Puppy Deposits part 2

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by Athina

Well when the puppies were born and the breeder saw how small they would be she raised the price on my original puppy.

That's wrong!

[Athina]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

That's wrong!

I know it was wrong and even though i got the price of the puppy back to what i was originally going to pay I knew that I would have to deal with that breeder more with getting Ruby's Canadian kennel Club papers, and if any illness showed up with the pup, ect. I knew the breeder was going to be a handful with all of that and I didn't want to deal with that for two Yorkies.
I had already brought Ruby home (and fell in love with her) and took her to the vet right away and she was a healthy girl. As you probably know as a breeder umbilical hernias aren't that big of a deal and Ruby had it fixed when she got spayed. But this breeder wanted to keep Ruby for breeding because she is a gorgeous Yorkie (great lines) but she was to small (that's why I got her when she was 5 months). The breeder was going to breed her with her umbilical hernia if she got bigger It just goes on and on.

[michiko]

Originally Posted by sylvan

I don't take deposits on pups because I am a breeder not a banker. I couldn't possibly decide who gets which pup when they are born and not for many, many weeks after. They are 8 weeks old before I begin personality testing that helps me figure out which pup would suit which situation the best. If I am looking to keep a pup for show potential I could not possibly decide which one when they are tiny. If you want one of my pups, you can hang out on my waiting list until I decide. My waiting list is NOT first come, first serve since I try to match pups and if, when I meet you in person and something doesn't seem right to me...you will not get a pup.
Is this fair?....nope. Do I care?....nope. Do I worry about people getting mad at me?...not even a little. My first obligation is to the well being of my dogs. Does this leave me with available pups not placed until they are older than 12 weeks sometimes? Sure, but so what. Eventually they will go to the very best home that I can choose for them and that's what matters.
I know it's not easy to just hang out on a waiting list (I've done it myself), so I do try to locate other breeder's pups for people all the time.
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I mean everyone knows.. how much I love Stacy (Sylvan). But here I am again. I read her post long time ago explaining about similar thing. I can imagine some people can get upset or frustrated... but to me this is something I felt really good about Stacy. As she said that she would be the one who decided which pup goes to who, and if she even wants to sell her pups to the potential buyer. Then at the same time, postential buyers can also decide if they really want a specific pup or from her. I mean.. Stacy is just so great. So if she says you can have it, you definitely want to have her pup. But I really like her process of finding home for her pups. It really attracted me so much after contacting so many breeders.

I have been thinking about a lot about this whole thing and saying (often) that buying a pup shouldn't be easy thing. It is a committment and 10 or plus year of companionship, so it is important to do a lot of research. Having a good relationship with a breeder is MUST. So.. I really like her policy... she lets us to have chance to get to know her and also for her to get to know us!

Just love it, love it, love it. Just for you to know.. I don't get any commission for saying that! So I really mean it!

[StewiesMom]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Here's another question for you guys. In leu of all of the deposit threads lately, as a breeder, let's say...I took a deposit from you for a pup. As the pup got older, I decided that I didn't want to sell it. If there is no contract signed, is it my right to send you back your deposit and tell you the deal is off?

If a buyer can change their mind about buying the pup, shouldn't I have the right to change my mind about selling it?

Yes, definitely your right! It's your pup! How can anyone argue otherwise??

[crystalsmom]

You are truly a darling young lady and I hope you get the greatest pup in
the whold wide world. You have learned so much and you don't even have
your yorkie but that is really the way to do it. I got to know the breeders
when I went looking for Crystal and when I was finally able to figure out
who the good guys were I really worked hard like you are. My breeder felt
she had someone she could trust and I felt the same about her and we
were both correct. I was reading about you buying a duplex, I think you
said "How Exciting" for you and that boyfriend who seems to adore you.
Best of Luck and keep us posted. p.s. putting a hyper pup with an elderly
person or a very very quiet and shy one with children would be 2 strkes
against the pup and family, right off the bat and I like you have come to
see how important that is for a breeder.

