New Puppies- Cesarian Delivery

[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by bjh

If you are not comfortable removing dewclaws then it would be best to either skip doing them or let the vet do them. Some of my older yorkies have their front dewclaws and I just keep them trimmed and none have had any problems from them. I just prefer to remove them now.

When I first start raising yorkies I remember having to get up in the middle of the night so often because I would hear a little puppy crying that had got under the bedding and could not find momma. Once I started using the bottomless boxes I did not have that worry. Some mommas like to dig more than others. It sounds like you are keeping a good eye on your momma and her babies.

Thanks! I'd say 'I'll sleep on it', but there's not much of that happening these days.

I will take it into consideration and definitely make a decision by tomorrow.

I do wake up often making sure pups are ok and momma is taking good care of them. I wake up throughout the night and since the pen is right next to my bed, their box is literally next to my head (but on the floor), add to that my heightened state of alert…and yes, I hear every squeak and I wake much more frequent than every 3 hours for feedings. I'm going to be looking for ways to improve the current setup. Thanks for your ideas!

[joyce evans]

Just wanted to drop in and say congrats on the pups. Hope everyone (including you) are doing ok this evening. Hope the pups start depending on mom more so you can get some rest. I went through this with 7 pups back in August (not Yorkies) so I know what you are going through. Sounds like you are getting things under control. Best wishes and post pictures when you can.

[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by joyce evans

Just wanted to drop in and say congrats on the pups. Hope everyone (including you) are doing ok this evening. Hope the pups start depending on mom more so you can get some rest. I went through this with 7 pups back in August (not Yorkies) so I know what you are going through. Sounds like you are getting things under control. Best wishes and post pictures when you can.

Thank you so much!
We are all well. Pups seem to be nursing a little more from mom every time

7 puppies!?!?!?! Wow! I can't even begin to imagine what that's like!
Thanks for stoping by and for the support!

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

If I was in your position, I would start supplemental feeding before the pups get weaker and loose more weight. If they are latching onto momma, they may latch onto a bottle nipple....however you decide to give the feedings, if you do decide to do that, you need to be sure they are getting 1cc of formula per ounce of the pups body weight.

Hi my princess delivered c section also I have a syringe at home instead of cc it is ml which is equivalent. I was wondering I latch on to mom then tube feed she is 4.85oz 41/2 ml is that too much she seems really full? Mom dosent have to much milk yet. My puppy also wants to latch on to vulva. Same as Lola's baby's. Also her mother instincts are not there I have to force her to lye down to feed baby's. She does not clean them or even want to be there with her.

[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

Hi my princess delivered c section also I have a syringe at home instead of cc it is ml which is equivalent. I was wondering I latch on to mom then tube feed she is 4.85oz 41/2 ml is that too much she seems really full? Mom dosent have to much milk yet. My puppy also wants to latch on to vulva. Same as Lola's baby's. Also her mother instincts are not there I have to force her to lye down to feed baby's. She does not clean them or even want to be there with her.

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

Hi my princess delivered c section also I have a syringe at home instead of cc it is ml which is equivalent. I was wondering I latch on to mom then tube feed she is 4.85oz 41/2 ml is that too much she seems really full? Mom dosent have to much milk yet. My puppy also wants to latch on to vulva. Same as Lola's baby's. Also her mother instincts are not there I have to force her to lye down to feed baby's. She does not clean them or even want to be there with her.

Hi! I'm not an expert, but as you might have seen, I've been having my share of challenges this past week and a half, so hopefully I can share something helpful with you.

A cc is the same as a mL and the babies should be getting 1cc or 1 mL per ounce of body weight. If baby is 4.85 oz, then the 4-1/2 mL should be right in line with what she needs. I did, however have the same thing happen, where sometimes the tummies looked too full. Here's what I changed. I made sure the pups were warm before feeding and I tested it by the temp on the tongue although if you're up to doing a rectal temp reading, you can do that as well. Bottom line is, the outside of the pup might feel warm because of other factors, but the internal temp of the pup may not necessarily be warm. I always warmed the milk supplement as well. And, I forced the pups to feed slower as well as stopped them halfway through, 'burped' them a little, then continued. Smaller, more frequent feedings may also help. If you're tube feeding, I'm not exactly sure what adaptation you might be able to make. I was very fortunate that my pups suckled and I just bottle feed.

For the mom, she wasn't feeling quite herself the first couple of days. It took about 3 days before she was acting more like herself. Although she would clean them a little, her milk had not come in and she wasn't quite sure what to do at first. We also sat with her, laid her on her side and pet her until she relaxed, then put the pups on her to suckle. There is a chemical reaction that takes place within the mom. Mom and babies create a positive feedback cycle, where the more they suckle, the more momma's body will respond both in milk production as well as maternal instincts.

