Breeding an ACA???

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by annaschaben

This is a heads up to anyone purchasing a pup from anywhere. Just because they have a paper stating something it doesn't mean it is true.

I've heard of breeders that will purchase an AKC bitch just to have the papers. Then registar pups out of another bitch (w/o papers or not as good of papers) under the AKC bitch. Or say that they have two bitches that welp at about the same time they will registar all of the pups as the pups of the one with the better papers, and when you go to look at the puppies, you see the nice looking dog that they want you to see. Or they make have a really nice Akc Bitch with really impressive paper that dies, so they run down to the pet shop or puppy mill or any where else an get a really crappy dog with bad breeding and just substatute her for the AKC dog. No one would ever know the difference unless there was a good reason to DNA test the pups.

A lot of people out there sell there dogs with limited registration; however, that doesn't mean that the new owners won't breed that dog under a different AKC dogs papers.

There are a lot of really crappy people out there just trying to steal your money. I will never purchase a puppy from anyone (again) that doesn't screen who they are selling the puppies to.

I do NOT doubt that any of this is true! But AKC is doing alot more of DNA testing on litters when they are doing their inspections! So hopefully sooner than later they will get caught!

I had a lady call me awhile back looking for a yorkie.. She went on to tell me that she had went to a breeders home in Michigan to look at a litter of puppies and the breeder told her that sometimes if she has more than one litter she will put the litters together and is not 100% positive that the right AKC papers are leaving with the proper puppy.. I do not understand this! How difficult is it to put ID bands on the puppies to know which mama they belong to? But than again alot of breeders breed only for the money!

[sylvan]

I never band pups or need to. When you handle them repeatedly throughout the day for every day of their lives they are easy to tell apart. Each one is unique, even the twinsey sorta ones have differences that you can find if you look closely. I see yarn tied around pup necks and just get the shivers thinking about the choking hazard. Yikes...no way.

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by sylvan

I never band pups or need to. When you handle them repeatedly throughout the day for every day of their lives they are easy to tell apart. Each one is unique, even the twinsey sorta ones have differences that you can find if you look closely. I see yarn tied around pup necks and just get the shivers thinking about the choking hazard. Yikes...no way.

I have a friend that uses fingernail polish (a dot on the belly) to mark her puppies as far as the ID from which mama the pup is from.. If you have more than one litter in your home and AKC inspects you at this time you have to have them ID.. Even if the puppies are still seperated they still have to be ID..

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by shyorkies

I have a friend that uses fingernail polish (a dot on the belly) to mark her puppies as far as the ID from which mama the pup is from.. If you have more than one litter in your home and AKC inspects you at this time you have to have them ID.. Even if the puppies are still seperated they still have to be ID..

So, would AKC be okay with the nail polish mark or do they specifically want a band?

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

So, would AKC be okay with the nail polish mark or do they specifically want a band?

I believe that it was the first of last year and AKC started inspecting kennels outside the US.. I belong to a group of mostly all show breeders and one of the show breeders is from Puerto Rico and she was inspected.. Her puppies were also ID with nail polish and she passed her inspection.. She uses a different color of polish for each mama, same as my friend does..

[txshopper73]

AH! Well, I'd feel better about the nail polish...a little to afraid of strangulation with the bands. Now, I've seen people tie a piece of yarn around a leg and I guess that works for the smaller ones but as they get larger and play more, they really shouldn't have it.

[smmrpm]

Originally Posted by sylvan

I never band pups or need to. When you handle them repeatedly throughout the day for every day of their lives they are easy to tell apart. Each one is unique, even the twinsey sorta ones have differences that you can find if you look closely. I see yarn tied around pup necks and just get the shivers thinking about the choking hazard. Yikes...no way.

I know people ask me all the time when I show them pictures how I tell them apart and all I have to do is look at their faces!! It really is like identical twins or other multiples - you are in contact with them and learn their differences and personalities!! You know your puppies.