[michiko]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

You are truly a darling young lady and I hope you get the greatest pup in
the whold wide world. You have learned so much and you don't even have
your yorkie but that is really the way to do it. I got to know the breeders
when I went looking for Crystal and when I was finally able to figure out
who the good guys were I really worked hard like you are. My breeder felt
she had someone she could trust and I felt the same about her and we
were both correct. I was reading about you buying a duplex, I think you
said "How Exciting" for you and that boyfriend who seems to adore you.
Best of Luck and keep us posted. p.s. putting a hyper pup with an elderly
person or a very very quiet and shy one with children would be 2 strkes
against the pup and family, right off the bat and I like you have come to
see how important that is for a breeder.

Oh my.. so sweet. Thank you for your kind words. I was just talking to my friend who has a yorkie about different breeders policy. When you want a yorkie, you want a yorkie. It is easy to jump to it.. But it is very important to look at breeders' policy. Good thread!

[whispersmom2]

I have never taken a deposit and I don't advertise or show my puppies til I am ready to place them. So, by word of mouth someone learns about my puppies. Oh, and I have a notice about rescue help etc on Breeders.net. I get a call, I do an interview; I make an appt with the family to come to visit and by that time I have decided which puppy if any I am considering for their home. All household members and other dogs must come for that visit. Dogs vaccine record must be up to date or they aren't even allowed inside-hoomans or critters. Sayonara!
I have made only one exception to this routine and you know who you are. Then, I either tell you that your home is not for my puppy and we part ways. Of course, if I have a bad vibe during the phone interview, I don't even make an appt. I have certain things I listen for on the phone..
I tell people that I deal in cash, discuss my strict contract and we sign 2 copies. They have an agreed upon time to go to the vet for an initial check...they get a slip from my vet also. If We decide that we are a match, I send the buyer either home if they live close or just go away for a few hours to discuss the situation. If they don't want the puppy it is a perfect way to scoot. But, they need to talk freely amongst themselves without worrying about my overhearing their conversation. If all goes well, A very happy family leaves with one lucky puppy and with a sad mom standing at the door waving and hoping she won't cry..

[crystalsmom]

Reni, is your process somewhat like the Bulldog lady, I mentioned?? She went
to their house though but on the day she showed them it was first come
first "get"(not good) and that is something that you don't do. You need to get
the right pup in the right home. Also don't think your good deeds go unnoticed.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I have never taken a deposit and I don't advertise or show my puppies til I am ready to place them. So, by word of mouth someone learns about my puppies. Oh, and I have a notice about rescue help etc on Breeders.net. I get a call, I do an interview; I make an appt with the family to come to visit and by that time I have decided which puppy if any I am considering for their home. All household members and other dogs must come for that visit. Dogs vaccine record must be up to date or they aren't even allowed inside-hoomans or critters. Sayonara!
I have made only one exception to this routine and you know who you are. Then, I either tell you that your home is not for my puppy and we part ways. Of course, if I have a bad vibe during the phone interview, I don't even make an appt. I have certain things I listen for on the phone..
I tell people that I deal in cash, discuss my strict contract and we sign 2 copies. They have an agreed upon time to go to the vet for an initial check...they get a slip from my vet also. If We decide that we are a match, I send the buyer either home if they live close or just go away for a few hours to discuss the situation. If they don't want the puppy it is a perfect way to scoot. But, they need to talk freely amongst themselves without worrying about my overhearing their conversation. If all goes well, A very happy family leaves with one lucky puppy and with a sad mom standing at the door waving and hoping she won't cry..

Most excellent!

[red98vett]

I so agree with Joan and Misty -

Rini - YOU Do not go unnoticed ! Not at ALL...you are one special lady and any one of us would be lucky to deal with YOU.

and to add to this ...I feel the same about Pat - YorkieRose.

[centralnewyorki]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Try to make this the last question....for those of you that feel that a deposit is like an unwritten contract, then if the buyer backs out, should they receive their money back?

I think that by taking a deposit, it's an unwritten contract. That being said, I absolutely think that if a buyer backs out that the breeder keeps the money. I'm not a lawyer or an expert on the law (by any means!), but it is my understanding from the courses I've taken that if the breeder cashes a check or accepts cash from a buyer, that it can be as binding as signing a contract. Now, say a breeder takes my check and tomorrow calls to say that they've changed their mind (and has yet to cash the check), then it's the breeder's right to back out of the agreement since they haven't "formally" accepted. To avoid this, I think a breeder should wait until they are able to fully evaluate a puppy's traits to decide whether or not to sell. The breeders that work hard to match an owner's needs and wants to a puppies characteristics are worth their weight in gold. I would not want to put a deposit on a puppy or litter before birth or at a very young age because a puppy changes so much as it grows and matures- personality-wise and physically. So even if a puppy is your "dream" puppy at 6 weeks, he or she could completely change in their personality at 8 or 10 weeks and not be a good fit for you or your home.

