Burgundy Wee Bloodline

[TxVicki]

Will I think it's nap time !!!

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

At owned by jezebel I dont need you to explain ish to me I know exactly what I MEANT when I typed it even though you obviously do not. How do you know what I MEANT if you didn't ask ME?!?! There we go with those assumptions....

To do determine what one means, all you have to do is read and comprehend the words. I'm simply going by what you said and not putting ANY words in your mouth.

I't called logic. Let's do a little "exercise!"

1. You suggested that others send a pm to the OP if they disagreed with their breeding practices.

True or False?

2. What was your reason for suggesting others go underground with their opinions?

As a reminder, your own words were "at no time should a member new or old feel so uncomfortable that they don't want to post anymore." After further discussion here, do you still feel this way?

3. Ergo, if we are not allowed, in your opinion, to make anyone "feel uncomfortable," then we must bite our tongues and only praise and platitudes are allowed, as we must not make anyone feel uncomfortable.

Heaven help us if we have to tip-toe around and worry about the self-esteem of grown adults. MY words.

If, indeed, you meant differently, then you didn't state your opinion very well. So here is your chance. How have you been misunderstood?

[chachi]

Colesmommy I was the one the one that said there was no hope for her and there isnt, Shes breeding undersized yorkies and shes breeding out of natalies lines who passed pups with AAI on to unsuspecting buyers then did nothing about it, Im amazed anyone would help her

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

Are y'all reading exactly what I type or just picking and choosing specific parts to address? Either way I'm game. I suggested sending a pm so the OP would be more receptive. Based on past threads the way some members handle things has caused people that actually need the help and education to refuse to post or leave the forum all together. Maybe you're okay with that. But i know those same people who left are going to continue doing things that others consider wrong just because of how we approach them. "Hug and pat someone's head" that's laughable. where did I say we had to be all nicey nice?

I am all for politeness and treating others with respect. But back to this OP she came here knowing full well what the line is, she has it all posted on her website. The fact is she knows the line, knows it has some horrible problems in it, and since she has been a "lurker" here for years also knows how we feel about Natalie and her breeding program. The fact is she is breeding the same way Natalie is and using the same lines with issues as Natalie. I for one have no sympathy for either of them. My sympathy lies with all those unsuspecting buyer who are buying into all the heartache these poor little ones will bring with them and for the poor little babe's themselves.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

I am all for politeness and treating others with respect. But back to this OP she came here knowing full well what the line is, she has it all posted on her website. The fact is she knows the line, knows it has some horrible problems in it, and since she has been a "lurker" here for years also knows how we feel about Natalie and her breeding program. The fact is she is breeding the same way Natalie is and using the same lines with issues as Natalie. I for one have no sympathy for either of them. My sympathy lies with all those unsuspecting buyer who are buying into all the heartache these poor little ones will bring with them and for the poor little babe's themselves.

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

Hmmmmm I don't like your insinuations. Yes I am looking for a puppy in the future and yes I did ask her about her breeding program because I am interested in learning about the breeding of the dog breeds I prefer. Oh and before you assume this: I do not want to be a breeder. How it's done, why did a breeder start, how do you determine what is a good example of a breed, etc is all of interest to me. Just because I look at sonething or ask questions about it doesn't mean I agree with it or am going to endorse/buy it. It means I'm interested in the subject. If I go to a car dealership for Volvo does that mean I'm going to buy a Volvo? No, it means I'm interested in buying a car and I'm researching my options. Since you say my analogy didn't make any sense here you go: " You're refusing to give information(you dont know why she was asking for this information do you? Did she tell you herself? Maybe she's having problems with this line and wants.to know if others have too and came here for help that is partly what this forum is for right?) to someone who asked for it because of a preconceived notion you have for them or someone associated with them. By denying them this helpful information they will be unable to fully understand the damage they have or will have caused. How's that? As for not being your "fellow man" (did I name you specifically?)you proved my point. Unless some humans have taken a trip up the evolutionary chain or there's some X Men/Spider-Man stuff going on we're the same species. And where did I say people can't post their opinions? Looking....looking...looking...I don't see it.

