Puppies of a 'misalliance'

[lynzy420]

OP welcome to YT we are highly diverse in our opinions and beliefs, but we all love Yorkies, Yorkie mixes and dogs in general. Even though most/but not all of us, are not to happy with what's happened to your pup and the circumstances...it's because we genuinely care about your pup and really that's why we are here, if you read and read some more you will see why, more importantly I urge you to stick around because you can and will learn so much, armed with this info you will be better prepared to help your pup through whatever you choose to do. Also, ask questions you have because at the end of the day most people here really do want what's best for your pup...good luck.

[matese]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Before "professional breeders" devote years and years of studying pedigrees and lines of dogs, and learning what lines will work well with each other to produce puppies that exemplfy the breed of dog they are devoted to preserving, as well as all the genetic issues that can be brought into play when such careful and thoughtful planning goes into breeding two dogs, the last thing we ask ourselves is, "Will this litter that is PLANNED so carefully and lovingly, be worth the life of my bitch?", because it could easily cost her that. An emergency spay to terminate this unplanned litter, would have certainly been the best choice for your Yorkie, but I can see from your post your feelings definately are with the puppies and not the best interest or safety of the momma....."unusual hybrids are quite popular.....the breed is supposedly valuable.....". I will pray for your unfortunate little Yorkie, that she survives this "misalliance", and that the babies that are being produced will at the very least, be healthy and survive the whelp. "Yorkies for Dummies" is an excellent book that is required reading for Yorkie owners. Far above the excitment of all the cute and wonderful goodies available for puppies, you should be preparing YOURSELF with a solid, working knowledge base about what is about to happen to your momma, her babies, and what YOUR responsibilities are going to be in this misadventure. The very first thing you need to know, is when a female is in heat. That happens about every 6 months, starting at age 6-8 months. Please educate yourself, as I suspect you have planned to become a "breeder", and because you got your intact female before you educated yourself in the minimum required principles and ethics of breeding, and she quickly got ahead of your learning curve, you and she and a litter of unplanned babies are now actually facing a very risky and unknown future. Learning very hard lessons, often heartbreaking lessons, is part of building a solid foundation for any person's development in their choice of adventures. For ethical breeders, breeders with integrity and accountability, and responsibility for what they are producing, we MUST remember to do NO harm first, and that it all about the puppies we are choosing to produce, puppies that should be representative of the breed we are breeding. Mother Nature will take care of producing all the unfortunate "misalliances", and they will hopefully end up with loving families and not in pounds and rescues or dying on the highways, starving in ditches in the cold and rain.....THAT is Mother Nature's way.....professional breeders have to possess the direction, the CONTROL, the love and devotion to their breed of choice, to make certain that every puppy they produce has a future, and is a template for the breed standard of the breed they are. As a responsible, ethical breeder, knowing the consequences of unplanned breedings on the bitch as well as the litter, is the guiding force that makes decisions about what we must do with our breeders.....terminating unplanned and unresearched hook ups with strange dogs of different breeds or pedigrees, is not something that is done lightheartedly, but must be an option for the safety and well being of the bitch that outsmarted her human that is supposed to be in charge and responsible for her well being.

Thank you, well said.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Omg the analogy of the unwed daughter hahaha now honestly that makes no sense, but was funny to read! For the record, my children are highly intelligent one is a lawyer and one is out saving all the dogs and Nonchristians in Turkey...but my wedded brothers offspring own pit bulls, have tattoos and work at wild wings...just sayin

I'm pretty sure my new found birth family must be related expect they don't work....at all and just breed, I say spay and neuter all weird relatives and pets. Oh and possibly get a dental too because they gots some bad teeth in this family of mine.

[matese]

Originally Posted by chachi

Im more concerned for the mother dog since the father is bigger and its confirmed she will have 3-4 pups. I just hope shes able to deliver them safely

my concern as well.

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I'm pretty sure my new found birth family must be related expect they don't work....at all and just breed, I say spay and neuter all weird relatives and pets. Oh and possibly get a dental too because they gots some bad teeth in this family of mine.

Your family is as confusing as mine,...

That family tree doesn't have many branches!!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by gemy

As a Buddhist I understand that you adhere to the principal of do no Harm. Did you actually do NO Harm? Doing no Harm is not easy, but for certain it encompasses keeping safe an intact female dog.

Did you do that? Oh I suppose it is okay to risk and perhaps lose the life of your female, and any live puppies that just might be borne?

Does do no harm encompass passing onto future puppy owners debiliatiting genetic defects that could be present in this Mis-Match?

There is much to consider if indeed you are a Buddhist, including your total responsibility in this situation.

THIS .

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by gemy

As a Buddhist I understand that you adhere to the principal of do no Harm. Did you actually do NO Harm? Doing no Harm is not easy, but for certain it encompasses keeping safe an intact female dog.

Did you do that? Oh I suppose it is okay to risk and perhaps lose the life of your female, and any live puppies that just might be borne?
Does do no harm encompass passing onto future puppy owners debiliatiting genetic defects that could be present in this Mis-Match?

There is much to consider if indeed you are a Buddhist, including your total responsibility in this situation.