[amyann]

If someone takes a deposit, it is considered a verbal contract between the two parties. If the buyer back out (assuming the puppy is healthy), there should be no refund. Let's think about this, upon receiving a deposit, the puppy would be taken off the market. It’s only fair for the buyer to follow thru.

If the breeder has expressed she/he might not sell a certain puppy and the buyer still want to put down a deposit to save her/his place in the possibility of getting the puppy, the breeder should be free to cancel the deal anytime and just return the deposit. On the other hand, if there is no pre-agreement about uncertainty of a sell, the breeder should not be able to back out without financial loss either – though this is not typically agreed upon.

IMO, what’s fair is fair. A deposit represents a commitment between two parties therefore no one should suffer a lost without proper compensation. If the sell is not guaranteed (for either party), what’s the point of having a deposit?

On the side note, my breeder wouldn’t take a deposit from me because she didn’t want to guarantee the sell (we live in different state). She told me that if she doesn’t feel comfortable with me when we meet in person, she won’t let me have her puppy. Mind you that she drove 5 hours to meet me half way (after many phone conversations) without making a commitment but listed her puppy as “sold” with my name next to my puppy’s photo on her website days before our meeting (as soon as we set the date). She really has her puppy’s best interests in heart as the breeder members here on YT .

Sorry for the long post. I didn’t mean to write a book.

[crystalsmom]

Originally Posted by amyann

If someone takes a deposit, it is considered a verbal contract between the two parties. If the buyer back out (assuming the puppy is healthy), there should be no refund. Let's think about this, upon receiving a deposit, the puppy would be taken off the market. It’s only fair for the buyer to follow thru.

If the breeder has expressed she/he might not sell a certain puppy and the buyer still want to put down a deposit to save her/his place in the possibility of getting the puppy, the breeder should be free to cancel the deal anytime and just return the deposit. On the other hand, if there is no pre-agreement about uncertainty of a sell, the breeder should not be able to back out without financial loss either – though this is not typically agreed upon.

IMO, what’s fair is fair. A deposit represents a commitment between two parties therefore no one should suffer a lost without proper compensation. If the sell is not guaranteed (for either party), what’s the point of having a deposit?

On the side note, my breeder wouldn’t take a deposit from me because she didn’t want to guarantee the sell (we live in different state). She told me that if she doesn’t feel comfortable with me when we meet in person, she won’t let me have her puppy. Mind you that she drove 5 hours to meet me half way (after many phone conversations) without making a commitment but listed her puppy as “sold” with my name next to my puppy’s photo on her website days before our meeting (as soon as we set the date). She really has her puppy’s best interests in heart as the breeder members here on YT .

Sorry for the long post. I didn’t mean to write a book.

I sure wish it was that way and I can honestly say a handshake used to mean something in my day but not anymore. Everything has to be in writing. If you were to take the fact that you were out $400 to small claims court do you think they would give you the time of day without a receipt stating the conditions. I don't think so but
correct me if I'm wrong.

[amyann]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

I sure wish it was that way and I can honestly say a handshake used to mean something in my day but not anymore. Everything has to be in writing. If you were to take the fact that you were out $400 to small claims court do you think they would give you the time of day without a receipt stating the conditions. I don't think so but
correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeh, I know. Too bad it doesn't work that way any more and it seems everything needs to be in writing these days. How sad ...........
A handshake still mean something to me though and to some of the people I know ...........

[char7]

Scenario: You as the breeder talk to a potential buyer. They meet with you, pick out the puppy they want and give you $100.00 cash as a deposit to hold the chosen puppy.(puppy is ready to go but they are not ready to take the puppy immediately) You write them a receipt that says that their deposit is non-refundable and the puppy must be picked up by XXX date. But, you don't have a copy of the receipt that you gave them. They don't show up for the puppy by the XXX date and you can't find them and they make no attempt to contact you. How long do you wait before you put the puppy back up for sale? Can they come back and want their $100.00?