Just wondering if you were researching that Volvo and you went to an online forum and read people were making complaints about a car dealership that sold defective cars would you defend their practice as much as you are defending this breeder? If a person goes into business they should know their business. If they know they are selling a defective car that the consumer is going to have pay for a lot of repairs is that not fraud. Would you not want the people on the forum to publicly state that what this person is selling is defective.And we are not talking about inanimate objects like cars we are talking about innocent dogs who feel the pain that is a direct result of poor breeding practices. Adding insult to injury the emotional cost on top of the financial cost are devastating for the person who loves their dog and is financially digging themselves into a hole attempting to save the life of the companion. I know this personally as I learned the hard way and spent over $7,000.00 the first year on a poorly breed Yorkie, and luckily that was just kennel cough/pneumonia, giardia, coccidia, arthritis, and LP nothing as devastating as AAI. I wish I had know about YT and had access to the advice here. Any many of the genetic defects in this line seem to be fatal, shame on any breeder who knowingly continues to breed these faults.
I am in my 50's life has taught me a lot of lessons. I say in my 20's I knew all the answers now I am not even sure what are the right questions. Life is a learning process we learn by research and discussion not by hiding behind PM's

[nanahas3]

Very well said Carolyn.

[impish]

:thum bup:

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Just wondering if you were researching that Volvo and you went to an online forum and read people were making complaints about a car dealership that sold defective cars would you defend their practice as much as you are defending this breeder? If a person goes into business they should know their business. If they know they are selling a defective car that the consumer is going to have pay for a lot of repairs is that not fraud. Would you not want the people on the forum to publicly state that what this person is selling is defective.And we are not talking about inanimate objects like cars we are talking about innocent dogs who feel the pain that is a direct result of poor breeding practices. Adding insult to injury the emotional cost on top of the financial cost are devastating for the person who loves their dog and is financially digging themselves into a hole attempting to save the life of the companion. I know this personally as I learned the hard way and spent over $7,000.00 the first year on a poorly breed Yorkie, and luckily that was just kennel cough/pneumonia, giardia, coccidia, arthritis, and LP nothing as devastating as AAI. I wish I had know about YT and had access to the advice here. Any many of the genetic defects in this line seem to be fatal, shame on any breeder who knowingly continues to breed these faults.
I am in my 50's life has taught me a lot of lessons. I say in my 20's I knew all the answers now I am not even sure what are the right questions. Life is a learning process we learn by research and discussion not by hiding behind PM's

[theporkieyorkie]

Personally, I don't think it matters how people said things...Either way,I don't think it's going to make one bit of difference in the way the OP conducts her breeding business. She says she's not new to YT or to breeding so I am pretty sure she is already aware of the things people are pointing out to her.


I, for one, am glad that people responded on the open board instead of in a PM....because while it may not change the way the OP conducts her business, it may actually have an impact on someone who's thinking about buying a dog from the OP or the Burgundy Wee line. If people commented on her breeding practices via pm, it's not in public forum where the potential buyers who can and will actually benefit from this thread, can read it.

It's virtually impossible to stop bad/irresponsible breeding practices, but if buyers are educated and stop buying from the bad breeders, eventually they won't be able to make money off puppies.

ColesMommy01, I do understand what you are saying about running people off by attacking them when they post...but in this case, I also feel like the OP should know better than to do some of the things she is doing. If she was brand new and had no idea what she was doing, and was asking for information....it may be a different story....but even then, there's a part of me that also believes that ignorance is no excuse when you've decided that you are ENTITLED to play God with other living being's lives. Most people come here after the fact...after they've bred their dogs JUST because "they can"...and then they want to know the things they should have already known. It's no fair to the dog being bred....it's no fair to the future owners...it's no fair to all the dogs suffering in shelters due to overpopulation. While I've only been here a short time...whether things have been said nicely or not...NOT ONCE, have I seen someone say "you know what, I am going to do what's right and terminate the pregnancy and spay my dog. Not once, has any of them said "boy, after learning all this, I don't think I am going to breed my dog." or "Geesh, I sure feel bad that I put my dog through this unnecessary risk and I'll never do it again." Nope....they think because they've got an intact dog, they've got the "RIGHT" to breed it and they do. Heck, that's like saying ANY women who has intact ovaries should be able to have kids, because she can regardless of her situation!!

