|
Welcome to the YorkieTalk.com Forums Community - the community for Yorkshire Terriers. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. You will be able to chat with over 35,000 YorkieTalk members, read over 2,000,000 posted discussions, and view more than 15,000 Yorkie photos in the YorkieTalk Photo Gallery after you register. We would love to have you as a member! Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please click here to contact us. |
|
| LinkBack | Thread Tools |
11-20-2014, 11:34 AM | #1 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Another eye opening article Breeders! FUTURE OF THE PUREBRED DOG | TheDogPlace.org Please read the attached. There is right now a battle going on behind the lines of course at our Canadian Kennel Club Registry. Imagine my surprise that in 2008 the CKC somehow got control of the standards, I have been in the dark and really thought that the National clubs had control - well we do not. There are now *not really new regulations called ROEs', Rules of Eligibility which have existed in the Animal Pedigree Act since its inception, how-ever a bureaucract at the APA decided that they needed to be expanded and unless the CKC kowtows, no new breeds will be able to be registered. We have a full club vote on this for the *seven pilot project breeds*, as well as a member bylaw amendment to change the control of the standard back to the National clubs. We are very cognizant that if those bylaw amendments do not pass that the CKC will be put in a difficult position with the APA. I want you to remember that the AKC and the CKC are *merely* dog registries, that perform a very important task of the keeping of the stud book, and the issuance of pedigrees. They were never incorporated to make breeding decisions for each breed of dog that they register, nor were they charged by THEIR MEMBERS to change a simple registry into a much more select registry of a breeding dog population, that met a minimal ROE. That is another topic that I posted that provides links and explains the dilemma we face as purebred breeders, at least in Canada. As purebred breeders, we do need to try to keep current on what is going on North and South of our borders respectively. And of course I now read this article about the AKC. If only we as AKC and or CKC breeders would be able to organize to create a new registry for North America for purebred dogs!! Get away enmasse from CKC and AKC, and do everything that is right for our purebred dogs! Do I agree with everything written in that article, well no, but in main, the essence of it, I sure as heck do.
__________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018 |
Welcome Guest! | |
11-22-2014, 08:12 AM | #2 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England
Posts: 819
| Interesting, I guess, but the national clubs this side of the Atlantic can hardly control themselves, are not progressive and forward thinking, dug into a past that's gone forever. At least the registries are trying to do something to keep people interested in dogs.
__________________ www.cloverhillyorkies.com |
11-22-2014, 09:58 AM | #3 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | I had not realized the demand for dogs has dropped! The ownership numbers seem to actually have increased according to the APPA - American Pet Products Association - I tend to believe their stats as they have a vested interest in getting their numbers correct, for their members. And as every 2 year survey to purchase is over $3,000, the pet retailers would not invest in that if those surveys were widely in-accurate. It seems ridiculously hard to get good data on country wide ownership of dogs n cats other than from business economic sources. But most sources I have seen put the % of pet ownership at 10-15%. And I think realtively stable % over the past 10yrs or so. In terms of purebred dogs, I do believe that the past is an honored part of our future. Unlike the author of the article, I believe more not less genetic testing is needed, and also a process to open the stud book, should there be an overwhelming need to do so. By this I mean something like what was done with the Dalmations who had an almost 100% population of breeding dogs that were either carriers or affected by hyperuricosuria. In ten years those dedicated breeders were able to turn that around - but it did mean a judicial out-crossing for a time. Pedigree horizontal and vertical information is so important when you couple that with genetic testing and DNA analysis. A recessive gene might take 50 years of breeding of that breed to begin to rise to the surface. Hence the value of genetic tests. And the incredible value of health registries where results are posted by all breeders. National Clubs are run by volunteers with all the attendant difficulty that ensues with that. Should National Clubs try to be what shall I say more *inclusive* perhaps, but where and how, should the evolution of a standard be a matter of a democratic vote by all members despite what their knowledge base might be, or their personal vested interest in moving the standard one way or the other? National Clubs like anyother Association were developed, run, and set-up by like-minded people, and by their very nature tend to be *exclusive*. Don't join us if you don';t believe in what we stand for, what our interests are, etc. If you want to join then as a condition of your membership you need to abide by the ethics and principles that have been established. For me those questions I still search for complete answers to. I know what my hobby horse is with the breeds I own and breed. I know where my biases lie. Quite simply health, temperament, and fitness to function and do what the breed was intended to do! All this wrapped with-in typiness, adherence to standards, etc.