Milk production will sometimes require a little more effort. Lola is still not eating a lot of solid food. She will devour chicken, maybe with a little bit of white rice soaked in liver water, but she turns her nose up at anything remotely resembling solid food. We've tried a number of different combinations and it's been very rare that we get her to take more than a few bites, even hand-fed. But we have kept her extremely hydrated. Lola drinks the same super charged formula that the puppies drink, she's also on whelping pudding (recipe is on a sticky int he Breeder Talk section), we supplement her pudding with fenugreek, and she takes calcium tabs and nutrical. We also stopped feeding the pups all the way and left them a little hungry for momma so they will be encouraged to go suckle from her and hopefully stimulate the milk production further.

After a couple of days, we noticed that Lola was getting some milk, the pups were nursing more from her and were turning away from the formula sooner. We weigh them A LOT to monitor weight. We creeped along the first week, but in the past 2 days we've seen a jump in weight gain…not massive, but certainly more than we had been seeing, so we're hopeful that we're about to turn the corner.

I hope this helps and I wish you all the best with your baby girl and pup/s. Please do keep us posted as to what's going on. As I said, I'm no expert, but I'm more than happy to share the little bit I've learned.

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by PamperedYorkies

Hi! I'm not an expert, but as you might have seen, I've been having my share of challenges this past week and a half, so hopefully I can share something helpful with you.

A cc is the same as a mL and the babies should be getting 1cc or 1 mL per ounce of body weight. If baby is 4.85 oz, then the 4-1/2 mL should be right in line with what she needs. I did, however have the same thing happen, where sometimes the tummies looked too full. Here's what I changed. I made sure the pups were warm before feeding and I tested it by the temp on the tongue although if you're up to doing a rectal temp reading, you can do that as well. Bottom line is, the outside of the pup might feel warm because of other factors, but the internal temp of the pup may not necessarily be warm. I always warmed the milk supplement as well. And, I forced the pups to feed slower as well as stopped them halfway through, 'burped' them a little, then continued. Smaller, more frequent feedings may also help. If you're tube feeding, I'm not exactly sure what adaptation you might be able to make. I was very fortunate that my pups suckled and I just bottle feed.

For the mom, she wasn't feeling quite herself the first couple of days. It took about 3 days before she was acting more like herself. Although she would clean them a little, her milk had not come in and she wasn't quite sure what to do at first. We also sat with her, laid her on her side and pet her until she relaxed, then put the pups on her to suckle. There is a chemical reaction that takes place within the mom. Mom and babies create a positive feedback cycle, where the more they suckle, the more momma's body will respond both in milk production as well as maternal instincts.

Milk production will sometimes require a little more effort. Lola is still not eating a lot of solid food. She will devour chicken, maybe with a little bit of white rice soaked in liver water, but she turns her nose up at anything remotely resembling solid food. We've tried a number of different combinations and it's been very rare that we get her to take more than a few bites, even hand-fed. But we have kept her extremely hydrated. Lola drinks the same super charged formula that the puppies drink, she's also on whelping pudding (recipe is on a sticky int he Breeder Talk section), we supplement her pudding with fenugreek, and she takes calcium tabs and nutrical. We also stopped feeding the pups all the way and left them a little hungry for momma so they will be encouraged to go suckle from her and hopefully stimulate the milk production further.

After a couple of days, we noticed that Lola was getting some milk, the pups were nursing more from her and were turning away from the formula sooner. We weigh them A LOT to monitor weight. We creeped along the first week, but in the past 2 days we've seen a jump in weight gain…not massive, but certainly more than we had been seeing, so we're hopeful that we're about to turn the corner.

I hope this helps and I wish you all the best with your baby girl and pup/s. Please do keep us posted as to what's going on. As I said, I'm no expert, but I'm more than happy to share the little bit I've learned.

Thank you so much for writing this does me good reading this.

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by PamperedYorkies

Hi! I'm not an expert, but as you might have seen, I've been having my share of challenges this past week and a half, so hopefully I can share something helpful with you.

A cc is the same as a mL and the babies should be getting 1cc or 1 mL per ounce of body weight. If baby is 4.85 oz, then the 4-1/2 mL should be right in line with what she needs. I did, however have the same thing happen, where sometimes the tummies looked too full. Here's what I changed. I made sure the pups were warm before feeding and I tested it by the temp on the tongue although if you're up to doing a rectal temp reading, you can do that as well. Bottom line is, the outside of the pup might feel warm because of other factors, but the internal temp of the pup may not necessarily be warm. I always warmed the milk supplement as well. And, I forced the pups to feed slower as well as stopped them halfway through, 'burped' them a little, then continued. Smaller, more frequent feedings may also help. If you're tube feeding, I'm not exactly sure what adaptation you might be able to make. I was very fortunate that my pups suckled and I just bottle feed.