[BamaFan121s]

annaschaben~
You have brought up what I think is a very good point and one I have tried to explain here before. I have seen so many times people refer to any registry other than the AKC as "not worth the paper its written on." My feelings are that you have to consider more so the breeder than the piece of paper. ANY breeder dealing with ANY registry can falsify the information. Though it may be true that AKC inforces more scrutinizing investigations and penalties, it doesn't mean people don't do it anyway. It's a matter of if they are caught. For example, I would think it safe to say that 9 times out of 10, when I am driving in my car, I am probably going faster that the speed limit...the law, the rule. But I am not penalized unless stopped and ticketed. Doesn't mean I'm not doing it anyway, just that I'm not getting caught.

[yorkiemom1970]

Originally Posted by shyorkies

I have a friend that uses fingernail polish (a dot on the belly) to mark her puppies as far as the ID from which mama the pup is from.. If you have more than one litter in your home and AKC inspects you at this time you have to have them ID.. Even if the puppies are still seperated they still have to be ID..

I have always known who is who. So many people have asked me how I know this for sure. I just do. I handle them so much and they are all unique in some way. I am also an old nail polish user, lol, I have dabbed polish on puppies before to assure someone that they are getting the puppy they chose. Now, I am confused about something....I thought I knew it all about akc inspections, but are you saying Melanie that each individual puppy must be identified along with the parents? Let's say I have a newborn litter and I have them in a playpen in their box, and I have my index card tied to the outside of the playpen stating number of males, females, date of mating, date of whelp, mother and father's info...is this not enough? I want to make sure I'm on top of things here...

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

annaschaben~
You have brought up what I think is a very good point and one I have tried to explain here before. I have seen so many times people refer to any registry other than the AKC as "not worth the paper its written on." My feelings are that you have to consider more so the breeder than the piece of paper. ANY breeder dealing with ANY registry can falsify the information. Though it may be true that AKC inforces more scrutinizing investigations and penalties, it doesn't mean people don't do it anyway. It's a matter of if they are caught. For example, I would think it safe to say that 9 times out of 10, when I am driving in my car, I am probably going faster that the speed limit...the law, the rule. But I am not penalized unless stopped and ticketed. Doesn't mean I'm not doing it anyway, just that I'm not getting caught.

Very true...I have ACA and AKC.
And, I too get so tired of hearing people say.. any registry other than AKC is worthless. It depends on the breeder and the dog.
There is good and bad in all registries.

[angelbaby's mom]

I received a 5-generation pedigree for my ACA girl (from the breeder when I purchased her). I did not receive this for my AKC pup.

For what it's worth. . . .

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by shyorkies

I have a friend that uses fingernail polish (a dot on the belly) to mark her puppies as far as the ID from which mama the pup is from.. If you have more than one litter in your home and AKC inspects you at this time you have to have them ID.. Even if the puppies are still seperated they still have to be ID..

Melanie do you happen to have the link from AKC outlining inspection requirements?

[whispersmom2]

None of my friends who are breeders use ACA as a registry. In this area most of those reg with that registry, have come from a pet shop or a commercial breeder rather than from a reputable local breeder...
I am not saying anything against your dog, but unless I knew the breeder I would not consider breeding.
If the paperwork were not correct then the 5 gen pedigree would not be of any benefit. At least with AKC, the sire can be DNA tested in any case where parentage is in question..

[yorkiemom1970]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Melanie do you happen to have the link from AKC outlining inspection requirements?

I've looked all over that website for a link that goes into detail about inspections. I can't find anything other than basic stuff. My first mentor (who is an older lady, no computer) has been inspected 2 times and she stated to me that every time she was inspected she didn't happen to have puppies so she could not answer my question about having pups individually identified. (I just asked her today as this got my curiosity up) Hopefully Melanie will be able to tell me a little more when she reads this thread.

[shyorkies]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Melanie do you happen to have the link from AKC outlining inspection requirements?

Kimberly I was inspected myself 1 1/2 years ago.. I lucky knew everything I needed to be able to do things the way AKC requires them to be done.. I was told that only about 20% of first time inspections pass.. I did pass my first inspection.. I was given a user's guide that day by the inspector "Russel Dowell" and it is called "A User's Guide To The AKC Rules For Record Keeping And Identification".. You maybe able to contact AKC and have them send you a copy of the User's Guide..