__________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018 |
11-22-2014, 12:53 PM | #4 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England
Posts: 819
| the underwhelming response to this thread should be telling us something!
__________________ www.cloverhillyorkies.com |
11-22-2014, 01:00 PM | #5 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | LOL for sure, like many of the other news, articles and so on, set here in the Breeders forum. Just about any topic shows a dearth of responses, I can only assume a reluctance to respond from the breeders who may or may not still be here. Where that reluctance stems from who knows, your guess is as good as mine.
__________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018 |
11-22-2014, 02:13 PM | #6 |
YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: King County, WA
Posts: 3,817
| FUTURE OF THE PUREBRED DOG | TheDogPlace.org I took a quick glance/scan of your article.... I pretty much stopped when I hit the part about AKCs eventual requirement to parent clubs for an un cropped/docked description for a breed standard. We are all aware of more and more political correctness encroaching on what was once our own beliefs. In example, for generations of people here in the US we were taught Columbus discovered America, we accepted it and celebrated it. Now, Columbus is vilified and continually debunked as the guy who discovered America. A belief that generations of Americans had, a good belief, is now made bad or soured by current PC standards and it is shoved with no lubrication down our throats. PC is requiring change to your breed standards... that's what it looks like to me. It appears AKC is just setting the ground work for, preparing for, the eventual and unstoppable legislation that will stop cropping/docking. I have no skin in that game, just looking at it from an outsider's perspective on what you presented. Whether it's CKC or AKC, it appears they are trying to prepare the breeders and clubs for what will happen. It's not if, only when. Cropping and docking eventually will go away due to Federal laws. AKC/CKC are not forcing the change, only anticipating and preparing everyone for it. IMO |
11-22-2014, 02:34 PM | #7 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Well you are correct, political correctness is ruling the day, and just *who* rules and more insidiously shapes political correctness, in the realm of purebred dogs? Will it one day be, that the public will state, that no dogs should be bred over 40 lbs, or not of this color or that color? Like it or not, dogs were selectively bred, for many characteristics, and yes at the *whim* or desire of humans. It is why we have the purebreds that we have today. I personally want to do all I can to safeguard the purebred from P,C. BS, and this invidious Designer Dog encroachment. Crop and Dock Legislation is real and obviously here to stay for probably the long term, sadly, imo. What is next? And just whom is setting the agenda? BSL has been shown not to be effective at all, and yet still municipalities are toying with the idea.....
__________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018 |
11-22-2014, 03:57 PM | #8 | |
YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: King County, WA
Posts: 3,817
| Quote:
I'd have to at least google different facets of the situation to get a better understanding of "WHO". Public opinion is being formed by very small groups of people today. Social media, internet.... influences the nightly news in a huge way now. example: WA and CO legalized dope smoking, does that mean that half of WA voters smoke dope? No, it doesn't. It means the dope smokers, a very small group, and the ones who anticipate making money from dope smokers convinced the voters to vote in favor of it. This occurred at the same time or shortly after cigarette smokers have been ostracized for their oral or inhalation preferences. That...just doesn't make any sense to me as the 2 issues, cigarettes and dope, are connected.. They burn it, inhale it, it's going to cause problems in some people. One is frowned upon, one is praised in some instances by the same person. | |
11-24-2014, 08:46 AM | #9 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: richlands n.c America
Posts: 5
| I am right I line with your description of the p.c. forcing unwanted rules and behavior on breeders. But since I don't use AKC as my registry when I can help it. I didn't get much past the natural ears on Dobermans either . |
Bookmarks |
|
|
| |
|
|
SHOP NOW: Amazon :: eBay :: Buy.com :: Newegg :: PetStore :: Petco :: PetSmart