a problem with around here, it's getting an answer to your questions. Now getting the answers you want on the other hand...
Just remember, it IS important to know the health history of you dog before breeding. But, it is EQUALLY important to know the health history of your pups parents, their parents, etc. Your pup may carry a trait that did not show up this time around, but my skip a generation and show up in the offspring. If you can find out this information and educate yourself on the breeding process, you are headed in the right direction.

shyorkies · 02-28-2006, 06:58 PM

I personally have not seen an AKC registered yorkie or any other breed in the pet stores near me.. Most are ACA, APR, CKC, etc.. Alot of the puppies from these registeries are from puppy mills and they supply pet stores.. These particular breeders do not care what are in the pedigrees of their dogs to begin with they are just throwing two dogs together for a litter of puppies.. They also do not have to abide by the strict requirements and record keeping that AKC registered dog breeders do.. I know of a lady that purchased a female puppy awhile back and brought her into work to be examined.. The puppy was sold only as a pet with no papers.. The owner went ahead and registered the puppy with CKC so that she can breed her anyway and that way the puppies will at least have some kind of registration papers.. This owner has NO idea what lines are in the puppy and what genetic problems may been bred into this puppy..

I would do what Irene suggested and try to contact the breeder to see if they can provide some information on the bloodlines and parents from which your little girl came from.. If the breeder cannot supply you with any info, I would suggest not breeding her also..

AmandaG · 02-28-2006, 07:00 PM

What pet store was that?

shyorkies · 02-28-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AmandaG

What pet store was that?

In Indianapolis and Lafayette we have Pass Pet Stores.. In my town we have two privately owned pet stores and they are Pocket Pet and Critter Corner.. Alot of their puppies come from an Amish Breeder from Southern Indiana and they are a puppy mill.. They have a dog auction once year and auction off their old and sick breeders.. MAKES ME ABSOLUTELY SICK! I love my dogs and I cannot imagine the suffering that a puppy mill puppy or dog goes through!

annaschaben · 03-07-2006, 11:46 AM

This is a heads up to anyone purchasing a pup from anywhere. Just because they have a paper stating something it doesn't mean it is true.

I've heard of breeders that will purchase an AKC bitch just to have the papers. Then registar pups out of another bitch (w/o papers or not as good of papers) under the AKC bitch. Or say that they have two bitches that welp at about the same time they will registar all of the pups as the pups of the one with the better papers, and when you go to look at the puppies, you see the nice looking dog that they want you to see. Or they make have a really nice Akc Bitch with really impressive paper that dies, so they run down to the pet shop or puppy mill or any where else an get a really crappy dog with bad breeding and just substatute her for the AKC dog. No one would ever know the difference unless there was a good reason to DNA test the pups.

A lot of people out there sell there dogs with limited registration; however, that doesn't mean that the new owners won't breed that dog under a different AKC dogs papers.

There are a lot of really crappy people out there just trying to steal your money. I will never purchase a puppy from anyone (again) that doesn't screen who they are selling the puppies to.

02-28-2006, 09:52 AM	#1
Crystal28 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lancaster PA Posts: 168	Breeding an ACA??? Hello, I have been doing some research on breeding Yorkies, because I am considering breeding my Molly when she is 2 yrs old. All the info that I have found has been about AKC Yorkies and how they need to be the best of the breed and need to have certain qualities to be apart of the AKC club. My Molly is an ACA, does that mean that there is a difference in qualities that the ACA looks for that are different then what the AKC look for in Yorkies? Also I just want everyone to know that my Molly is only 3 months old so I am gonna be doing research on breeding Yorkies until she is 2 yrs old then I will decide if i'm gonna breed her or not. This is not something that I am gonna take lightly, I would never do something that could harm or kill my baby Molly. I am trying to be a good parent. Crystal

02-28-2006, 11:12 AM	#4
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	The big problem with the alternate registry is the question of where did the dog come from...what can you find out about the health history of her pedigree back several generations? Many genetic problems (like liver shunt) are a recessive trait and though your dog may not have it, she may carry the recessive trait and pass it on in the pups. __________________ Stacy and the crew

02-28-2006, 07:00 PM	#13
AmandaG Delilah's Momma Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,406	What pet store was that? __________________ Delilah loves Boss! Macey 12/18/04-12/05/05

