Breeders what do you think?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I have seen 6 pound females who should not be bred. Why? because they have 2-3 pounds of fat on a 3-4 pound size frame. A good mentor can judge very well, whether or not your bitch should be bred.
How level is the topline? How wide is her pelvis? And we all know about the knees, hips, heart, head and skull, bite,, etc.
I know this will thread will be another one of those that we will have to agree to disagree on and the discussions by experienced, long-time breeders, novices and pet owners who never bred will go on. Because one person uses a RS and most of us do not, will not change. My vet can handle every problem or situation I have with breeding and I will continue to use them. I guess it depends on how much confidence you have in your vet and your vet has in you to make the right choices before breeding your pet or breed-quality bitch..JMHO

Very well said! I am not an incredibly experienced breeder, IMO, when compared to some of you veterans here, therefor, I try not to act like my knowledge is complete. I am glad the newbies (myself included) are blessed with some with years and years of experience to help us as we go.

[BamaFan121s]

Wow, thanks Kimberly...that is all very helpful. It's almost like a checklist!

[YorkieRini]

Kim, you vet sounds very well versed and knows who to contact if need be. That's just as good as a RS IMO.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Irene and Rini are two of the most well respected breeders on this forum. I would trust either of them and consider them to have the highest standards when it comes to their respective breeding programs. This is a perfect example of the fact that you can have different programs and ways of doing things and no one is wrong or better than another per se.

Rini has many many years of exprience and a medical background as well as a vet she trusts implicitly under any circumstances ( proablby because she has trained him well over the years...lol...) while Irene is fairly new to breeding but is intelligent and knows the value of the fact that her regualr vet just happens to be a RS.

In the situation of advising this OP and possibly first time breeder, I felt no qualms about advising her of the existence and possibility of seeking out an RS for the added protection one may offer her little girl in making the decision as to whether to breed her or not. Will she get good advie from the vet she currently uses?? Maybe, but what would be harm to asking for a referral to a specialist? Yorkies are difficult to breed and have more problems than other breeds so why not use every available resource to reduce that extra risk?

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Wow, thanks Kimberly...that is all very helpful. It's almost like a checklist!

What? That is a repost of my list from Post #17?

Kimberly? Why would you repost that without putting it in quotes?

Thanks for the compliment?

[gymbo68]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

That wasn't aimed at you Misty. It was a general statement. People seem to get offended. I don't go around saying ..'WHAT!! you don't use a specialist?". I really don't concern myself what others do with their programs. I have my own to worry about.

Good plan Irene

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

What? That is a repost of my list from Post #17?

Kimberly? Why would you repost that without putting it in quotes?

Thanks for the compliment?

Um, I meant with the descriptions and her experience with each of them... I realize you brought them up first and they were very good points then too--I never said that they were NOT good points, they were , regardless of WHO posted them first.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

What? That is a repost of my list from Post #17?

Kimberly? Why would you repost that without putting it in quotes?

Thanks for the compliment?

EXCUSE ME! you are in bold I am in normal type face giving a simply and clear explaination what is entailed with each from your list.

passing you my glasses!

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I have seen 6 pound females who should not be bred. Why? because they have 2-3 pounds of fat on a 3-4 pound size frame. A good mentor can judge very well, whether or not your bitch should be bred.
How level is the topline? How wide is her pelvis? And we all know about the knees, hips, heart, head and skull, bite,, etc.
I know this will thread will be another one of those that we will have to agree to disagree on and the discussions by experienced, long-time breeders, novices and pet owners who never bred will go on. Because one person uses a RS and most of us do not, will not change. My vet can handle every problem or situation I have with breeding and I will continue to use them. I guess it depends on how much confidence you have in your vet and your vet has in you to make the right choices before breeding your pet or breed-quality bitch..JMHO

Very nice and I think this was just the kind of answers Wendy was looking for

I'd love to see no debating for a change or this thread will get locked - the OP of this thread specifically asked for NO Ranting in her first post.

A simple question was asked and she's getting answers from breeders - why not keep this on topic ?

[yorkiemom1970]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

Good question. I'm also really curious to hear from an actual breeder who used a "reproduction specialists" why they're better then a vet.

I too use a REPRODUCTIVE SPECIALIST. Dr. Emily Roberson. I'll clear this all up real fast like for ya! She is not any smarter/better than any other vet I have ever been too ...although she does deal with pregnancy alot more so than the others in my area. I go to her because she is a fun loving , down to earth girl around my same age and she is 2 MILES FROM MY HOME. Thank you.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I'd love to see no debating for a change or this thread will get locked - the OP of this thread specifically asked for NO Ranting in her first post.

A simple question was asked and she's getting answers from breeders - why not keep this on topic ?

Ha ha ha...good way to get things back on track V! I agree, I think this will only benefit her and everyone else if it says CIVIL! (OK, maybe that's not my best quality... )

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by gymbo68

I think it is important to remember that these type of specialist are not that prevelent in Middle America- so to make that claim "that it is worth the effort and expense if you care about your girl"-- is insulting and should not have been said- it may not be possible for some people....all too often people think that because something is available to them it is everywhere- but I would be hard pressed to find a repo specialist around here....I imagine they exist but if I had a good vet and was comfortable with them, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using them.

Most vet schools have them.

I just know that I would never risk the life of a female yorkie as a first time breeder w/o taking her to a RS for a thorough evaluation. Just as it is my opinion, and yours I think, that is not right to breed a female under 4 lbs and I can say, as you can, that you shouldn't do it if you care about your girl, I can say it is my opinion that "it is worth the effort and the expense to see a RS if you care about your girl". There is no difference in the two.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Most vet schools have them.

I just know that I would never risk the life of a female yorkie as a first time breeder w/o taking her to a RS for a thorough evaluation. Just as it is my opinion, and yours I think, that is not right to breed a female under 4 lbs and I can say, as you can, that you shouldn't do it if you care about your girl, I can say it is my opinion that "it is worth the effort and the expense to see a RS if you care about your girl". There is no difference in the two.

Kim,

I don't think that's a fair. If a vet is not RS, I would feel just as comfortable with them telling me they will contact one if need be.

[gymbo68]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Most vet schools have them.

I just know that I would never risk the life of a female yorkie as a first time breeder w/o taking her to a RS for a thorough evaluation. Just as it is my opinion, and yours I think, that is not right to breed a female under 4 lbs and I can say, as you can, that you shouldn't do it if you care about your girl, I can say it is my opinion that "it is worth the effort and the expense to see a RS if you care about your girl". There is no difference in the two.

My point is there are times when a person may not be able to see one if they are not near one- remember there is a middle America and schools and such may not be realistic for them to get too.....so in that case if they have a vet they trust they may have to go with that-

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Kim,

I don't think that's a fair. If a vet is not RS, I would feel just as comfortable with them telling me they will contact one if need be.

"When need be" is the opertive words~!