For the mom, she wasn't feeling quite herself the first couple of days. It took about 3 days before she was acting more like herself. Although she would clean them a little, her milk had not come in and she wasn't quite sure what to do at first. We also sat with her, laid her on her side and pet her until she relaxed, then put the pups on her to suckle. There is a chemical reaction that takes place within the mom. Mom and babies create a positive feedback cycle, where the more they suckle, the more momma's body will respond both in milk production as well as maternal instincts.

Milk production will sometimes require a little more effort. Lola is still not eating a lot of solid food. She will devour chicken, maybe with a little bit of white rice soaked in liver water, but she turns her nose up at anything remotely resembling solid food. We've tried a number of different combinations and it's been very rare that we get her to take more than a few bites, even hand-fed. But we have kept her extremely hydrated. Lola drinks the same super charged formula that the puppies drink, she's also on whelping pudding (recipe is on a sticky int he Breeder Talk section), we supplement her pudding with fenugreek, and she takes calcium tabs and nutrical. We also stopped feeding the pups all the way and left them a little hungry for momma so they will be encouraged to go suckle from her and hopefully stimulate the milk production further.

After a couple of days, we noticed that Lola was getting some milk, the pups were nursing more from her and were turning away from the formula sooner. We weigh them A LOT to monitor weight. We creeped along the first week, but in the past 2 days we've seen a jump in weight gain…not massive, but certainly more than we had been seeing, so we're hopeful that we're about to turn the corner.

I hope this helps and I wish you all the best with your baby girl and pup/s. Please do keep us posted as to what's going on. As I said, I'm no expert, but I'm more than happy to share the little bit I've learned.

Did Lola have contrations while she was nursing the pup? If so how long did it take to go away.thanks

[kjc]

FYI: If Momma is not cleaning the babies, one must moisten a cotton ball with warm water and mimic momma to stimulate the babies to urinate and poop...

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by kjc

FYI: If Momma is not cleaning the babies, one must moisten a cotton ball with warm water and mimic momma to stimulate the babies to urinate and poop...

Yes I've been doing that since she came home. Mom wants nothing to do with her even snapped at her once. I'm trying but I don't know what else to do

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

Yes I've been doing that since she came home. Mom wants nothing to do with her even snapped at her once. I'm trying but I don't know what else to do

Mom is fresh out of surgery... it may take 2-3 days for her to come around, as she's still hurting from the incision. Is the baby nursing and is Mom producing milk?

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by kjc

Mom is fresh out of surgery... it may take 2-3 days for her to come around, as she's still hurting from the incision. Is the baby nursing and is Mom producing milk?

Yes she is producing enough milk that I have stoped the formula. But I must watch during the whole nursing session. She dirint have milk after surgery I gave her 1 capsule of fenugreek yesterday and one this morning and her milk is in. Thanks god..

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

Yes she is producing enough milk that I have stoped the formula. But I must watch during the whole nursing session. She dirint have milk after surgery I gave her 1 capsule of fenugreek yesterday and one this morning and her milk is in. Thanks god..

Yay!

[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

Did Lola have contrations while she was nursing the pup? If so how long did it take to go away.thanks

No, we didn't experience any contractions.
At least, not that I noticed.

[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by kjc

Mom is fresh out of surgery... it may take 2-3 days for her to come around, as she's still hurting from the incision. Is the baby nursing and is Mom producing milk?

Yes! This is what I saw with Lola too. It wasn't until the third day that she was acting more 'normal'.

[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

Yes she is producing enough milk that I have stoped the formula. But I must watch during the whole nursing session. She dirint have milk after surgery I gave her 1 capsule of fenugreek yesterday and one this morning and her milk is in. Thanks god..

This is awesome! Glad to hear the milk is in!

Lola never snapped at the pups, but she would get up and walk away from them. The one thing we did, again, not sure whether this helped, but we were doing anything and everything we could to improve the situation…we laid out a blanket on the floor, let Lola cuddle with us a little bit so she would get some sense of 'normalcy' (she's a real cuddle bug), pet her and let her stretch out and relax. We had the puppies in a box with a heating pad and a towel, nice and warm and sleeping. When she was relaxed, we brought the puppies to her and we were VERY enthusiastic about everything she did good and let her know it. If she laid there and didn't get up, she got tons of 'good girl Lola', the same if she sniffed the pups…when she gave them a little lick, and finally when we put them to nurse and she wanted to get up, but stayed.

We were blessed not to have an extended period of this and every dog is different, so think of what works for you little girl and see if you can use that to steer her in the right direction. Lola likes to cuddle and loves attention and to please…so we used that.

All the best to you…keep us posted!