03-07-2006, 11:46 AM	#15
annaschaben YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 532	This is a heads up to anyone purchasing a pup from anywhere. Just because they have a paper stating something it doesn't mean it is true. I've heard of breeders that will purchase an AKC bitch just to have the papers. Then registar pups out of another bitch (w/o papers or not as good of papers) under the AKC bitch. Or say that they have two bitches that welp at about the same time they will registar all of the pups as the pups of the one with the better papers, and when you go to look at the puppies, you see the nice looking dog that they want you to see. Or they make have a really nice Akc Bitch with really impressive paper that dies, so they run down to the pet shop or puppy mill or any where else an get a really crappy dog with bad breeding and just substatute her for the AKC dog. No one would ever know the difference unless there was a good reason to DNA test the pups. A lot of people out there sell there dogs with limited registration; however, that doesn't mean that the new owners won't breed that dog under a different AKC dogs papers. There are a lot of really crappy people out there just trying to steal your money. I will never purchase a puppy from anyone (again) that doesn't screen who they are selling the puppies to. __________________ Anna & Roxy

02-28-2006, 10:22 AM	#2
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	No difference in qualities/breed characteristics, just registration. The AKC sets the standard, the others just kind of fall in line and accepts them I guess you could say.

02-28-2006, 10:43 AM	#3
angelbaby's mom YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: OK, but Texas soon! Posts: 326	I have an ACA female, too. I also have an AKC female. Just different registries. AKC is more well-known, but they are both reputable registries. Some like one better than the other, but those are just opinions.

02-28-2006, 11:26 AM	#5
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	I thought I'd go and look at their website and see what they have to offer. Well not many links work on that website. I was impressed at first to see they track health records. I dug a little further, and came across this list of places to buy puppies registered with the ACA: http://www.acacanines.com/pupoh.htm Here is the homepage: www.acacanines.com That right that tells me this is NOT a reputable registry. Besides, they don't even have shows or trials, the link is dead. I would suggest not breeding the puppy you have.

02-28-2006, 11:55 AM	#6
Crystal28 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lancaster PA Posts: 168	Can I ask why you suggest that I not breed my dog? Crystal

02-28-2006, 12:01 PM	#7
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	I speak of only my opinion but if the registry refers people to buy from members and the members listed pet shops (I only check the state of OH by the say) I would be concered as to what is behind the lines. Your puppy may be fine, but what she may produce is something to also consider. Did you contact her breeder to discuss the lines and that you are considering breeding her? You may want to do that. Best wishes.

02-28-2006, 12:03 PM	#8
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	[QUOTE=Crystal28]Can I ask why you suggest that I not breed my dog?/QUOTE] I think maybe because they promote buying from pet stores...no breeders on that list, just pet stores.

02-28-2006, 12:10 PM	#9
Crystal28 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lancaster PA Posts: 168	I requested a form from the ACA to find the health history on my puppy. I want to find that out before I do breed her. I have a lot to consider before I make my decision. Thanks for your replys, not many people will answer the questions I ask, especially when it comes to breeding. Guess that is a delicate topic (LOL) Crystal

02-28-2006, 12:15 PM	#10
Crystal28 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lancaster PA Posts: 168	I went to a pet store in the mall lastnight, man that was bad. Those poor dogs stuck in small cages. I asked how much they wanted for a yorkie that was 2 yrs old and they said $2,000 and that did not include the dog being seen by a vet. They couldn't promise the dog was healthy, they said it was. I think they should close pet stores or make things better. Crystal

02-28-2006, 06:58 PM	#12
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	I personally have not seen an AKC registered yorkie or any other breed in the pet stores near me.. Most are ACA, APR, CKC, etc.. Alot of the puppies from these registeries are from puppy mills and they supply pet stores.. These particular breeders do not care what are in the pedigrees of their dogs to begin with they are just throwing two dogs together for a litter of puppies.. They also do not have to abide by the strict requirements and record keeping that AKC registered dog breeders do.. I know of a lady that purchased a female puppy awhile back and brought her into work to be examined.. The puppy was sold only as a pet with no papers.. The owner went ahead and registered the puppy with CKC so that she can breed her anyway and that way the puppies will at least have some kind of registration papers.. This owner has NO idea what lines are in the puppy and what genetic problems may been bred into this puppy.. I would do what Irene suggested and try to contact the breeder to see if they can provide some information on the bloodlines and parents from which your little girl came from.. If the breeder cannot supply you with any info, I would suggest not breeding her also..