Points very well made that people dont often consider.....especially the point about how new owners, who have bought their baby with such excitement and enthusiasm, perhaps at a significant expense, falling in complete and total love with this bright eyed, plaful ball of fur, energy, and devotion.......only to start loosing this darling, slowly and painfully, from some genetic malformation that COULD have possibly been prevented, if wiser decisions had been made by the breeder. Breeders are certainly NOT God or the Creator, and He will very often step into the mix just to let you know that regardless of how careful YOU are, or how much planning or education goes into the mix, He is STILL in charge ultimately......all breeders can actually do is hopefully try to increase the odds of producing happy, healthy puppies, in our favor, in this crap shoot. Thought, careful consideration and responsibility must be assumed by any breeder, but especially one that takes two unknowns, mixes them together, produces a mix of the unknowns.....as cute and adorable as they may be.....having a safe and uneventful whelping is only the beginning. You may avoid the next minefield when these babies are small and healthy and adorable......and then they are sold/placed and sent to new homes and THIS is where all the planning and education and seminars and study and pedigrees and all that boring stuff comes into play. The pain and agony suffered by this precious little soul, as well as the heartache and sense of loss experienced by the new owner, as the pup outgrows what defective organs can handle.....no more fun and games and gleeful wild abandonment with the results of this crap shoot......and if the new owners can not financially assume the expense of trying to save this baby, motivated out of such love and compassion for this innocent little baby, what happens to this bundle of innocent love then???....something every breeder must give serious thought to. This disaster and heartache is YOUR doing, brought on by all the decisions YOU made regarding this litter, from conception to this point in that babys life. If you do not believe in terminating a breeding that could produce much heartache and suffering, then do NOT let your bitch get into that circumstance in the first place. Spay her before this harm is done.

[OwnedByJezebel]

I'm very concerned about poor Lola. The male was so much larger and she is so young. At only a year old, she's not full grown. Can her body even handle this? It's comparable to a pregnant 10 year old human. I hope she survives this ordeal.

When it comes to "do no harm," doesn't Lola count?

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

I'm very concerned about poor Lola. The male was so much larger and she is so young. At only a year old, she's not full grown. Can her body even handle this? It's comparable to a pregnant 10 year old human. I hope she survives this ordeal.

When it comes to "do no harm," doesn't Lola count?

I am also concerned about Lola.....unfortunately, she is in harms way and that is apparently not a concern because of an aversion to terminating emergently this misalliance in order to protect the momma ....I know NOTHING but what I have read about the sire's breed...
........"Happy, alert, watchful and buoyant, German Spitzes make good watchdogs. They are excellent jumpers and love to stand on their hind legs. They enjoy a lot of human attention, and are very happy to please. Teach this dog early that it may bark a couple of times when the doorbell rings or when there are visitors, but then to keep quiet. Be very consistent about this. They are alert, curious and very busy. They must be taught that the owner is the boss, or they will not listen. This breed may become too demanding if the owner allows it. If you do not show this dog all humans are pack leader to him, he will not be trustworthy with children. They may become nervous and snappish toward them. However, they can get along well with children so long as the child is taught how to demonstrate leadership skills. It is a good companion for an elderly person. Without a stern, confident, consistent pack leader, they will be feisty, willful, bold, temperamental, and will not be easy to obedience train. When trained properly they make good companions. Along with being a strong pack leader, socialize well to avoid them from becoming reserved and barking at strangers, other dogs and animals, which may lead to dog aggressiveness. They are very beautiful and elegant in the show ring. The best way to reinforce your pack leader status is to take them for daily pack walks. This not only helps the dog see you as the leader, but it releases mental and physical energy, making the dog stable minded, levelheaded and confident that he knows his place in the world.
Weight: Standard 23 - 41 pounds (10.5 - 11.5 kg)
Height: Standard 11.5 - 14 inches (29 - 36 cm"
It was pointed out Lola weighs around 10 lbs.....the size and weight of the German Spitz she has been bred to is CONSIDERABLY larger by breed standard....that could mean in that dogs pedigree, he has some really large dogs, and these puppies could easily be very large. Then there is the personality characteristics of the breed.....personality is also passed along to offspring, and I am not sure the Yorkie personality is going to be a great mix in the scheme of things! Wondering how many of these babies will go to people with children???? All we can do is pray for Lola.....hopefully, these babies will be born without any problems and that the OP will gain enough knowledge about this process, that she will recognize when she is up to her eyeballs in alligators and knows when it is time to seek emergency help!

[connie3dogs]

I am sure the OP has now decided not to become a part of this forum. She wanted some help and support not a virtual verbal bashing. I hope everything goes well for her dam and she has healthy pups.

[Oddsock]

Originally Posted by connie3dogs

I am sure the OP has now decided not to become a part of this forum. She wanted some help and support not a virtual verbal bashing. I hope everything goes well for her dam and she has healthy pups.

Not suprised. Sometimes it's best to keep stum and just help the puppies and mum. Rather than tell a person what you think. The deed is done, the mum is pregnant, condemnation doesn't help anyone. Hope she gets the help she was seeking.

Love your advatar, so cute.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Oddsock

Not suprised. Sometimes it's best to keep stum and just help the puppies and mum. Rather than tell a person what you think. The deed is done, the mum is pregnant, condemnation doesn't help anyone. Hope she gets the help she was seeking.

Love your advatar, so cute.

Sometimes it's also best to not lecture people about how to post.......