Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 4340322)

I have no advice. I am a little surprised at the vets response but I will be praying hard for your little girl. I cannot even imagine how hard this will be on her.

Originally Posted by bryce87i (Post 4339989)

HEY THIS IS THE OP WITH AN UPDATE!
So first I'd like to say wow thank you for the abundance of replies and attention! Due to the large number of replies since my last post, I decided to post my update first and then read them all, so ill get to any questions I might miss in this post shortly.

ANYWAY!
So I went to a doggy gynecologist specialist and got some questions answered as well as some scans done. She said my pup is roughly 5 weeks along, and that an emergency spay would be more dangerous than a csection (if needed) at this point. So we are going to continue with the pregnancy and pray for the best. The scan showed 3 puppies (thank god it wasn't 1-2) and I guess she also said there was a spot where a 4th one was that got absorbed or something like that, which she noted was fairly common with dogs. Due date is between Nov11-Nov13 give or take 2 days, so Nov9-Nov15. We have another appointment on the 6th or 7th to check up things, make a decision, etc.. In the meantime I am making a whelping box for her to get used to just in case. I will keeep you all updated.

Originally Posted by bryce87i (Post 4340159)

OP HERE..
Rhetts & Mimi - I understand where you are coming from, but that's an invalid point if the friends I'm giving puppies to wouldnt have otherwise gotten another dog. The only reason they want one is because of the parents they are coming from. Thus, your point (although a sad fact in some cases) is not true in my case. I am not causing any other dogs to remain homeless or get put down. I think that's a pretty big stretch for you to even suggest me carrying that guilt. But again, I understand that in SOME cases it may be true.

To the rest of you - Yes this was unplanned, and yes she should have been spayed. But let myour te one last time that she is 5-6 weeks along already! We didnt even realize that she may be pregnant until fairly recently (in the last 1-2 weeks). I did exactly what you all suggested and saw a vet (in fact a doggy gyno/pregnancy specialist office) and I asked many questions and we explored all options, and she was very confident in saying that spaying her (at this point) would be more dangerous than continuing the pregnancy. Otherwise I wouldve elected for an emergency spay. Now listen, I appreciate all of your input, and respect your opinions as I know many of you are long-time breeders with lots of experience. I also fully understand there are risks. But AT THIS POINT is it not true that spaying her would be equally as dangerous? I can't help but believe what the specialist told me, however if any of you disagree with her and think she is wrong, please tell me! But also please make sure you understand why she said what she said - my pup is pretty far along, so I can understand where she's coming from. Again, the pregnancy was obviously not planned, yes I should've taken better precaution, yes I wish I had noticed sooner, and yes its an unfortunate circumstance, but at this point and time (5-6 weeks in) is it not true that a spay would be just as dangerous if not more dangerous than continuing the pregnancy with care?

All input and opinions are welcome and appreciated.
But PLEASE, READ my ENTIRE post first. Thanks :)

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4340413)

I am surprised as well in that the OP said it is a specialist. But..hey what do I know?

I would never breed a yorkie. People all have the same story about how their pups are never going to be homeless....I have yet to meet a breeder say there is a risk of his/her pups being homeless. OP you are a breeder now, so this includes you. All I can say to that is that I am never without foster pups and there are sadly so many more yorkies who we are unable to assist....on a daily basis. They ALL came from breeders....you know, the ones whose pups would never end up homeless. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4340555)

There is always a risk in that the pups I have bred, despite stringent contract obligations, might be sent to a shelter without notifying me. So it is all not all one way or one-sided.

I do wonder, how many of the foster pups you get in, you contact their breeders, if that information is available to you when you rescue these pups? Do you even try to search for the breeder of the rescued pup? Look at microchip information that just may have the breeders name as second contact? Do you look up the AKC registered name of the pup, which should have the breeders name on both the sire and the dam?

When a family/person voluntarily surrenders their dog to you at 5 or 7 or 9 years down the road, do you try to find out from the family the breeders name, addy, and phone number? Do you ask that family what their contract provides, if indeed they have one with the breeder?

Just wondering how rescues go about researching the history of the dog they agree to take in.

Originally Posted by bryce87i (Post 4340159)

OP HERE..
Rhetts & Mimi - I understand where you are coming from, but that's an invalid point if the friends I'm giving puppies to wouldnt have otherwise gotten another dog. The only reason they want one is because of the parents they are coming from. Thus, your point (although a sad fact in some cases) is not true in my case. I am not causing any other dogs to remain homeless or get put down. I think that's a pretty big stretch for you to even suggest me carrying that guilt. But again, I understand that in SOME cases it may be true.

To the rest of you - Yes this was unplanned, and yes she should have been spayed. But let myour te one last time that she is 5-6 weeks along already! We didnt even realize that she may be pregnant until fairly recently (in the last 1-2 weeks). I did exactly what you all suggested and saw a vet (in fact a doggy gyno/pregnancy specialist office) and I asked many questions and we explored all options, and she was very confident in saying that spaying her (at this point) would be more dangerous than continuing the pregnancy. Otherwise I wouldve elected for an emergency spay. Now listen, I appreciate all of your input, and respect your opinions as I know many of you are long-time breeders with lots of experience. I also fully understand there are risks. But AT THIS POINT is it not true that spaying her would be equally as dangerous? I can't help but believe what the specialist told me, however if any of you disagree with her and think she is wrong, please tell me! But also please make sure you understand why she said what she said - my pup is pretty far along, so I can understand where she's coming from. Again, the pregnancy was obviously not planned, yes I should've taken better precaution, yes I wish I had noticed sooner, and yes its an unfortunate circumstance, but at this point and time (5-6 weeks in) is it not true that a spay would be just as dangerous if not more dangerous than continuing the pregnancy with care?

All input and opinions are welcome and appreciated.
But PLEASE, READ my ENTIRE post first. Thanks :)

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4340419)

Is this specialist board certified with? Animal Reproduction. American College of Theriogenologists This is the American specialty organization which certifies vets for this specialty.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
I SERIOUSLY doubt the OP's vet consult is actually board certified by these people....the advise given to the OP to allow this female to continue with this pregnancy essentially proves that.

At roughly just past mid point in the pregnancy, I don't truly understand how the e spay would present more dangers than bringing to term 3 pups from un-known heritage.

Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 4342470)

This is the second thread I've read about accidental breedings of girls under 5#. I guess until someone looses their girl no one will understand why posters get upset. Or, until one these posters has to hand feed puppies every 2 hours for a month, because their girl died, are we going to make a connection.

I don't believe that a reproductive vet would agree to continuing the pregnancy. I have known of pregnancies aborted with medication--pups either absorbed or whelped early when their is no chance of whelps surviving.

I hope the op comes back with updates, even if the end result is traumatic. We hope to teach and learn on this forum. I hope someone learns not to let their pups breed unless it is planned, researched, etc.