What I have seen is people coming here to learn who good breeders are...and what to look for in good/bad breeders. I've seen people trying to educate themselves before they buy a puppy or sometimes after they've got burned by a bad breeder.

[amyazer]

In chloesmommy's defense I dont think she ment anything about the subject at hand. Some people on here have been here for a while and they r passionate about things like bad breeders n saving a pups (or seniors life) and thats great! However people like me n chloesmom r younger n possibly have diff outlooks on the whole thing. We r both learning and although we may or may not ever get there i think we all have good intentions. Even though it seems like this women is just in it for the money shes still human capable of maybe love lol anyway people always need away to survive and at the end of the day this is what people in this world do try to find a way to survive (im not condoning what shes doing im just trying to be logical)...anyways I dont think anyone on here that actually stayed on yorkie talk has bad motives toward thier own pup so none of us here are the enimies so we should all live in harmony n agree to disagree (not about breeding teacups just about how to talk to one another)sorry I ramble

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

Ahhhh here we go so since the OP is gone is it "tackle Colesmommy turn"? If so ladies I've dealt with beauty queens and mother in laws way nastier than any of you could get do let's go

This is actually funny... sounds like something my daughter would say, the only thing missing is the nah, nah, nah, nah......hahahaha

I'm guessing your between 19-25 years old, there is still hope that you one day "get it" about these topics.

May I suggest to you that you tour a puppymill, A licensed one? or really devote an hour of your time doing nothing else but browsing websites about it? If your interested let me know I will offer up some sites to visit.

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by amyazer

In chloesmommy's defense I dont think she ment anything about the subject at hand. Some people on here have been here for a while and they r passionate about things like bad breeders n saving a pups (or seniors life) and thats great! However people like me n chloesmom r younger n possibly have diff outlooks on the whole thing. We r both learning and although we may or may not ever get there i think we all have good intentions. Even though it seems like this women is just in it for the money shes still human capable of maybe love lol anyway people always need away to survive and at the end of the day this is what people in this world do try to find a way to survive (im not condoning what shes doing im just trying to be logical)...anyways I dont think anyone on here that actually stayed on yorkie talk has bad motives toward thier own pup so none of us here are the enimies so we should all live in harmony n agree to disagree (not about breeding teacups just about how to talk to one another)sorry I ramble

Lmao, you're all over the place aren't you?
Making $ off the backs of helpless pups, let them do all the work, producing puppies, giving birth to puppies, nurse the puppies, just to have them taken away 8 weeks old. NOT doing it right is the major problem. Using 3# females, too small to breed, just to produce small 'teacup' puppies is the problem. Health takes a back seat, they strive for the LOOK & SIZE, no ethics, no morals.
I have NO sympathy or compassion for people like this, they're the VILE ones. They say they love their pups & raise them in the home like family, but they have no thoughts on putting the pup's health 1st & foremost which is what it should be. Their main goal is to breed tiny teeny weeny micro pocket purse puppies, period.

[amyazer]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Lmao, you're all over the place aren't you?
Making $ off the backs of helpless pups, let them do all the work, producing puppies, giving birth to puppies, nurse the puppies, just to have them taken away 8 weeks old. NOT doing it right is the major problem. Using 3# females, too small to breed, just to produce small 'teacup' puppies is the problem. Health takes a back seat, they strive for the LOOK & SIZE, no ethics, no morals.
I have NO sympathy or compassion for people like this, they're the VILE ones. They say they love their pups & raise them in the home like family, but they have no thoughts on putting the pup's health 1st & foremost which is what it should be. Their main goal is to breed tiny teeny weeny micro pocket purse puppies, period.

Thats where I agree with you im not arguing that piont im not arguing any point im just talking about how we on this chat talk to each other but then some people are passionate about certain things n it comes off as attacting...

[amyazer]

Not the breeders to other ppl on the chat

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by amyazer

Thats where I agree with you im not arguing that piont im not arguing any point im just talking about how we on this chat talk to each other but then some people are passionate about certain things n it comes off as attacting...

Nobody was attacked, if anything, the OP attacked 1st & her post was deleted...ColesMommy wanted us to PM the OP, why hide behind the scenes? If anything, I would want to know the truth about the 'Burgundy Wee' Line. ColesMommy was too bz monitoring & critiquing everyone else, she was doing exactly what she was telling us not to do...to the posters!